There is only one true church

[amigo de christo]

Be in and let the bible be our daily bread and meat .
Dance a jig of praise unto the glorious LORD . JESUS has the sheep
and the voice of a harlot they will not heed but will rather flee from her and do all to warn the peoples .

 

[amigo de christo]

enjoy the emoji show my friends . sometimes a picture can sure help put a little emphasis on things .

 

[amigo de christo]

i will NEVER return to that Harlot.

For i have been BORN-AGAIN by the SPIRIT of GOD.

Not only that but the LORD baptized me in His Holy Spirit.

No pope, no church, no religion could ever do for me what the LORD has Done for us!

And now let the weak say i am STRONG
Let the poor say i am RICH
Let the blind say now i SEE
Because of what the LORD has Done for us!

The well favored harlot cries come ye and enter into my chambers
i have decked up mybed with the most beautiful taperstries and perfumed my bed with the best of oils
but the DEAD know not that her chambers lead to death and that all who do enter into her
enter into death and make a convenant with death and not LIFE .
The HO rests not and has mixed her special blend of all incluisive fornicational love
into her cup which she has poured unto the earth and all religoins to come and drink
and be as one with her and solace themselves wtih her love .
ONLY STRONG BE THE LORD GOD WHO Gonna JUDGE HER . so COME YE OUT of her my peoples
and look not back as you leave , just flee and learn of THE LORD .
BIBLE TIME .

 

[PinSeeker]

ALL denominations are ineligible to call themselves "the One True Church" for NONE are the One True Church of Christ.

Absolutely true. Even the denomination of Catholicism.

You know, a quick general comment about denominations, though:

In the sense that there is disagreement regarding this or that in God’s word, disagreement about how to do this or that biblical thing, and such… that sort of disunity is not a good thing, as we would all agree. However, perfect unity ~ because we are all imperfect beings (to say the least) ~ is not possible. But we are exhorted to it anyway in Scripture, nowhere more clearly than by Paul in Ephesians 4. So in that sense, Christian denominations are a good thing… they give imperfect people the opportunity to gather with like-minded (with regard to Scriptural understanding and biblical ways to do things) people, and, while they may get some things wrong, they don’t quarrel amongst themselves over these things but love one another better, which is far more important ~ even according to Jesus Himself, as He said the second great commandment (after loving God, of course) is to love others as himself or herself ~ than getting everything in Scripture exactly right. And Paul said, of course, in 1 Corinthians 8, that “knowledge puffs up, but love builds up.”

So, in that sense at least, denominations are a good thing, actually helping us to strive for this unity and love we are called to.

Now, one of the things that is bad about denominations, of course, is that members of one can look down, for a variety of reasons, on members of another, even regarding them as inferior. Which has been so evident in this and other threads, and that’s too bad…

Grace and peace to all.

 

[Jude Thaddeus]

Your question has been answered by the LORD Jesus Christ who says to you:
@Augustin56, why are you foolish and SLOW of heart in not believing the Scriptures beginning with Moses and all the Prophets!"

Let's go back to the original question.

Yes. They believed God's Word...delivered to them how? The Bible wasn't written yet. How did they get God's Word?

I think you fail to understand the question.
You are restricting "God's Word" to the written Old Testament, most, if not all, was received orally before it was written. Not only that, the Jews had no OT canon until the 1st century A.D. The Apostles were familiar with the Septuagint, not the complete Bible that we are all familiar with. That is what @Augustine56 is referring to, not Moses and the Prophets.

So you either agree that "God's Word" is the complete written word, absent of any oral teachings, or you don't. "God's Word", in the fullest sense, does not leave out ALL that Jesus said. He didn't read from the New Testament!!! The Apostles HAD NO BIBLE!!! Get it??? For 3 years, Jesus taught a lot more than than the written record. It would be quite boring if all Jesus spoke was the same NT verses over and over again for 3 years. Try and reason it out for yourself. There was no complete Bible, as agreed by all, until the late 3rd century, a fact denied by certain self acclaimed Bible experts.

According to Protestant scholars, the first NT book was written some 20 years after Pentecost/Ascension, and the Gospels later than that, so how did the Apostles get God's Word??? Appealing to Moses and the Prophets, when Jesus wasn't born yet, doesn't answer the question, it's circular reasoning.

