The battle of Gog and Magog does not happen until after the thousand year reign of Christ

[Zao is life]

Yes, YOU have been saying that. Jesus never did.


Doug, do you actually read anything I say? Have you not seen my explanation for my understanding of the word generation? I see it as a type of people, not a time period. Like in 1 Peter 2:9 where Peter used the word generation to refer to a certain type of people (chosen people of God) rather than to a certain period of time.

As for when the word is used for a period of time, how do you think referring to "the baby boomer generation" helps your case that the word refers to the human life span? The baby boomer generation was 19 years in duration (1946 to 1964). You can look that up for yourself and you will see that. Then another generation started. It doesn't refer to the human life span. Look it up for yourself. Your understanding of the word generation is flawed and you are too stubborn to admit it. You could end the discussion right now if you could actually show a definition of the word generation in a dictionary that says it means the human life span. Can you do that, Douggg? I'm sure you can't, so can you admit that?

@Douggg

Douggg,

THE CONTEXT OF THE CURSING OF THE FIG TREE: THE MOSAIC PRIESTHOOD AND MOSAIC LEADERSHIP OF ISRAEL: MATTHEW 21

Matthew 21
45 And when the chief priests and Pharisees heard His parables, they knew that He spoke of them.

THEY WERE ANGRY

15 And when the chief priests and scribes saw the wonderful things which He did, and the children crying in the temple, and saying, Hosanna to the Son of David, they were angry.
23 And when He had come into the temple, the chief priests and the elders of the people came to Him as He was teaching, and said, By what authority do you do these things? And who gave you this authority?

31 Which of the two did the will of his father?

They said to Him, The first. Jesus said to them, Truly I say to you that the tax-collectors and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you.​

39-40 And taking him, they threw him out of the vineyard and killed him. Therefore when the lord of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those vinedressers?

41 They said to Him, Bad men! He will miserably destroy them and will rent out his vineyard to other vinedressers who will give him the fruits in their seasons.
43 Therefore I say to you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you and given to a nation bringing out its fruits.

45 And when the chief priests and Pharisees heard His parables, they knew that He spoke of them.
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19 And seeing a fig tree in the way, He came to it and found nothing on it except leaves only. And He said to it, let no fruit grow on you forever. And immediately the fig tree withered away.

Hebrews 7
12 For the priesthood being changed, there is of necessity a change made in the law also.
13 For He of whom these things are spoken belongs to another tribe, from which no man gave attendance at the altar.
14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Judah, of which tribe Moses spoke nothing concerning priesthood.
15 And it is still far more evident, since there arises a different priest after the likeness of Melchizedek,
16 who is made, not according to the law of a fleshly commandment, but according to the power of an endless life.
17 For He testifies, "You are a priest forever after the order of Melchizedek."

Jesus is a priest forever. The old priesthood has gone forever. The fig tree that was cursed by Jesus will never again bear fruit. It was to do with "Who has the authority?": Jesus? or the priests, the Pharisees and the elders of the people?
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You have misapplied the PARABLE of the cursed fig tree, ignoring the context,

and ignoring the context again a second time, you have misconstrued the analogy of A fig tree showing leaves to mean something that begins with the words "When the Jews begin to.. ".

 

[Douggg]

Yes, YOU have been saying that. Jesus never did.


Doug, do you actually read anything I say? Have you not seen my explanation for my understanding of the word generation? I see it as a type of people, not a time period. Like in 1 Peter 2:9 where Peter used the word generation to refer to a certain type of people (chosen people of God) rather than to a certain period of time.

As for when the word is used for a period of time, how do you think referring to "the baby boomer generation" helps your case that the word refers to the human life span? The baby boomer generation was 19 years in duration (1946 to 1964). You can look that up for yourself and you will see that. Then another generation started. It doesn't refer to the human life span. Look it up for yourself. Your understanding of the word generation is flawed and you are too stubborn to admit it. You could end the discussion right now if you could actually show a definition of the word generation in a dictionary that says it means the human life span. Can you do that, Douggg? I'm sure you can't, so can you admit that?

You did not answer the question.

I am of "the baby boomer generation". How is the meaning of "generation" in that phrase any different from what is meant for generation in "the parable of the fig tree generation" ?

The answer is there is no difference in the meaning of "generation" in each of those phrases. "generation" is talking about a group of people born in a common era.

The parable of the fig tree generation began in 1967, when the Jews re-gained possession of Jerusalem, and the metaphorically fig tree leaves began to bud. The bracket is the year 1967.

That generation will pass 70 years from 1967 in 2037, using King David's Psalms 90:10 of a human being's life expectancy.

