A few shall be left

[VictoryinJesus]

The reality is there is more than one eternal destination.

Matthew 25:46
And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal

Everlasting can be how long it won’t rise up again.

Concerning those who depart for a season…whom you receive not now as a servant (friend of the unrighteous mammon, but above a servant, a brother beloved…)For perhaps he therefore departed for a season, that you should receive him for ever (into enteral habitations); Not now as a servant, but above a servant, a brother beloved, specially to me, but how much more unto you, both in the flesh, and in the Lord? Philemon 1:15-16
He spoke of that one which was unprofitable (in the past) becoming profitable (for ever) …not now as a servant but above a servant, a beloved brother. Where did he go for a season where he was unprofitable?


I also don’t think that there are only a few that find it…was praise but He was speaking in front of those who don’t enter themselves but also prevent those trying to enter in. If any are called “lights” then they are to shine a light on “the way” who said “in My Father’s house are Many rooms, if it was not so I would have told you.” . That men who don’t enter in themselves, and also kept others out who are trying to enter in…it’s (Imo) not applauds for “few find the way”.

Also I can’t understand how you translate it as the few who remain are mortal (even using this as a way to explain a few animals are left) …again to fit in with repopulation.

when if any remain and are left, it’s because and for Christ. You’ve quoted those which are “alive and remain”. Then there are “a few are left”. Who are those who “alive and remain”???

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Yes, I know you believe that. But, you noticeably didn't respond directly to anything I said in my post.

I covered all those questions in past conversations but you don’t accept my answers.

Tell me, do you believe that the bodily resurrection of the dead is what is required for the second death to not have power over someone?

No, but what if someone falls away from the faith before their physical death? They will then be “twice dead” spiritually. It is at that point of the first physical resurrection that death is swallowed up in victory, not before.

Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Yes, at that point in time it is called the first resurrection, not before.

We're talking about "a great multitude" of people here. All gathered to one place? Where would that be and how would everyone fit there? Explain the logistics of this to me.

You are again questioning what is written…
Ephesians 1:10
That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

If you think any of us are afraid to deal with your weak arguments, you need to get off your high horse and think again.

Go ahead and take a stab at it, if you think the words of God I posted are wrong.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I covered all those questions in past conversations but you don’t accept my answers.

Of course I don't accept your answers that I disagree with.

No, but what if someone falls away from the faith before their physical death? They will then be “twice dead” spiritually.

Then they lose their part or share in the first resurrection. Regardless, surely the dead in Christ, whose souls are now in heaven, do not need to be bodily resurrected in order for the second death to not have power over them, right? Yet, Revelation 20:6 says the second death has no power of those who have part in the first resurrection. Since, it's already the case that the second death has no power over them then that tells me that they already have had part in the first resurrection. And, indeed they spiritually had part in Christ's resurrection which scripture teaches was the first resurrection (Acts 26:23, 1 Cor 15:20, Col 1:18, Rev 1:5).

It is at that point of the first physical resurrection that death is swallowed up in victory, not before.

That is referring to physical/bodily death being swallowed up in victory, not the second death. You are taking that out of context. I've noticed that you take a lot of scripture out of context in order to support your premil doctrine.

Yes, at that point in time it is called the first resurrection, not before.

It is referring to those who have had part in the first resurrection. That is those who have spiritually had part in Christ's resurrection. John saw the souls of the dead in Christ living and reigning with Christ. Obviously, they were in heaven since they were physically dead. He never said he saw their resurrected bodies.

You are again questioning what is written…
Ephesians 1:10
That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

No, I am questioning your understanding of what is written. That verse is not talking about everyone being gathered on earth as you imagine. All people will be gathered before Him for judgment when He comes, but that won't take place on earth. John indicated that heaven and earth will flee from His presence before the judgment commences (Revelation 21:11). Heaven and earth will be burned up when He comes (2 Peter 3:10-12). So, this gathering is not going to take place on earth as we know it. That's not even reasonable. How could a number from all parts of the earth as "the sand of the sea" literally surround some location on earth? How would that work exactly? How would they all get there? We're talking about a number of them "as the sand of the sea" all literally traveling to one place on earth? And you thin that makes sense to interpret it literally like that? I sure don't. And Ephesians 1:10 has no relation to Revelation 20:7-9 whatsoever.