You "will never go back to that harlot" means several things. You were probably a dead Catholic who never fell in love with Jesus in the Eucharist, became an ex-Catholic who became an anti-Catholic, and now you blame the Catholic Church for your deadness, fixed and frozen in a denomination that meets your cultural world view that satisfies your social needs. Good for you!!! The Catholic Church is glad you found Jesus, even if outside the confines of the Catholic Church, so stop talking like we are your "harlot" enemy. Such rash statements reveals prejudice and ignorance, not to mention ill mannered and insulting. If you were to call my mother a harlot in public, I would justifiably punch you in the face, so try and have some manners. Convince me you are a Christian and talk to me (and Augustine56) like we were human beings.

How Can Catholicism Be True When Catholics Are So Dead?

Several people wrote to me recently to express their skepticism about Catholicism based on their experience with actual Catholics.

www.catholiceducation.org

Let's get back to the "Word of God" or "God's Word", or however you want to say it.
"Word of God" in Biblegateway, a common resource with a good search engine, reveals some interesting things. Pick any version you like. For example, the KJV lists "Word of God" 48 times. I'll even do the research for you because I am a nice guy.

BibleGateway - Keyword Search: "word of god"

www.biblegateway.com

I haven't been able to find where "Word of God" refers, in its context, to the written word alone. Maybe you can help me out and find ONE out of 48.
What I am saying is your privatized definition of "Word of God" is half baked, proven with "scripture alone".

 

[Marvelloustime]

The well favored harlot cries come ye and enter into my chambers
i have decked up mybed with the most beautiful taperstries and perfumed my bed with the best of oils
but the DEAD know not that her chambers lead to death and that all who do enter into her
enter into death and make a convenant with death and not LIFE .
The HO rests not and has mixed her special blend of all incluisive fornicational love
into her cup which she has poured unto the earth and all religoins to come and drink
and be as one with her and solace themselves wtih her love .
ONLY STRONG BE THE LORD GOD WHO Gonna JUDGE HER . so COME YE OUT of her my peoples
and look not back as you leave , just flee and learn of THE LORD .
BIBLE TIME .

 

[Marvelloustime]

enjoy the emoji show my friends . sometimes a picture can sure help put a little emphasis on things .

 

[Marvelloustime]

Be in and let the bible be our daily bread and meat .
Dance a jig of praise unto the glorious LORD . JESUS has the sheep
and the voice of a harlot they will not heed but will rather flee from her and do all to warn the peoples .

 

[amigo de christo]

Absolutely true. Even the denomination of Catholicism.

You know, a quick general comment about denominations, though:

In the sense that there is disagreement regarding this or that in God’s word, disagreement about how to do this or that biblical thing, and such… that sort of disunity is not a good thing, as we would all agree. However, perfect unity ~ because we are all imperfect beings (to say the least) ~ is not possible. But we are exhorted to it anyway in Scripture, nowhere more clearly than by Paul in Ephesians 4. So in that sense, Christian denominations are a good thing… they give imperfect people the opportunity to gather with like-minded (with regard to Scriptural understanding and biblical ways to do things) people, and, while they may get some things wrong, they don’t quarrel amongst themselves over these things but love one another better, which is far more important ~ even according to Jesus Himself, as He said the second great commandment (after loving God, of course) is to love others as himself or herself ~ than getting everything in Scripture exactly right. And Paul said, of course, in 1 Corinthians 8, that “knowledge puffs up, but love builds up.”

So, in that sense at least, denominations are a good thing, actually helping us to strive for this unity and love we are called to.

Now, one of the things that is bad about denominations, of course, is that members of one can look down, for a variety of reasons, on members of another, even regarding them as inferior. Which has been so evident in this and other threads, and that’s too bad…

Grace and peace to all.

Loving GOD , CHRIST above all first and foremost and to love thy neighbor as thyself .
So how come in a lot of these so called unity social clubs
are the Words of GOD being cast aside .
Had we truly LOVED GOD above all and then have loved our neighbor as ourself
We would have corrected and not to have allowed sin upon our neighbor .
And even worse the sin of unbelief that JESUS is the CHRIST would not have been allowed
to enter in and take captive the minds to another false gospel that is no gospel .
Had we loved GOD , Christ above all , first and foremost
then we had not turned the church into a social club wherein sin is allowed
to remain uncorrected , where the focus becomes lets only talk about things that make folks feel good
about themselves , but rather had focused on the TRUTH by which the Church truly could have been edified
and not have been led astray into darkness .
I was in social clubs , boy scouts and etc , we felt like we had great fellowship and each one was accepted
and we even did good works . But we was pretty much pagan to the core
and sins of others were overlooked , heck even honored
GOD was not first , man was . And that too has become the idol and the snare of the churches
who now gather for unity and have no idea that unity has removed a lot of the things of GOD from it .
And has thus allowed a lot of leaven to creep in and to fill them places to the full .
Unity UNDER GOD , under CHRIST would have put HIM first and honored HIM and taught
all to observe all things HE taught . But the unity i see today
reconciles only man to man , And wont correct and thus its left them in total darkness .

