Shall a man, that has not repented, not been baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of his sins, tell me to read the Epistles?
Obeying Acts 2:38 is the only plan of salvation
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mailmandan
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Actually, I have repented, and I have placed my faith in Jesus Christ alone for salvation. (Acts 3:19; 11:17,18; 15:7-9; 20:21 etc..). I was also water baptized "afterwards." (Acts 10:43-48) What is signified in water baptism is not procured in water baptism. You have a misplaced faith.
I heard an excellent sermon at church last month which talked about false religion being a distortion of redemption. False religion always turns symbols and shadows of our salvation into the substance and the source. A woman who previously attended the church of Christ gave a testimony at our church on that same Sunday on how she finally overcame that fatal error and just recently has come to place her faith in Jesus Christ alone for salvation. Praise God!
False, it was because of remission of sins, sins were forgiven through Christ blood. Afterwards they as for an act of obedience they were water baptized, an answer of a good conscience 1 Pet 3:21
The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
Again, everyone Christ died for has had their sins purged away and they are forgiven before they are born Heb 1:3
; 3 who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
Purge here means:
- a cleansing from the guilt of sins wrought by the expiatory sacrifice of Christ
Thats forgiveness, not guilty ! Do you deny this fact done by Christ Himself ? Friend you are promoting salvation by works, thats a dangerous false teaching.
Sorry, Dan, but you have not repented. Because you have not been baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of your sins. You have what they call fake repentance. Just like Saul of the old Testament.Actually, I have repented, and I have placed my faith in Jesus Christ alone for salvation. (Acts 3:19; 11:17,18; 15:7-9; 20:21 etc..). I was also water baptized "afterwards." (Acts 10:43-48) What is signified in water baptism is not procured in water baptism. You have a misplaced faith.
I heard an excellent sermon at church last month which talked about false religion being a distortion of redemption. False religion always turns symbols and shadows of our salvation into the substance and the source. A woman who previously attended the church of Christ gave a testimony at our church on that same Sunday on how she finally overcame that fatal error and just recently has come to place her faith in Jesus Christ alone for salvation. Praise God!
If you repent in the New Testament, you have to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Peter defined that clearly for us.
So that is the silliest thing I ever saw. You’re saying that Peter told them after they were saved to repent, and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ because they have already received the remission of sins?
Repent to receive what they already had? Also, repent because they’re already saved, and they shall in the future receive the gift of the Holy Ghost? Am I in the twilight zone?
Do you honestly teach the book of Hebrews to sinners?
Do you teach any of the other epistles to sinners?
Have you always taught sinners to skip the book of Acts and read the Epistles to the saved saints?
Do modern theologians teach people to do this to simple man on the street?
Was the book of Revelation also written to sinners or to the seven churches?
mailmandan
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That's false. Water baptism does not obtain remission of sins but repentance (implied in faith in Christ) brings remission of sins. (Luke 24:47; Acts 3:19; 11:17,18; 15:7-9; 20:21) If you have not placed your faith in Jesus Christ alone for salvation then you have not yet repented.
Peter said, repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins…
Dan says repent, and don’t worry about being baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins…
Dan has not repented because he cannot follow the second part of Peter‘s command.
I hate to be the bearer of bad news Dan, but you have failed.
mailmandan
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See posts #174 and #178 and let it sink in. I'm really not interested in your eisegesis or your childish slander.
Telling you the truth that you have fake repentance is not slander. It’s actually helpful.
It may be silly to you but its the truth. Water baptism was an act of obedience after one was converted to Faith in Christ. Thats why Philip required that the ethiopian guy professed faith in Christ Acts 8:37-39
37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.
39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.
When he said he believed that Jesus was the Son of God, he had been born of God 1 Jn 5:1
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
if one believed with his heart in Jesus, he gave proof he was saved Rom 10:9-10
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Friend you have been deceived.
Again everyone Jesus died for, He purged their sins away. Also thats why Jesus told Peter that Cornelius was clean by God Acts 10:15
15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.
That word cleansed is the same word purge in Heb 1:3, Cornelius was already saved, way before he was water baptized.
If water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ was not for the remission of sins, and it was only for obedience, was it just a test of obedience?
Kind of like an initiation test? It was irrelevant but needed to see if they would follow them further?
Cornelius was commanded to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of his sins so that he could be clean. It was receiving the Holy Ghost prior to that that helped him to understand that this was an act of God leading him to water baptism.
Baptism was a a act of obedience for the newly converted, in ight of the fact their sins were already forgiven for Christs sake Eph 4:32
And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.
1 Jn 2:12
I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for his name's sake.
You are preaching mercenary legalism
Was baptism an irrelevant obedience test or more important like this?...
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,...
Again everyone Jesus died for, He purged their sins away. Also thats why Jesus told Peter that Cornelius was clean by God Acts 10:15
15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.
That word cleansed is the same word purge in Heb 1:3, Cornelius was already saved/justified, way before he was water baptized.
Scripture calls Cornelius a Justified man way before he was water baptized Acts 10:22
And they said, Cornelius the centurion, a just man, and one that feareth God, and of good report among all the nation of the Jews, was warned from God by an holy angel to send for thee into his house, and to hear words of thee.
This is what the Word of God says about the Just,
Prov 3 33
The curse of the Lord is in the house of the wicked: but he blesseth the habitation of the just.
Prov 4 18
But the path of the just is as the shining light, that shineth more and more unto the perfect day.
Prov 10 6
Blessings are upon the head of the just: but violence covereth the mouth of the wicked.
Baptism was a a act of obedience for the newly converted, in ight of the fact their sins were already forgiven for Christs sake Eph 4:32
And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.
1 Jn 2:12
I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for his name's sake.
You are preaching mercenary legalism
Dan Clarkston
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And... if they do not continue in His goodness they will be cut off meaning people that turn away from the Lord are no longer saved.,
2 Peter 2:20
For if after they have escaped the pollution of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
Romans 11:21,22
For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
James 1:22
But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
And we see in the warnings the Lord gives in His Word... it's entirely possible for one to fall away and not be saved in the end after having been saved at one time.
the devil is the one that loves to tell people we can ignore what the Lord says and pick and choose just the happy verses so they can falsely feel good about themselves as they continue in their sin
This is how the devil tricks all these preachers in to teaching that all our future sins are already forgiven which is false and this turns the grace of the Lord in to lawlessness.
Titus 2:11,12
For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
Jude 1:4
For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
Too bad Jesus did not say that specifically.
There is baptism in the Spirit and there is water baptism which are two different things.
Now we do see in the Book of Acts where the Holy Ghost leads the saints to water baptize those that have already been born again... but the point in which one is born again is before they ever get dunked in the water.
If they have not become born again believers first, dunking them in the water is a waste of time
Exactly!
So you believe Jesus lied to the thief on the cross who believe and had no opportunity to be baptized?
Jesus told the guy he would be with Jesus in paradise and he was not water baptized.
Some COC peoples think this was the only lie Jesus ever told anybody.
But then the COC people believe the Holy Spirit does not lead people in their personal lives either which is false.
The Holy Spirit is not leading them in their personal live because they reject His leading, but the Holy Spirit is leading those that accept the Holy Spirit.
Romans 8:14
For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God
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