Obeying Acts 2:38 is the only plan of salvation

[Scott Downey]

If believing alone is the way to be saved, and then the devil’s are saved. That doctrine of modernism does not fly with the Bible. The devils cannot be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and they don’t let their constituents either.

Fake, Christ did not come to save angels.
Christ came to save the children of God who were mortal and in fleshly bodies

Hebrews 2, Christ had to be made like unto His brethren, as in flesh and blood, not demons or angels.

Bringing Many Sons to Glory​

10 For it was fitting for Him, for whom are all things and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons to glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings. 11 For both He who [g]sanctifies and those who are being sanctified are all of one, for which reason He is not ashamed to call them brethren, 12 saying:

“I will declare Your name to My brethren;
In the midst of the assembly I will sing praise to You.”
13 And again:

“I will put My trust in Him.”
And again:

“Here am I and the children whom God has given Me.”
14 Inasmuch then as the children have partaken of flesh and blood, He Himself likewise shared in the same, that through death He might destroy him who had the power of death, that is, the devil, 15 and release those who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage. 16 For indeed He does not [h]give aid to angels, but He does [i]give aid to the seed of Abraham. 17 Therefore, in all things He had to be made like His brethren, that He might be a merciful and faithful High Priest in things pertaining to God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people. 18 For in that He Himself has suffered, being [j]tempted, He is able to aid those who are tempted.

 

[Scott Downey]

If water baptism is what saved you from HELL, then why did Paul specifically say He was glad he did not water baptize anyone?

1 Corinthians 1

14 I thank God that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius, 15 lest anyone should say that I had baptized in my own name. 16 Yes, I also baptized the household of Stephanas. Besides, I do not know whether I baptized any other. 17 For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel, not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of no effect.

Christ the Power and Wisdom of God​

18 For the [g]message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19 For it is written:

“I will destroy the wisdom of the wise,
And bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.”
20 Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the [h]disputer of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

21 For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom did not know God, it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe. 22 For Jews request a sign, and Greeks seek after wisdom; 23 but we preach Christ crucified, to the Jews a [i]stumbling block and to the [j]Greeks foolishness, 24 but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

 

[Scott Downey]

He that believes and is baptized shall be saved. He that believes not shall be condemned.

Can only be people saved as Christ only baptizes people into the Spirit of God joining them as one spirit in Him. He wont join with any fallen Angel's or demons in His new covenant. Christ is the one adding to the church daily those He saves.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God

That actually reads He gave them POWER to becomes sons of God.

John 1:12
But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name:

Having the right without having God's power to get er done is meaningless.

Fake, Christ did not come to save angels.

Exactly. There is no salvation for fallen angels

 

[Scott Downey]

That actually reads He gave them POWER to becomes sons of God.

John 1:12
But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name:

Having the right without having God's power to get er done is meaningless.




Exactly. There is no salvation for fallen angels

Different versions use different words. Right here implies justification from God that they are the children of God.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Different versions use different words. Right here implies justification from God that they are the children of God.

Well if the Lord says "I give you the right to become a child of God" and then does not provide the power to do so... nobody would become a child of God.

It's a faulty translation that just says he give us the right as that would be incomplete.

 

[Scott Downey]

Well if the Lord says "I give you the right to become a child of God" and then does not provide the power to do so... nobody would become a child of God.

It's a faulty translation that just says he give us the right as that would be incomplete.

I dont worry about this. God enables and provides the power needed regardless. It is KJV NKJV NIV wording. Etc... John 1:12. Those who received Christ had been born of God.

 

[Truther]

Fake, Christ did not come to save angels.
Christ came to save the children of God who were mortal and in fleshly bodies

Hebrews 2, Christ had to be made like unto His brethren, as in flesh and blood, not demons or angels.

