The Root question of Amillenial vs Premillenial

[David in NJ]

Do you believe in biblical corroboration?

corroboration: evidence which confirms or supports a statement, theory, or finding; confirmation

At first look = ABSOLUTELY

unless you have a different thought on "corroboration" then it's definition

My view is: corroboration within scripture which will/can be seen in nature, historical evidence and world events

 

[WPM]

corroboration: evidence which confirms or supports a statement, theory, or finding; confirmation

At first look = ABSOLUTELY

unless you have a different thought on "corroboration" then it's definition

Ok, so this was why I abandoned Premil in 2000. In my opinion, the major hole in Premil is corroboration - a core aspect of hermeneutics.

The mistake Premils make is to interpret the rest of Scripture by their opinion of one lone highly-symbolic much-debated chapter in Scripture. If I am wrong, please provide me with clear corroboration for these main tenets:

1. What Scripture, if any, do you consider definitely corroborates the Premillennial interpretation of Revelation 20 that there are two distinct physical resurrection days (the first for the righteous, the second for the wicked) separated by a literal 1000 years+?
2. Where in Scripture does it mention "resurrection days" (plural), pertaining to the end?
3. What Scripture (including Revelation 20) do you consider definitely teaches there are two distinct future judgement days (that will see all mankind stand before Christ to give account for their lives) separated by a literal 1000 years+?
4. Where in Scripture does it mention "judgement days" (plural), in regard to the end?
5. What Scripture, if any, do you consider definitely corroborates the Premillennial interpretation of Revelation 20 that Satan will be bound for a time-span of 1000 years after the Second Advent, then released for a "little season" to deceive the nations, and then destroy them?

 

[David in NJ]

Ok, so this was why I abandoned Premil in 2000. In my opinion, the major hole in Premil is corroboration - a core aspect of hermeneutics.

The mistake Premils make is to interpret the rest of Scripture by their opinion of one lone highly-symbolic much-debated chapter in Scripture. If I am wrong, please provide me with clear corroboration for these main tenets:

1. What Scripture, if any, do you consider definitely corroborates the Premillennial interpretation of Revelation 20 that there are two distinct physical resurrection days (the first for the righteous, the second for the wicked) separated by a literal 1000 years+?
2. Where in Scripture does it mention "resurrection days" (plural), pertaining to the end?
3. What Scripture (including Revelation 20) do you consider definitely teaches there are two distinct future judgement days (that will see all mankind stand before Christ to give account for their lives) separated by a literal 1000 years+?
4. Where in Scripture does it mention "judgement days" (plural), in regard to the end?
5. What Scripture, if any, do you consider definitely corroborates the Premillennial interpretation of Revelation 20 that Satan will be bound for a time-span of 1000 years after the Second Advent, then released for a "little season" to deceive the nations, and then destroy them?

Well, first off i have to thank you for such a respectful approach as this.

GENESIS is the Foundation for all scripture that follows.

Child-Like Truth = Matthew 18:1-3

 

[WPM]

Well, first off i have to thank you for such a respectful approach as this.

GENESIS is the Foundation for all scripture that follows.

Child-Like Truth = Matthew 18:1-3

Your welcome.

OK.

 

[David in NJ]

Your welcome.

OK.

We only have two choices:

a.) Matthew 18:1-3

b.) scholarly edumancation = "They stumble, being disobedient to the word"

 

[David in NJ]

Your welcome.

OK.

Did you stumble over post #25 ?

 

[WPM]

We only have two choices:

a.) Matthew 18:1-3

b.) scholarly edumancation = "They stumble, being disobedient to the word"

Can you answer the questions?

 

[David in NJ]

Can you answer the questions?

i did

Genesis is the Foundation for all Truth/Scripture that follows

corroboration: evidence which confirms or supports a statement, theory, or finding; confirmation
At first look = ABSOLUTELY

What corroborating evidence can you point to that annuls Genesis?