 

[Augustin56]

Your question has been answered by the LORD Jesus Christ who says to you:
@Augustin56, why are you foolish and SLOW of heart in not believing the Scriptures beginning with Moses and all the Prophets!"

So, you think you're Jesus? Or is it just that I don't believe in your personal interpretation of Scripture? I believe in the interpretation of Scripture intended by the original writers and the Apostles.

If there is anything I believe that you think is in opposition to Scripture, rest assured your interpretation of Scripture is in error. Why? Because I don't have to make up my own beliefs out of Scripture. I have the original interpretation of Scripture given me by Christ's Church for 2000 years to go by. As Proverbs 3:5 says, Trust in the LORD with all your heart, on your own intelligence do not rely;

 

[David in NJ]

Absolutely true. Even the denomination of Catholicism.

You know, a quick general comment about denominations, though:

In the sense that there is disagreement regarding this or that in God’s word, disagreement about how to do this or that biblical thing, and such… that sort of disunity is not a good thing, as we would all agree. However, perfect unity ~ because we are all imperfect beings (to say the least) ~ is not possible. But we are exhorted to it anyway in Scripture, nowhere more clearly than by Paul in Ephesians 4. So in that sense, Christian denominations are a good thing… they give imperfect people the opportunity to gather with like-minded (with regard to Scriptural understanding and biblical ways to do things) people, and, while they may get some things wrong, they don’t quarrel amongst themselves over these things but love one another better, which is far more important ~ even according to Jesus Himself, as He said the second great commandment (after loving God, of course) is to love others as himself or herself ~ than getting everything in Scripture exactly right. And Paul said, of course, in 1 Corinthians 8, that “knowledge puffs up, but love builds up.”

So, in that sense at least, denominations are a good thing, actually helping us to strive for this unity and love we are called to.

Now, one of the things that is bad about denominations, of course, is that members of one can look down, for a variety of reasons, on members of another, even regarding them as inferior. Which has been so evident in this and other threads, and that’s too bad…

Grace and peace to all.

Your Post #349 on 'sola scriptura' was excellent - thank you

I AGREE with you in the individual 'expression' of worship unto the LORD in the churches.

I do not believe any of the Apostles promoted 'denominations'.
They actually spoke against it rather strongly.

EXAMPLE: 1 Corinthians 1:10-14
Now I plead with you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. For it has been declared to me concerning you, my brethren, by those of Ce’s household, that there are contentions among you. Now I say this, that each of you says, “I am of Paul,” or “I am of Apollos,” or “I am of Cephas,” or “I am of Christ.” Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?

 

[Jude Thaddeus]

12. However, since God speaks in Sacred Scripture through men in human fashion, (6) the interpreter of Sacred Scripture, in order to see clearly what God wanted to communicate to us, should carefully investigate what meaning the sacred writers really intended, and what God wanted to manifest by means of their words.

To search out the intention of the sacred writers, attention should be given, among other things, to "literary forms." For truth is set forth and expressed differently in texts which are variously historical, prophetic, poetic, or of other forms of discourse. The interpreter must investigate what meaning the sacred writer intended to express and actually expressed in particular circumstances by using contemporary literary forms in accordance with the situation of his own time and culture. (7) For the correct understanding of what the sacred author wanted to assert, due attention must be paid to the customary and characteristic styles of feeling, speaking and narrating which prevailed at the time of the sacred writer, and to the patterns men normally employed at that period in their everyday dealings with one another. (8)

But, since Holy Scripture must be read and interpreted in the sacred spirit in which it was written, (9) no less serious attention must be given to the content and unity of the whole of Scripture if the meaning of the sacred texts is to be correctly worked out. The living tradition of the whole Church must be taken into account along with the harmony which exists between elements of the faith. It is the task of exegetes to work according to these rules toward a better understanding and explanation of the meaning of Sacred Scripture, so that through preparatory study the judgment of the Church may mature. For all of what has been said about the way of interpreting Scripture is subject finally to the judgment of the Church, which carries out the divine commission and ministry of guarding and interpreting the word of God. (10)

13. In Sacred Scripture, therefore, while the truth and holiness of God always remains intact, the marvelous "condescension" of eternal wisdom is clearly shown, "that we may learn the gentle kindness of God, which words cannot express, and how far He has gone in adapting His language with thoughtful concern for our weak human nature." (11) For the words of God, expressed in human language, have been made like human discourse, just as the word of the eternal Father, when He took to Himself the flesh of human weakness, was in every way made like men.
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Guess who wrote the above paragraphs. It's a challenge for those who oppose what they think the Catholic Church (CC) teaches about interpretation. I posit the truth scares the daylights out of anti-Catholics. I'll post the source later and those who thirst can drink abundantly.