Go ahead and take a stab at it, if you think the words of God I posted are wrong.

The words of God are always right. Your interpretations are not. And I already did respond to your post in post #147 in this thread. You linked that thread in a reply to me and I responded to that post with my response to what you said in that thread. I saw no point in addressing it in yet another thread when we can just talk about it here instead.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Also I can’t understand how you translate it as the few who remain are mortal (even using this as a way to explain a few animals are left) …again to fit in with repopulation.

when if any remain and are left, it’s because and for Christ. You’ve quoted those which are “alive and remain”. Then there are “a few are left”. Who are those who “alive and remain”???

Those who are of the first resurrection neither marry, nor are given in marriage because they become like the angels in heaven. (Matthew 22:30) So they are not the ones who are repopulating the earth. God’s saints are removed from the earth until the indignation is past….
Isaiah 26:20
Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.

But a few of the flesh and blood mortals shall be left,
Isaiah 24:6
Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left.

So few that a child could number them…

16 Therefore shall the Lord, the Lord of hosts, send among his fat ones leanness; and under his glory he shall kindle a burning like the burning of a fire.

17 And the light of Israel shall be for a fire, and his Holy One for a flame: and it shall burn and devour his thorns and his briers in one day;

18 And shall consume the glory of his forest, and of his fruitful field, both soul and body: and they shall be as when a standard-bearer fainteth.

19 And the rest of the trees of his forest shall be few, that a child may write them.”

Men left on earth shall be as rare as the finest gold…

9 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.

10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.

11 And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.

12 I will make a man more precious than fine gold; even a man than the golden wedge of Ophir.”

These “few” men that are left shall repopulate the earth during the thousand year reign of Christ on earth.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Those who are of the first resurrection neither marry, nor are given in marriage because they become like the angels in heaven. (Matthew 22:30) So they are not the ones who are repopulating the earth. God’s saints are removed from the earth until the indignation is past….
Isaiah 26:20
Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.

But a few of the flesh and blood mortals shall be left,
Isaiah 24:6
Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left.

So few that a child could number them…

16 Therefore shall the Lord, the Lord of hosts, send among his fat ones leanness; and under his glory he shall kindle a burning like the burning of a fire.

17 And the light of Israel shall be for a fire, and his Holy One for a flame: and it shall burn and devour his thorns and his briers in one day;

18 And shall consume the glory of his forest, and of his fruitful field, both soul and body: and they shall be as when a standard-bearer fainteth.

19 And the rest of the trees of his forest shall be few, that a child may write them.”

Men left on earth shall be as rare as the finest gold…

9 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.

10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.

11 And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.

12 I will make a man more precious than fine gold; even a man than the golden wedge of Ophir.”

These “few” men that are left shall repopulate the earth during the thousand year reign of Christ on earth.

This is just complete nonsense and a case of taking scripture horribly out of context. The few left are believers, not unbelievers. Few are chosen (Matthew 22:14). You don't accept that everything and everyone on the entire earth will be burned up when Jesus returns, but that is what scripture teaches.

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare. 11 Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives 12 as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming. That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat.

Everything (heavens, earth, elements) will be destroyed by fire when He returns. You don't accept that. No mortal can survive what is described there. That is ludicrous.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

No, I am questioning your understanding of what is written. That verse is not talking about everyone being gathered on earth as you imagine.

All who are in Christ on earth are caught up to meet the Lord in the air. They remain in heaven until the indignation is past, then they return to the earth to reign with Christ for a thousand years. Where ever Christ is they are as well.

I saw no point in addressing it in yet another thread when we can just talk about it here instead.

You don’t want to address that thread because you know you are wrong. Before the millennium all the saints are scattered to the 4 corners of heaven and earth. But at the first resurrection of the dead in Christ they are ALL gathered together before the start of the millennium.

That fact destroys the false doctrine of the “Amils”

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

This is just complete nonsense and a case of taking scripture horribly out of context.

You just don’t like the scriptures that prove Amil to be false.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

All who are in Christ on earth are caught up to meet the Lord in the air. They remain in heaven until the indignation is past, then they return to the earth to reign with Christ for a thousand years. Where ever Christ is they are as well.

Nonsense. You are making the text say what you want it to say. No mortal can possibly survive what is described in 2 Peter 3:10-12. Paul said regarding the same event in 1 Thess 5:2 that "they shall not escape" without giving any indication that any of them would escape. How could they when fire will come down on the entire earth?