I have not changed the definition of a generation as you are falsely accusing me. We are dealing with a parable. What you are trying to distract from is the part of the parable of the fig tree, highlighted in red below.

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You did not answer the question.

LOL!!!! Do you know how many times you haven't answered my questions, Douggg? I've lost count. So....LOL!

I am of "the baby boomer generation". How is the meaning of "generation" in that phrase any different from what is meant for generation in "the parable of the fig tree generation" ?

I don't answer questions that are not even about reality. There is no parable of the fig tree generation.

The answer is there is no difference in the meaning of "generation" in each of those phrases. "generation" is talking about a group of people born in a common era.

That is one definition of the word generation, but not the only one. Why can't you understand that? Also, the "baby boomer generation" lasted from 1946 to 1964, so 19 years. Yet, you try to say that "this generation" is talking about a time period of 70 years. That's complete nonsense. You also try to say that the word generation refers to the human life span, which is false. None of the definitions of the word generation means the human life span. You stubbornly and foolishly refuse to acknowledge that because of your completely dishonest treatment of scripture and your desire to make it say what you want it to say.

The parable of the fig tree generation began in 1967, when the Jews re-gained possession of Jerusalem, and the metaphorically fig tree leaves began to bud. The bracket is the year 1967.

That generation will pass 70 years from 1967 in 2037, using King David's Psalms 90:10 of a human being's life expectancy.

You are the most repetitive robot on this entire forum. No matter how many times I tell you that the word generation does not refer to a human being's life expectancy, you won't acknowledge it. I've asked you to show me a definition of the word generation from a dictionary that says it means a human being's life expectancy and you haven't done it. Which obviously means you can't do it. Yet, you still try to insist that is what the word means. You think you have the authority to create a new definition for the word generation that exists nowhere in any dictionary, but you don't. This is a case of you being deceptive and dishonest with scripture to make it say what you want it to say and that is absolutely shameful.

I have not changed the definition of a generation as you are falsely accusing me.

Yes, you have! If you disagree then just show me a dictionary listing from anywhere on the Internet where I can see that the word can be defined as a human being's life expectancy. Put your money where your mouth is for once, Dougg, and do something to back up your claim. Can you do this or not? Is "a human being's life expectancy" one of the definitions of the word generation or not? You say it is, so prove it! Otherwise, I will have to assume that you are just a liar.

We are dealing with a parable. What you are trying to distract from is the part of the parable of the fig tree, highlighted in red below.

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

I am distracting from NOTHING! You are the one claiming that "this generation" started in 1967 and lasts for 70 years. That can't be true if the word generation does not mean a human being's life expectancy as you are claiming. So, prove that if you want to be taken seriously. Can you do that? If not, then you are just a liar who is lying in order to make scripture say what you want it to say.

So, I'm giving you a chance to back up your claim about what the word generation means. Show me that it means a human being's life expectancy. Psalm 90:10 says nothing about the word generation meaning a human being's life expectancy so you need to come up with something other than that.

 

[TribulationSigns]

You did not answer the question.

I am of "the baby boomer generation". How is the meaning of "generation" in that phrase any different from what is meant for generation in "the parable of the fig tree generation" ?

You don't get it. You are formulating a doctrine based on the mistaken belief that the generation of Matthew 2, mentioned by Christ, refers to the "fig tree generation," when in reality, it refers to the spiritual family or lineage of Satan. This lineage has continued since the time of Cain which also includes the Pharisees, scribes, and all Jews who rejected Christ in the first century! They are considered part of "this generation" because they belong to the same family of Satan, who is responsible for the shedding of the blood of Abel and all saints on Earth. So "this generation" of evil did NOT end with the fall of Babylon, did not end with the death and resurrection of Christ, and will not end with Iranians attacking Israel, but UNTIL ALL THINGS ARE FULFILLED concerning the judgment of the New Testament congregation in the end. Period.

The parable of the fig tree generation began in 1967, when the Jews re-gained possession of Jerusalem, and the metaphorically fig tree leaves began to bud.

Christ did not say that. That is man-made speculation. JErsualem in the Middle East never was a New Testament representative of God's Kingdom since she lost her representation at the Cross. Never again.

That generation will pass 70 years from 1967 in 2037, using King David's Psalms 90:10 of a human being's life expectancy.

Sigh!!! More false interpretations like many false prophets concerning national Israel before you.

I have not changed the definition of a generation as you are falsely accusing me.

Yes, you did. You simply tried to merge the generation with "fig tree and all other trees," when Christ does not say this.

We are dealing with a parable.

Parable about the fig tree and all other trees. Not generation.