 

[Jude Thaddeus]

Your Post #349 on 'sola scriptura' was excellent - thank you

I AGREE with you in the individual 'expression' of worship unto the LORD in the churches.

I do not believe any of the Apostles promoted 'denominations'.
They actually spoke against it rather strongly.

EXAMPLE: 1 Corinthians 1:10-14
Now I plead with you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. For it has been declared to me concerning you, my brethren, by those of Ce’s household, that there are contentions among you. Now I say this, that each of you says, “I am of Paul,” or “I am of Apollos,” or “I am of Cephas,” or “I am of Christ.” Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?

This is precisely where Protestantism, from it's sorry beginnings, FAILES PAUL'S TEST.
Here are some excerpts from

Dialogue with a Calvinist: Was Paul a “Lone Ranger”?​

It is incorrect to regard St. Paul as some kind of spiritual “lone ranger,” on his own with no particular ecclesiastical allegiance, since he was commissioned by Jesus Himself as an Apostle.

- In his very conversion experience, Jesus informed Paul that he would be told what to do (Acts 9:6; cf. 9:17).
- He went to see St. Peter in Jerusalem for fifteen days in order to be confirmed in his calling (Galatians 1:18),
- and fourteen years later was commissioned by Peter, James, and John (Galatians 2:1-2, 9).
- He was also sent out by the Church at Antioch (Acts 13:1-4), which was in contact with the Church at Jerusalem (Acts 11:19-27).
- Later on, Paul reported back to Antioch (Acts 14:26-28).
- Acts 15:2 states: “. . . Paul and Barnabas and some of the others were appointed to go up to Jerusalem to the apostles and the elders about this question.”
- The next verse refers to Paul and Barnabas Paul did what he was told to do by the Jerusalem Council (where he played no huge role), and Paul and Barnabas were sent off, or commissioned by the council (15:22-27),
- and shared its binding teachings in their missionary journeys: “. . . delivered to them for observance the decisions which had been reached by the apostles and elders who were at Jerusalem” (Acts 16:4).

The Jerusalem Council certainly regarded its teachings as infallible, and guided by the Holy Spirit Himself. The records we have of it don’t even record much discussion about biblical prooftexts, and the main issue was circumcision (where there is a lot of Scripture to draw from). Paul accepted its authority and proclaimed its teachings (Acts 16:4).
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Furthermore, Paul appears to be passing on his office to Timothy (1 Tim 6:20; 2 Tim 1:6, 13-14; 2 Tim 4:1-6), and tells him to pass his office along, in turn (2 Tim 2:1-2) which would be another indication of apostolic succession in the Bible. (as Apostles share an equal vote with elders who are not Apostles in Acts 15)

The Jerusalem Council certainly regarded its teachings as infallible, and guided by the Holy Spirit Himself. The records we have of it don’t even record much discussion about biblical prooftexts, and the main issue was circumcision (where there is a lot of Scripture to draw from). Paul accepted its authority and proclaimed its teachings (Acts 16:4).

The attempt to pretend that St. Paul was somehow on his own, disconnected to the institutional Church, has always failed, as unbiblical. Protestants frown upon institutions, but we Catholics rather like the Church that Jesus Christ set up, initially led by St. Peter.*

David, if you agree that Paul was commissioned as an apostle “by Jesus Himself” then does he derive his apostleship from Jesus or from Peter?

Both. Why do you feel compelled to make a choice? It’s the usual Protestant “either/or” dichotomous mentality. Calvin does the same thing repeatedly.

And actually, why do you say that “fourteen years later was commissioned by Peter, James, and John (Galatians 2:1-2,9)”? But you leave out the intervening verses where Paul claims that these men “added nothing to his message” and that their high esteem “makes no difference” to Paul or to God. There is also the interesting incident in Gal. 2 where Paul rebukes Peter “to his face” for his “hypocriosy” because he was “not walking in line with the gospel” (Gal. 2:11-15).