Bringing Many Sons to Glory​

10 For it was fitting for Him, for whom are all things and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons to glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings. 11 For both He who [g]sanctifies and those who are being sanctified are all of one, for which reason He is not ashamed to call them brethren, 12 saying:

“I will declare Your name to My brethren;
In the midst of the assembly I will sing praise to You.”
13 And again:

“I will put My trust in Him.”
And again:

“Here am I and the children whom God has given Me.”
14 Inasmuch then as the children have partaken of flesh and blood, He Himself likewise shared in the same, that through death He might destroy him who had the power of death, that is, the devil, 15 and release those who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage. 16 For indeed He does not [h]give aid to angels, but He does [i]give aid to the seed of Abraham. 17 Therefore, in all things He had to be made like His brethren, that He might be a merciful and faithful High Priest in things pertaining to God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people. 18 For in that He Himself has suffered, being [j]tempted, He is able to aid those who are tempted.

You do realize that you are reading from the book of Romans, which was written to people that have already obeyed Peter per Acts 2:38. You have skipped the book of Acts and become what is officially known as an Acts skipper. You are reading the mail of the Saints, which are called the Epistles to the saints. You are teaching sinners to disobey Peter in the book of Acts and to read the mail that was written to the Saints. That is one of the greatest distortions that you could make against Christianity. Just saying.

 

[Truther]

If water baptism is what saved you from HELL, then why did Paul specifically say He was glad he did not water baptize anyone?

1 Corinthians 1

14 I thank God that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius, 15 lest anyone should say that I had baptized in my own name. 16 Yes, I also baptized the household of Stephanas. Besides, I do not know whether I baptized any other. 17 For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel, not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of no effect.

Christ the Power and Wisdom of God​

18 For the [g]message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19 For it is written:

“I will destroy the wisdom of the wise,
And bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.”
20 Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the [h]disputer of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

21 For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom did not know God, it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe. 22 For Jews request a sign, and Greeks seek after wisdom; 23 but we preach Christ crucified, to the Jews a [i]stumbling block and to the [j]Greeks foolishness, 24 but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

Paul let others do his baptizing for him. He baptized a few though.

 

[Truther]

He that believes and is baptized shall be saved. He that believes not shall be condemned.

Can only be people saved as Christ only baptizes people into the Spirit of God joining them as one spirit in Him. He wont join with any fallen Angel's or demons in His new covenant. Christ is the one adding to the church daily those He saves.

Mark 16:16 is talking about water baptism.

 

[Scott Downey]

Mark 16:16 is talking about water baptism.

You just think of it this way. The same word Baptizo is used also of the baptism Jesus does, exact same word.

G907 - baptizō - Strong's Greek Lexicon (kjv)

G907 - βαπτίζω baptízō, bap-tid'-zo; from a derivative of ; to immerse, submerge; to make whelmed (i.e. fully wet); used only (in the New Testament) of ceremonial ablution, especially (technically) of the ordinance of Christian baptism:—Baptist, baptize, wash.

www.blueletterbible.org

And associating it with the baptism Christ does is consistent with John the Baptists teaching and the Lord Jesus's teaching about having eternal life. As well the apostle Paul's teaching about water baptism.

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Mat 3:11
I indeed baptize G907 you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize G907 you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:

There is no water baptismal regeneration, genuine real regeneration is done by the Holy Spirit.

Titus 3
. 4 But when the kindness and the love of God our Savior toward man appeared, 5 not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit, 6 whom He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7 that having been justified by His grace we should become heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

Water baptism in the name of the Lord is a work of righteousness which WE have done!

 

[Scott Downey]

I indeed baptize G907 you with water unto repentance:

Repentance is not salvation, believing in Christ is salvation

Romans 10, WHAT DOES IT SAY? IS IT CONSISTANT WITH THE GOSPEL?
YES, this is consistent with the teachings of Christ.


5 For Moses writes about the righteousness which is of the law, “The man who does those things shall live by them.” 6 But the righteousness of faith speaks in this way, “Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’ ” (that is, to bring Christ down from above) 7 or, “ ‘Who will descend into the abyss?’ ” (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead). 8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith which we preach):

9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. 13 For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”

 

[Scott Downey]

Acts 2:38, all 3000 people believed and were then baptized as a work of righteousness...
Water baptism is always a believer's baptism, having believed they were saved, and then they performed a work of righteousness which saved none of them. It was an emotional response that they themselves performed, God has already made them born again and saved them by His mercy, washing them clean on the INSIDE, they signified the change as a testimony to other people by washing themselves on the outside.

What did Christ say about being made clean?