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

No, read the context and note the colors:
Mat 24:32-35
(32) Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
(33) So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
(34) Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
(35) Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

Read the context of Matthew 24 carefully... It is for our answer of HOW to underatndd that generation that should not pass. For starters, Christ is warning the disciples (and all of us as Church) about the enemies of Christ (and particularly, those who call themselves of Christ), and HOW they will thrive deceitfully as wolves in sheep's clothing, as false prophets and false christs, with all lying signs and machinations! Christ was talking about DECEPTION which is so clever and convincing that it could deceive even the elect (chosen) if that were possible. He tells the Apostles (and us) to watch, for these are the signs that will alert us of HIS SOON COMING.

The key to understanding what Christ meant by "this generation will not pass away until all these things take place" is the qualifications He made, the signs and the context. Christ is speaking of far future events to happen to His New Testament congregation. He had already prophesied to Israel during His earthly ministry that the kingdom HAD BEEN TAKEN FROM THEM (Matthew 21:43). Therefore, He cannot be talking about the nation Israel being persecuted for His sake in 70AD, but a far future time. The generation that Christ declares would NOT pass until He returns is the generation of evil. NOT "Fig Tree Generation." Note carefully that our Lord did not say SOME things might be fulfilled, but that ALL these things must first be fulfilled. In other words, the false prophets, nation against nation, famines, pestilence and earthquakes in divers place, false christs, etc. Things like these people delivering Christ's servants up to be afflicted and killed and hated of all nations for Christ's sake. Were the Jews hated of all nations FOR CHRIST's SAKE in 70AD or 2024AD? I do not think so! Things like the gospel having been preached to the entire world for a witness, and the greatest tribulation ever in the world, and the Son of man coming on the clouds of Glory. All this must be fulfilled BEFORE this generation will pass. The only generation that shall not pass until all things are fulfilled is the GENERATION OF EVIL (Matthew 12:39), the GENERATION OF VIPERS (Matthew 12:34). A physical seed or generation will pass way and indeed has passed, and we STILL have all these things?! But the generation of evil is the only generation that has not passed.

 

[Zao is life]

You did not answer the question.

I am of "the baby boomer generation". How is the meaning of "generation" in that phrase any different from what is meant for generation in "the parable of the fig tree generation" ?

The answer is there is no difference in the meaning of "generation" in each of those phrases. "generation" is talking about a group of people born in a common era.

The parable of the fig tree generation began in 1967, when the Jews re-gained possession of Jerusalem, and the metaphorically fig tree leaves began to bud. The bracket is the year 1967.

That generation will pass 70 years from 1967 in 2037, using King David's Psalms 90:10 of a human being's life expectancy.

I have not changed the definition of a generation as you are falsely accusing me. We are dealing with a parable. What you are trying to distract from is the part of the parable of the fig tree, highlighted in red below.

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

Douggg the fig tree being cursed forever has nothing to do with Jesus' analogy of A fig tree putting forth leaves telling us that summer is near.

The fig tree being cursed by Jesus forever has everything to do with the fact that God was taking the authority away from the chief priests, scribes and Pharisees (which authority had been given them by Mosaic law), and giving it to Christ, the High Priest who is a priest forever in the order of Melchizedek.

A fig tree putting forth leaves was being used by Jesus in reference to the signs of the end of the age and time of His return that He had just been giving, and in reference to that sermon only.

The battle of Gog and Magog does not happen until after the thousand year reign of Christ

Yes, YOU have been saying that. Jesus never did. Doug, do you actually read anything I say? Have you not seen my explanation for my understanding of the word generation? I see it as a type of people, not a time period. Like in 1 Peter 2:9 where Peter used the word generation to refer to a...

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Also, the same [houtos] the generation [o genea] refers to whichever generation is being spoken of in the context of the passage:

Luke 11:31 "The queen of the south shall rise up in the Judgment with the men of this the same [houtos or oute] the generation [o genea] and condemn them. For she came from the ends of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon. And behold, One greater than Solomon is here." was a reference to the generation alive during Jesus' time on earth.

Strongs Greek 3777 οὔτε
ou[te oute {oo'-teh}
from 3756 and 5037; not too, i.e. neither or nor; by analogy, not even:--neither, none, nor (yet), (no, yet) not, nothing.

Luke 21:32 Truly I say to you, this [oute] the generation [o genea] (not even this generation) shall pass away until all these things are fulfilled.

If the end of the age and time of the return of Christ + all the signs given by Jesus of the end of the age and time of His return came in 70 AD (as Preterists assert), then "this [oute] the generation [o genea] " refers to that generation.

But if If the end of the age and time of the return of Christ is still to come, then "this [oute] the generation [o genea] " refers to that generation that will be alive at the time of His return.