So what? Peter was a hypocrite in that instance, and so Paul rebuked him. They had no differences theologically. Popes have been rebuked throughout history (e.g., by St. Catherine of Siena, St. Dominic, St. Francis). It doesn’t follow that they have no authority. Jesus rebuked and excoriated the Pharisees, but He told His followers to follow their teaching, even though they acted like hypocrites ((Matt 23:2 ff.).

You’re trying to set the Bible against the Church, which is typical Protestant methodology, and ultra-unbiblical. The Bible never does that. I’ve already given the example of the Jerusalem Council, which plainly shows the infallibility of the Church.

The Bible repeatedly teaches that the Church is indefectible; therefore, the hypothetical of rejecting the (one true, historic) Church, as supposedly going against the Bible, is impossible according to the Bible. It is not a situation that would ever come up, because of God’s promised protection.

What the Bible says is to reject those who cause divisions, which is the very essence of the onset of Protestantism: schism, sectarianism, and division. It is Protestantism that departed from the historic Church, which is indefectible and infallible (see also 1 Tim 3:15).

 

[amigo de christo]

So, you think you're Jesus? Or is it just that I don't believe in your personal interpretation of Scripture? I believe in the interpretation of Scripture intended by the original writers and the Apostles.

If there is anything I believe that you think is in opposition to Scripture, rest assured your interpretation of Scripture is in error. Why? Because I don't have to make up my own beliefs out of Scripture. I have the original interpretation of Scripture given me by Christ's Church for 2000 years to go by. As Proverbs 3:5 says, Trust in the LORD with all your heart, on your own intelligence do not rely;

You all now sound identical . this has been the mantra of the protestant church
Any time one brings correction the response is SO You THINK YOU GOD judger , you think you JESUS now .
The Harlot has taken the minds of men down a path where there is no life
and the light , the truth that could expose it , it has trained its children to accuse .
And as the RCC so too the prostestant , they can quoate the scrips
but use the scrips to fight against those who say often , WE NEED TO GET IN THE BIBLE TO LEARN for ourselves .
The harlot reigns and as she has reigned from JERUSALEM and her leaders WHO sat in jerusalem
taught and seduced the people . SO too has she taken control of Christendom and every denomination within .
MY ADVICE STANDS . GET YOURSELVES INTO THE BIBLE . this call i have made to ALLL of christendom
both the catholic and prostant realm , YOUR LEADERS HAVE SOLD YOU OUT and many have loved to have it so .

 

[amigo de christo]

Your Post #349 on 'sola scriptura' was excellent - thank you

I AGREE with you in the individual 'expression' of worship unto the LORD in the churches.

I do not believe any of the Apostles promoted 'denominations'.
They actually spoke against it rather strongly.

EXAMPLE: 1 Corinthians 1:10-14
Now I plead with you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. For it has been declared to me concerning you, my brethren, by those of Ce’s household, that there are contentions among you. Now I say this, that each of you says, “I am of Paul,” or “I am of Apollos,” or “I am of Cephas,” or “I am of Christ.” Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?

But do remember them same apostles never sought the kind of unity i smellled within his speech .
Rather let me remind us of what we know but might have let slip .
THEY WERE DARN serious about sin and error and any false doctrine that dared to enter into the church .
I mean they would have sounded like friggen monsters to this generation .
Who overlooks the sins of the many , who hollers a false version of longsuffering , of love
of unity , of liberty . And has turned the church into
a social lets just get along and have some unity club . a club that has led them into great darkness david
and into greater darkness it will lead them . BIBLE TIME .
If we want to be refreshed and stay atop , GET IN IT , STAY IN IT , and DO NOT read it from any denominaital lens .
Start afresh as though we are a weaned child just barely off the tit and learn for yourselves .
THE LORD did a great and beatiful thing for me my friend .
I had no computer for five years , I did not learn a bit of doctrine through the lens of any church
I read it for me and hours upon hours daily . THEN nearly five years went by
and i came into access of a computer . And david i began to visit also the internet christain sites
and by golly i knew we were in trouble .

 

[amigo de christo]

This is precisely where Protestantism, from it's sorry beginnings, FAILES PAUL'S TEST.
Here are some excerpts from

Dialogue with a Calvinist: Was Paul a “Lone Ranger”?​

It is incorrect to regard St. Paul as some kind of spiritual “lone ranger,” on his own with no particular ecclesiastical allegiance, since he was commissioned by Jesus Himself as an Apostle.