You don’t want to address that thread because you know you are wrong. Before the millennium all the saints are scattered to the 4 corners of heaven and earth. But at the first resurrection of the dead in Christ they are ALL gathered together before the start of the millennium.

That fact destroys the false doctrine of the “Amils”

I did address it! In post #147 in this thread. Don't try to force me to post on yet another thread when I'm posting on too many already. You are just embarrassed that no one has responded to your thread, so you're desperately trying to get me to post there. LOL. You are so arrogant.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You just don’t like the scriptures that prove Amil to be false.

The scriptures are true, but your interpretations of them are false. Your arguments are incredibly weak. You have nothing else? You expect people to believe that mortals can survive what is described in 2 Peter 3:10-12. LOL. Ridiculous. Only extreme doctrinal bias can lead someone to believe that.

You can't even bother explaining what it is about these supposed mortal unbelieving survivors that will allow them to survive. Why didn't Paul mention them here:

King James Version:

2 Thessalonians 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; 10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

The Stewardofthemystery Premil Nonsense Translation:

2 Thessalonians 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ except for a few whose lives He will inexplicably spare:

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Those who are of the first resurrection neither marry, nor are given in marriage because they become like the angels in heaven. (Matthew 22:30) So they are not the ones who are repopulating the earth. God’s saints are removed from the earth until the indignation is past….

Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
^how are the children born …if repopulation —to bear offspring—comes only by one way?

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
^how are the children born …if repopulation —to bear offspring—comes only by one way?

It’s not the resurrected saints who are having sexual relations and repopulating the earth because they no longer marry nor are given in marriage…

Matthew 22:29-30

King James Version

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29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

If it were the resurrected saints having children outside of marriage that would be considered fornication, which is sin.

So it those “few” mortals that survive the cleansing by fire that are left to repopulate the earth during the thousand years.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

No mortal can possibly survive what is described in 2 Peter 3:10-12.

You are thinking like a unbeliever. God says “a few men” shall be left, and you say “ how can that be?

You are doubting the words of God.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You are thinking like a unbeliever. God says “a few men” shall be left, and you say “ how can that be?

No, I am not. You always resort to lies when you have nothing else to offer. Any honest believer will admit that no mortals can survive what is described in 2 Peter 3:10-12.

I have said several times now that I believe the "few men left" are believers because scripture teaches that there will be those who are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord (1 Thess 4:14-17) and scripture teaches that few are chosen (Matthew 22:14). To me, that fits. I am not saying "how can that be". I'm showing how it can be using scripture.

You can't even explain what it is about these supposed mortal surviving unbelievers that would allow them to survive. Paul taught that Jesus will be taking vengeance "on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ" when He comes, but you say "No, some that don't know God and that don't obey the gospel of Christ will survive" despite Paul giving no indication whatsoever of such a thing. He even pointed out in 1 Thess 5:2-3 that "they shall not escape". But, you say "No, some shall escape". And Peter gave no such indication of any mortal survivors whatsoever, either. But, you don't use scripture to interpret scripture to see who it is actually that will survive. You just interpret Isaiah 24:6 in a certain away and then twist many other scriptures to fit your interpretation of that verse.

You are doubting the words of God.

That's a lie! It shows the insecurity you have in your own view that you have to resort to lying about me like this. I am very confident about what the words of God written in passages like Matthew 24:35-39, Luke 17:26-37, 1 Thess 5:2-3, 2 Thess 1:7-10, 2 Peter 3:10-12 and Revelation 19:17-18 indicate, which is that all unbelievers without exception will be killed when Jesus returns. Otherwise, you are questioning the words of Jesus Himself who said that just as all unbelievers were killed by the flood in Noah's day "so shall also the coming of the Son of man be" (Matthew 24:35-39).

 

[VictoryinJesus]

It’s not the resurrected saints who are having sexual relations and repopulating the earth because they no longer marry nor are given in marriage…

Matthew 22:29-30​

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King James Version​

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29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

If it were the resurrected saints having children outside of marriage that would be considered fornication, which is sin.

So it those “few” mortals that survive the cleansing by fire that are left to repopulate the earth during the thousand years.