The words "this [oute] the generation [o genea] " do not date anything - the context of what is being said dates everything:

Luke 11:31 "The queen of the south shall rise up in the Judgment with the men of this the same [houtos or oute] the generation [o genea] and condemn them. For she came from the ends of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon. And behold, One greater than Solomon is here." was a reference to the generation alive during Jesus' time on earth.

The battle of Gog and Magog does not happen until after the thousand year reign of Christ​

 

[Douggg]

19 And seeing a fig tree in the way, He came to it and found nothing on it except leaves only. And He said to it, let no fruit grow on you forever. And immediately the fig tree withered away.

You took verse 19 out of context. Jesus and the disciples were returning to Jerusalem from over-nighting in Bethany.

Jesus cursed the fig tree beside the road, knowing that Jerusalem would reject Him as their King. In Matthew 23:39, Jesus said of Jerusalem, that it would not see Him again until they (the Jews) say "Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord". Which will be at His Second Coming.

Jerusalem, back in the hands of the Jews, is the fig tree in the parable of the fig tree Jesus gave.

18 Now in the morning as he returned into the city, he hungered.

19 And when he saw a fig tree in the way, he came to it, and found nothing thereon, but leaves only, and said unto it, Let no fruit grow on thee henceforward for ever. And presently the fig tree withered away.

20 And when the disciples saw it, they marvelled, saying, How soon is the fig tree withered away!

 

[Douggg]

That is one definition of the word generation, but not the only one. Why can't you understand that? Also, the "baby boomer generation" lasted from 1946 to 1964, so 19 years. Yet, you try to say that "this generation" is talking about a time period of 70 years

1946-1964 is a bracket.

In my post regarding the parable of the fig tree generation, I wrote the bracket is the year 1967.

I am distracting from NOTHING! You are the one claiming that "this generation" started in 1967 and lasts for 70 years.

In my post I wrote the bracket is the year 1967. 70 years is the life expectancy time as given by King David in Psalms 90:10.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You took verse 19 out of context. Jesus and the disciples were returning to Jerusalem from over-nighting in Bethany.

Jesus cursed the fig tree beside the road, knowing that Jerusalem would reject Him as their King. In Matthew 23:39, Jesus said of Jerusalem, that it would not see Him again until they (the Jews) say "Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord". Which will be at His Second Coming.

Jerusalem, back in the hands of the Jews, is the fig tree in the parable of the fig tree Jesus gave.

18 Now in the morning as he returned into the city, he hungered.

19 And when he saw a fig tree in the way, he came to it, and found nothing thereon, but leaves only, and said unto it, Let no fruit grow on thee henceforward for ever. And presently the fig tree withered away.

20 And when the disciples saw it, they marvelled, saying, How soon is the fig tree withered away!

That passage has no relationship to Matthew 24:32 whatsoever. Matthew 24:32 relates to how soon Christ's return would be once the things Jesus talked about as happening before His return began to come to pass. It would be as near as summer is when a fig tree's leaves start to grow. Matthew 24:32 relates directly to Matthew 24:33, not to Matthew 21:18-20.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

1946-1964 is a bracket.

In my post regarding the parable of the fig tree generation, I wrote the bracket is the year 1967.

In my post I wrote the bracket is the year 1967. 70 years is the life expectancy time as given by King David in Psalms 90:10.

LOL. You continue to lie by trying to say that a generation refers to a human's life expectancy.

Tell me, do you see a definition of generation that says it's the life expectancy of human beings here:




NONE of these definitions of the word generation says "the average life span of human beings". I do see one that says "the average span of time between the birth of parents and that of their offspring", which is generally 30 to 40 years. So, none of these definitions of the word generation allows for a generation to be 70 years.

Likewise, I don't see any definitions of the Greek word that the word generation is translated from, genea, that say it means the life expectancy of human beings, either:

 

[Douggg]

LOL. You continue to lie by trying to say that a generation refers to a human's life expectancy.

No, I am saying that every generation has a life expectancy.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

No, I am saying that every generation has a life expectancy.

LOL. The word generation never means "life expectancy". I showed you all the definitions and none of them say anything about life expectancy. So, you are a devious liar who makes up new definitions for words to make scripture say what you want it to say.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Douggg the fig tree being cursed forever has nothing to do with Jesus' analogy of A fig tree putting forth leaves telling us that summer is near.​

Agreed, 100%

 

[TribulationSigns]

Jesus cursed the fig tree beside the road, knowing that Jerusalem would reject Him as their King. In Matthew 23:39, Jesus said of Jerusalem, that it would not see Him again until they (the Jews) say "Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord". Which will be at His Second Coming.