2 Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He [a]takes away; and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit. 3 You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you. 4 Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me.


Acts 10:15
And a voice spoke to him again the second time, “What God has cleansed you must not call common.”
Acts 11:9
But the voice answered me again from heaven, ‘What God has cleansed you must not call common.’

IF YOU SAY someone is not cleansed until a work of righteousness like water baptism performed by a priest or pastor, etc... is done, they you are against the Holy Spirit, violating the spoken word of God and teaching others falsely,

 

[Truther]

You just think of it this way. The same word Baptizo is used also of the baptism Jesus does, exact same word.

G907 - baptizō - Strong's Greek Lexicon (kjv)

G907 - βαπτίζω baptízō, bap-tid'-zo; from a derivative of ; to immerse, submerge; to make whelmed (i.e. fully wet); used only (in the New Testament) of ceremonial ablution, especially (technically) of the ordinance of Christian baptism:—Baptist, baptize, wash.

www.blueletterbible.org

And associating it with the baptism Christ does is consistent with John the Baptists teaching and the Lord Jesus's teaching about having eternal life. As well the apostle Paul's teaching about water baptism.

Tools

Mat 3:11
I indeed baptize G907 you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize G907 you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:

There is no water baptismal regeneration, genuine real regeneration is done by the Holy Spirit.

Titus 3
. 4 But when the kindness and the love of God our Savior toward man appeared, 5 not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit, 6 whom He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7 that having been justified by His grace we should become heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

Water baptism in the name of the Lord is a work of righteousness which WE have done!

The Ethiopian eunuch believed and was subsequently baptized because he believed. That is the scriptural explanation for Mark 16:16. Yours is cuckoo.

 

[Scott Downey]

The Ethiopian eunuch believed and was subsequently baptized because he believed. That is the scriptural explanation for Mark 16:16. Yours is cuckoo.

Nope as you have believed you must be water baptized to be born again and saved. Otherwise, your belief in Christ is worthless.

 

[Truther]

Nope as you have believed you must be water baptized to be born again and saved. Otherwise, your belief in Christ is worthless.

No, he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved. Ethiopian eunuch was baptized after he believed… to be saved. That is simple Bible without tricky mixups.
Your faith alone is not your salvation. It leads you to salvation via baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins.

Water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins requires faith.
Refusing such shows zero faith.

 

[Scott Downey]

No, he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved. Ethiopian eunuch was baptized after he believed… to be saved. That is simple Bible without tricky mixups.
Your faith alone is not your salvation. It leads you to salvation via baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins.

Water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins requires faith.
Refusing such shows zero faith.

You are disputing against what Jesus and Paul both taught about salvation, by adding in water baptismal regeneration as a work we must do.
You are hurting your own self and your dispute is not with me but them as both I and others have noted in your thread.

 

[Truther]

You are disputing against what Jesus and Paul both taught about salvation, by adding in water baptismal regeneration as a work we must do.
You are hurting your own self and your dispute is not with me but them as both I and others have noted in your thread.

Jesus told people in the future to believe and be baptized to be saved. Peter Paul, Philip, etc. all taught people had to believe and be baptized in the name of Jesus to be saved.
The only discrepancy is modernists that teach you don’t have to be baptized in the name of Jesus to be saved.
They have skipped the remission of sins part completely. They are not very intelligent.

 

[Scott Downey]

Jesus told people in the future to believe and be baptized to be saved. Peter Paul, Philip, etc. all taught people had to believe and be baptized in the name of Jesus to be saved.
The only discrepancy is modernists that teach you don’t have to be baptized in the name of Jesus to be saved.
They have skipped the remission of sins part completely. They are not very intelligent.

No they did not. What they said is not according to your understanding. They are clear that if you are believing in Him, this is eternal life. All should reread John 3:16, if any doubt their doctrine.

 

[Truther]

No they did not. What they said is not according to your understanding. They are clear that if you are believing in Him, this is eternal life. All should reread John 3:16, if any doubt their doctrine.

No, even Paul taught that we are buried with him through baptism. You cannot be buried with him unless you are baptized in his name. You guys are just lazy. Too lazy to go fill a tank and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of your sins. Lazy, lazy lazy.