Ok. I’m not sure we understand what He meant by neither “marry, nor given marriage.”

There is no need in us trying to change each other’s perspective. To me there is only one reason God will raise up children who are of the day while it is still night…and it’s for His Glory.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Any honest believer will admit that no mortals can survive what is described in 2 Peter 3:10-12.

Then they reject the words of God here….
Isaiah 24:6
Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left.

I have said several times now that I believe the "few men left" are believers

That would contradict many scriptures that say the resurrected saints are “caught up” to meet the Lord in the air.

During the cleansing by fire the saints are not left on earth…

Isaiah 26:20
Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.

Luke 13:23-29

King James Version

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23 Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them,
24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.
25 When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:
26 Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets.
27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.
28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.
29 And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God”

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Then they reject the words of God here….
Isaiah 24:6
Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left.

You're always pitting one scripture against another like you do with Isaiah 65:17-25 and Revelation 21:1-4. You need to reconcile them together instead of making them contradict each other. There is no way in the world that any mortal can survive what is described in 2 Peter 3:10-12. It is utterly ludicrous to suggest such a thing. As Paul said regarding the same event: "they shall not escape" (1 Thess 5:2-3). None of them.

That would contradict many scriptures that say the resurrected saints are “caught up” to meet the Lord in the air.

During the cleansing by fire the saints are not left on earth…

You make so many assumptions about what you read. Where does it indicate they are left on earth? I believe it's saying they are few men left alive and not killed at that point. Those who are alive and remain will not die, but instead will be changed (1 Cor 15:51-52).

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

You're always pitting one scripture against another like you do with Isaiah 65:17-25 and Revelation 21:1-4. You need to reconcile them together instead of making them contradict each other.

Scripture does not contradict scripture, it is YOUR doctrine that contradicts. You need to reconcile why there are people still dying in Isaiah’s new heaven and earth. I already explained that this time period in Isaiah is happened during the millennial reign of Christ on earth, which YOU Amils falsely claim is happening now.

There is no way in the world that any mortal can survive

That is called doubting the scriptures that say there are survivors.

what is described in 2 Peter 3:10-12. It is utterly ludicrous to suggest such a thing.

2 Peter does not specify there are no survivors that is YOUR assumption. You dismiss the other scriptures I posted that prove there are survivors.

You make so many assumptions about what you read. Where does it indicate they are left on earth? I believe it's saying they are few men left alive and not killed at that point.

No I don’t I prove my beliefs BY the words of God that a few men shall be left….

But a few of the flesh and blood mortals shall be left,
Isaiah 24:6
Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left.

So few that a child could number them…

16 Therefore shall the Lord, the Lord of hosts, send among his fat ones leanness; and under his glory he shall kindle a burning like the burning of a fire.

17 And the light of Israel shall be for a fire, and his Holy One for a flame: and it shall burn and devour his thorns and his briers in one day;

18 And shall consume the glory of his forest, and of his fruitful field, both soul and body: and they shall be as when a standard-bearer fainteth.

19 And the rest of the trees of his forest shall be few, that a child may write them.”

Men left on earth shall be as rare as the finest gold…

9 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.

10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.

11 And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.

12 I will make a man more precious than fine gold; even a man than the golden wedge of Ophir.”

Ezekiel 39:2
And I will turn thee back, and leave but the sixth part of thee, and will cause thee to come up from the north parts, and will bring thee upon the mountains of Israel:


These “few” men that are left shall repopulate the earth during the thousand year reign of Christ on earth, which you falsely claim is past.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Scripture does not contradict scripture, it is YOUR doctrine that contradicts.

No, your doctrine forces Isaiah 65:17-25 to contradict 2 Peter 3:13 and Revelation 21:1-4 and Isaiah 24:6 to contradict Matthew 24:35-39, Luke 17:26-37, 1 Thess 5:2-3, 2 Thess 1:7-10, 2 Peter 3:10-12 and Revelation 19:17-18.

You need to reconcile why there are people still dying in Isaiah’s new heaven and earth.

I already have. It's LUDICROUS to think that there would be people dying at that point, but no weeping or crying? LOL!

You don't even care that John says there will be no more death in the new heavens and new earth (Revelation 21:4). You rip passages like Revelation 21:1-4 out of your Bible since it doesn't fit your doctrine.