Not at Second Coming, nor do with modern national Israel.

Jerusalem, back in the hands of the Jews, is the fig tree in the parable of the fig tree Jesus gave.

18 Now in the morning as he returned into the city, he hungered.

19 And when he saw a fig tree in the way, he came to it, and found nothing thereon, but leaves only, and said unto it, Let no fruit grow on thee henceforward for ever. And presently the fig tree withered away.

20 And when the disciples saw it, they marvelled, saying, How soon is the fig tree withered away!

Christ was talking about His Old Testament congregation as a whole. Christ found that it did not produce fruit so He cursed it that it WILL NOT produce fruit again FOREVER. Not until 1948, 1967, or Gog and Magog war, etc. The Old Testament congregation ended at the Cross as the kingdom representative was taken from her and Christ gave it to His New Testament Church which now represents God's kingdom that now produces fruits (ie. people being saved). Nothing is prophesied about the return of national Israel that will produce fruits again after the church did its job. That is absurd thinking on your part.

 

[TribulationSigns]

No, I am saying that every generation has a life expectancy.

Every generation, you say? Boy, something is really funny with your thinking:

1Pe 2:9-10
(9) But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
(10) Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.

Are you suggesting that a chosen generation has a life expectancy too? (chuckle).

 

[Keraz]

LOL. The word generation never means "life expectancy". I showed you all the definitions and none of them say anything about life expectancy. So, you are a devious liar who makes up new definitions for words to make scripture say what you want it to say.

This sort of post is rude and disgusting.
Arguing about translation differences, is foolishness, especially when the real meaning of what Jesus said in Matthew 24:32-34, is now apparent.
Judah, represented by the fig tree, has come alive again and has 'budded', but has never brought forth fruit - the fruit of the Spirit.

So the Prophecy of - when you see that happen, then the generation of people alive then, can be still living when all the end times events take place, is being fulfilled in our time. Denial of this reality is simply a rejection of Gods Word to us today.

WE Christians are the nation, [people group] who has brought forth the fruit of the Spirit. Matthew 21:43
The holy Land is our inheritance, Ephesians 1:8-14, and the righteous will live there forever. Psalms 37:29

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

This sort of post is rude and disgusting.

I could not care less what you think. When someone blatantly lies like he's doing, I call it out. If you are okay with someone purposely being deceptive and making up new definitions for words to make scripture say what they want it to say, then that says a lot about you, too.

Arguing about translation differences, is foolishness, especially when the real meaning of what Jesus said in Matthew 24:32-34, is now apparent.

I'm not arguing about translation differences, I'm showing that none of the definitions of the word generation are life expectancy. His belief that "this generation" refers to a 70 year time period based on his made up definition of the word generation is ludicrous. Why are you okay with someone making up their own definitions for words? That is devious and dishonest and the word of God should be treated with more reverence and respect than that.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Every generation, you say? Boy, something is really funny with your thinking:

1Pe 2:9-10
(9) But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
(10) Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.

Are you suggesting that a chosen generation has a life expectancy too? (chuckle).

The word generation NEVER means "life expectancy", as I've showed him and he somehow thinks that's the only definition of the word. A definition he made up in his own mind. Unbelievable.

 

[Douggg]

LOL. The word generation never means "life expectancy". I showed you all the definitions and none of them say anything about life expectancy. So, you are a devious liar who makes up new definitions for words to make scripture say what you want it to say.

I never said that the word generation means "life expectancy".

Every generation of human beings - the human beings of that generation have a certain life expectancy.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I never said that the word generation means "life expectancy".

Yes, you have. Several times. Why are you lying? That is the reason you think "this generation" lasts for 70 years because you think a generation refers to a human being's life expectancy and you base that on your understanding of Psalm 90:10. Why are you denying that now?

Every generation of human beings - the human beings of that generation have a certain life expectancy.

What does this even mean and what does it have to do with anything?

 

[TribulationSigns]

I never said that the word generation means "life expectancy".

Your quote:

"No, I am saying that every generation has a life expectancy."

So yes...

Every generation of human beings - the human beings of that generation have a certain life expectancy.

If "ONE" human being, regardless of who was born after him, within his own generation supposed to live 40 years in comparison to another "ONE" human being, regardless of who was born after her, in her own generation is expected to live 70 years so you can play with number game to determine which fit best for your absurd doctrine. All of this is based on the "human beings" at the beginning of their "generation"? LOL!!!! Nonsense!

Tell us, who is this human being of your "fig tree generation" theory, then? Do you know who? Will you doctrine be based on human being of the generation? Humm?