 

[David in NJ]

Can you answer the questions?

Do you understand post #28 ?

a.) Yes
b.) No
c.) not sure

 

[WPM]

i did

Genesis is the Foundation for all Truth/Scripture that follows

corroboration: evidence which confirms or supports a statement, theory, or finding; confirmation
At first look = ABSOLUTELY

What corroborating evidence can you point to that annuls Genesis?

Where are all those tenets in Genesis?

 

[David in NJ]

Where are all those tenets in Genesis?

All tenents need not be answered if the first question is answered correctly according to God's word.
For, if the first question is answered incorrectly, then the other questions will falter if not substantiated by the correct answer of #1.

Are the statement(s) above:
a.) True
b.) True in part
c.) false
d.) not sure

 

[David in NJ]

Where are all those tenets in Genesis?

post 31 edited - please review

 

[David in NJ]

Where are all those tenets in Genesis?

You seem like a smart person, but it seems that you are struggling with post #31

 

[WPM]

You seem like a smart person, but it seems that you are struggling with post #31

Your posts are gibberish. I suspect that is deliberate. I also understand why you have not provided any corroboration for Premillennialism. That is because it does not exist. That is why you are ducking around it. It is private interpretation.

 

[Wick Stick]

Therefore anything read into the OT about the church is just that; reading into the scriptures, otherwise knows as eisegesis.

But the New Testament has a bunch of examples of exactly that... was Paul an eisegete? Matthew? Peter?

 

[David in NJ]

Your posts are gibberish. I suspect that is deliberate. I also understand why you have not provided any corroboration for Premillennialism. That is because it does not exist. That is why you are ducking around it. It is private interpretation.

All tenents need not be answered if the first question is answered correctly according to God's word.
For, if the first question is answered incorrectly, then the other questions will falter if not substantiated by the correct answer of #1.

Present my statement(s) above to a true 'intellectual', preferably one who understands logic and see if they think it is gibberish.

Then again, if the intellectual who understands logic does not have the Holy Spirit, then it may come across as 'gibberish' in the same way as this:

Whom will he teach knowledge?
And whom will he make to understand the message?
Those just weaned from milk?
Those just drawn from the breasts?
For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept,
Line upon line, line upon line,
Here a little, there a little.”
For with stammering(gibberish) lips and another tongue
He will speak to this people,
To whom He said, “This is the rest with which
You may cause the weary to rest,”
And, “This is the refreshing”;
Yet they would not hear.

 

[TribulationSigns]

I see that you have refused to read the article. Too bad.

Read & BELIEVE Genesis = 1,000 literal years

Scripture, please?

Read & BELIEVE the Gospel = no pre-trib rapture

Agreed, but Scripture, please?

Read & BELIEVE the Apostles letters = no soul sleep

Scripture, please?

Read & BELIEVE Revelation = no pre-trib rapture, no soul sleep and 1,000 literal years REIGN

Scripture, Scripture, Scripture, please.

 

[David in NJ]

I see that you have refused to read the article. Too bad.





Scripture, please?


Agreed, but Scripture, please?



Scripture, please?



Scripture, Scripture, Scripture, please.

a.) Genesis = How many literal years did Adam live? = Genesis 5:5

b.) Genesis = no-pre trib rapture = Genesis chapters 6 & 7 = Gospel / John 16:33 , Matt chapter 24

c.) Genesis chapters 22-27 = Gospel = Matthew 22:29-32 - 2 Peter 1:14 , philippians 1:19-26 , Rev 6:9-11 , ch7

d.) Genesis = Foundation - Prophets/Gospel/Apostles - Revelation = Capstone

 

[David in NJ]

I see that you have refused to read the article. Too bad.





Scripture, please?


Agreed, but Scripture, please?



Scripture, please?



Scripture, Scripture, Scripture, please.

Post 38 edited

i c that it went above and beyond your grasp

 

[David in NJ]

Good Night