I already explained that this time period in Isaiah is happened during the millennial reign of Christ on earth, which YOU Amils falsely claim is happening now.

That's ridiculous! John makes it very clear that the ushering in of the new heavens and new earth occurs AFTER the thousand years. Peter has the new heavens and new earth being ushered in at the second coming of Christ (2 Peter 3:10-13). You don't care about all of that because you make scripture say whatever you want it to say.

That is called doubting the scriptures that say there are survivors.

No, it's called accepting the scriptures which say that there are no mortal survivors. There will be immortal survivors. Believers who are alive and remain up to that time will be changed to have immortal bodies at that point. No one else will survive.

2 Peter does not specify there are no survivors that is YOUR assumption. You dismiss the other scriptures I posted that prove there are survivors.

LOL! It's no assumption. It's common sense. A mortal can't survive the entire earth being burned up. Do you claim that not all of the heavens and not all of the elements will be dissolved on the day Christ returns, also? YOU are the one who assumes the survivors are mortal and continue living on after that. You make Paul's claim, in relation to Christ's enemies, that "they shall not escape" the "sudden destruction" by fire that will occur at the time meaningless because you say some WILL escape!

No I don’t I prove my beliefs BY the words of God that a few men shall be left….

But a few of the flesh and blood mortals shall be left,
Isaiah 24:6
Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left.

So few that a child could number them…

16 Therefore shall the Lord, the Lord of hosts, send among his fat ones leanness; and under his glory he shall kindle a burning like the burning of a fire.

17 And the light of Israel shall be for a fire, and his Holy One for a flame: and it shall burn and devour his thorns and his briers in one day;

18 And shall consume the glory of his forest, and of his fruitful field, both soul and body: and they shall be as when a standard-bearer fainteth.

19 And the rest of the trees of his forest shall be few, that a child may write them.”

Men left on earth shall be as rare as the finest gold…

9 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.

10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.

11 And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.

12 I will make a man more precious than fine gold; even a man than the golden wedge of Ophir.”

Ezekiel 39:2
And I will turn thee back, and leave but the sixth part of thee, and will cause thee to come up from the north parts, and will bring thee upon the mountains of Israel:


These “few” men that are left shall repopulate the earth during the thousand year reign of Christ on earth, which you falsely claim is past.

The NT doesn't support your interpretation of the OT prophecies, but you don't even care about that! You do not care that Jesus Himself said that just as all unbelievers were killed by the flood in Noah's day the same will happen on the day He returns (Matthew 24:35-39, Luke 17:26-30).

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

No, your doctrine forces Isaiah 65:17-25 to contradict 2 Peter 3:13

It’s not my doctrine, it is the words of God that I posted…
But a few of the flesh and blood mortals shall be left,
Isaiah 24:6
Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left.

So few that a child could number them…

16 Therefore shall the Lord, the Lord of hosts, send among his fat ones leanness; and under his glory he shall kindle a burning like the burning of a fire.

17 And the light of Israel shall be for a fire, and his Holy One for a flame: and it shall burn and devour his thorns and his briers in one day;

18 And shall consume the glory of his forest, and of his fruitful field, both soul and body: and they shall be as when a standard-bearer fainteth.

19 And the rest of the trees of his forest shall be few, that a child may write them.”

Men left on earth shall be as rare as the finest gold…

9 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.

10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.

11 And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.

12 I will make a man more precious than fine gold; even a man than the golden wedge of Ophir.”

Ezekiel 39:2
And I will turn thee back, and leave but the sixth part of thee, and will cause thee to come up from the north parts, and will bring thee upon the mountains of Israel:


These “few” men that are left shall repopulate the earth during the thousand year reign of Christ on earth, which you falsely claim is past.

It's LUDICROUS to think that there would be people dying at that point,

Again you are calling the words of God LUDICROUS….

Isaiah 65:17-20

King James Version

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17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.
19 And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.
20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.

You don't even care that John says there will be no more death

That’s not talking about the millennial reign, when mortals are still on earth sinning and dying as I posted above.

No, it's called accepting the scriptures which say that there are no mortal survivors.

Again you reject the words of God….
Isaiah 24:6
Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left.

LOL! It's no assumption. It's common sense. A mortal can't survive the entire earth being burned up.

Common sense is how the natural man thinks who does not believe the Testimony of the Spirit.

YOU are the one who assumes the survivors are mortal and continue living on after that.

The armies of Gog and Magog are mortal survivors who come against the camp of the saints in the promised land at the end of the thousand years, which you Amils don’t believe in because you say it is all symbolic. Lol!

The NT doesn't support your interpretation of the OT prophecies, but you don't even care about that!

The scriptures all agree both OT with NT, it is the OT scriptures that I posted that do not agree with the false doctrine of Amil you follow so blindly.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

It’s not my doctrine, it is the words of God that I posted…
But a few of the flesh and blood mortals shall be left,

That's not what it says! That's what you want it to say. But, that contradicts much other scripture that you twist to make it say that you want it to say. The few left that survive His second coming are those Christians who are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord (1 Thess 4:14-17).

Isaiah 24:6
Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left.

So few that a child could number them…

16 Therefore shall the Lord, the Lord of hosts, send among his fat ones leanness; and under his glory he shall kindle a burning like the burning of a fire.

17 And the light of Israel shall be for a fire, and his Holy One for a flame: and it shall burn and devour his thorns and his briers in one day;

18 And shall consume the glory of his forest, and of his fruitful field, both soul and body: and they shall be as when a standard-bearer fainteth.

19 And the rest of the trees of his forest shall be few, that a child may write them.”

Men left on earth shall be as rare as the finest gold…

9 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.

10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.

11 And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.

12 I will make a man more precious than fine gold; even a man than the golden wedge of Ophir.”

Ezekiel 39:2
And I will turn thee back, and leave but the sixth part of thee, and will cause thee to come up from the north parts, and will bring thee upon the mountains of Israel:


These “few” men that are left shall repopulate the earth during the thousand year reign of Christ on earth, which you falsely claim is past.

Again you are calling the words of God LUDICROUS….

You are a liar! I would never call the words of God ludicrous. I call your interpretations of the words of God ludicrous and you know it!

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17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.
19 And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.
20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.


That’s not talking about the millennial reign, when mortals are still on earth sinning and dying as I posted above.

It's talking about the ushering in of the new heavens and new earth just as the passage you quoted does! So, to be consistent, if you see Isaiah saying that there will be death on the new earth then you should believe that John taught the same thing. But, he clearly did not. And neither did Peter unless you think he forgot to indicate that there will also be wickedness on the new earth in 2 Peter 3:13.

Again you reject the words of God….

I NEVER reject the words of God. What is wrong with you? You are an evil liar! I would never tell you that you reject the words of God. Instead, I believe you are misinterpreting some of the words of God even though I know you would never purposely reject the words of God and neither would I.

Isaiah 24:6
Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left.

Common sense is how the natural man thinks who does not believe the Testimony of the Spirit.

There's nothing wrong with using common sense to see that the burning up of the entire earth would include all mortal people. Nowhere are we told to throw common sense and logic completely out the window when interpreting scripture.

The armies of Gog and Magog are mortal survivors who come against the camp of the saints in the promised land at the end of the thousand years, which you Amils don’t believe in because you say it is all symbolic. Lol!

LOL! How in the world do they survive the fire that comes down on the entire earth when Christ returns? Tell me! Stop being a coward! You believe things that you can't even explain. Explain how any mortals can possibly survive fire coming down on the entire earth if you want to be taken seriously.

You apparently think that Paul didn't know what he was talking about or decided to leave out some major details when he wrote things like this:

2 Thessalonians 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, 8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; 10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

Did Paul somehow forget to indicate that some of "them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ" will survive Christ's coming when He comes in flaming fire to take vengeance on unbelievers? What is it about these supposed mortal survivors that will allow them to survive while the rest are killed? Answer the question if you want to be taken seriously.

While you're at it, show me where Peter indicated that fire will not come down on the entire earth when Jesus comes. Do you also claim that not all of the heavens will be dissolved and not all of the elements will be dissolved? How far should we take this when we can just make scripture say whatever we want it to say the way you do?

The scriptures all agree both OT with NT, it is the OT scriptures that I posted that do not agree with the false doctrine of Amil you follow so blindly.

LOL! I'm backing up my view with scripture. Scripture that you either ignore or twist beyond recognition. You undermine Jesus Christ Himself by acting like His current reign as King of kings and Lord of lords means nothing because He's not reigning the way you think He should. May He have mercy on your soul for that.