- In his very conversion experience, Jesus informed Paul that he would be told what to do (Acts 9:6; cf. 9:17).
- He went to see St. Peter in Jerusalem for fifteen days in order to be confirmed in his calling (Galatians 1:18),
- and fourteen years later was commissioned by Peter, James, and John (Galatians 2:1-2, 9).
- He was also sent out by the Church at Antioch (Acts 13:1-4), which was in contact with the Church at Jerusalem (Acts 11:19-27).
- Later on, Paul reported back to Antioch (Acts 14:26-28).
- Acts 15:2 states: “. . . Paul and Barnabas and some of the others were appointed to go up to Jerusalem to the apostles and the elders about this question.”
- The next verse refers to Paul and Barnabas Paul did what he was told to do by the Jerusalem Council (where he played no huge role), and Paul and Barnabas were sent off, or commissioned by the council (15:22-27),
- and shared its binding teachings in their missionary journeys: “. . . delivered to them for observance the decisions which had been reached by the apostles and elders who were at Jerusalem” (Acts 16:4).

The Jerusalem Council certainly regarded its teachings as infallible, and guided by the Holy Spirit Himself. The records we have of it don’t even record much discussion about biblical prooftexts, and the main issue was circumcision (where there is a lot of Scripture to draw from). Paul accepted its authority and proclaimed its teachings (Acts 16:4).
*
Furthermore, Paul appears to be passing on his office to Timothy (1 Tim 6:20; 2 Tim 1:6, 13-14; 2 Tim 4:1-6), and tells him to pass his office along, in turn (2 Tim 2:1-2) which would be another indication of apostolic succession in the Bible. (as Apostles share an equal vote with elders who are not Apostles in Acts 15)

The Jerusalem Council certainly regarded its teachings as infallible, and guided by the Holy Spirit Himself. The records we have of it don’t even record much discussion about biblical prooftexts, and the main issue was circumcision (where there is a lot of Scripture to draw from). Paul accepted its authority and proclaimed its teachings (Acts 16:4).

The attempt to pretend that St. Paul was somehow on his own, disconnected to the institutional Church, has always failed, as unbiblical. Protestants frown upon institutions, but we Catholics rather like the Church that Jesus Christ set up, initially led by St. Peter.*

David, if you agree that Paul was commissioned as an apostle “by Jesus Himself” then does he derive his apostleship from Jesus or from Peter?

Both. Why do you feel compelled to make a choice? It’s the usual Protestant “either/or” dichotomous mentality. Calvin does the same thing repeatedly.

And actually, why do you say that “fourteen years later was commissioned by Peter, James, and John (Galatians 2:1-2,9)”? But you leave out the intervening verses where Paul claims that these men “added nothing to his message” and that their high esteem “makes no difference” to Paul or to God. There is also the interesting incident in Gal. 2 where Paul rebukes Peter “to his face” for his “hypocriosy” because he was “not walking in line with the gospel” (Gal. 2:11-15).

So what? Peter was a hypocrite in that instance, and so Paul rebuked him. They had no differences theologically. Popes have been rebuked throughout history (e.g., by St. Catherine of Siena, St. Dominic, St. Francis). It doesn’t follow that they have no authority. Jesus rebuked and excoriated the Pharisees, but He told His followers to follow their teaching, even though they acted like hypocrites ((Matt 23:2 ff.).

You’re trying to set the Bible against the Church, which is typical Protestant methodology, and ultra-unbiblical. The Bible never does that. I’ve already given the example of the Jerusalem Council, which plainly shows the infallibility of the Church.

The Bible repeatedly teaches that the Church is indefectible; therefore, the hypothetical of rejecting the (one true, historic) Church, as supposedly going against the Bible, is impossible according to the Bible. It is not a situation that would ever come up, because of God’s promised protection.

What the Bible says is to reject those who cause divisions, which is the very essence of the onset of Protestantism: schism, sectarianism, and division. It is Protestantism that departed from the historic Church, which is indefectible and infallible (see also 1 Tim 3:15).

paul was not a lone ranger . And he , nor peter , nor any other apostle
would have sat under THE HARLOT . but i see many do today . Peter would have warned everyone
to get the heck out of the RCC , have no part in this monster that has seduced the people into a lie
but dont just think i accuse the RCC , heck the apostels would have pretty much told folks GET THE HECK out of these sold out
churches within christendom and fast . Cause the house has fallen to the vices of men gone long wrong .
and now lead this people to unify again as one WITH MOTHER HARLOT . mother harlot has many prostestant daughters now
Heck she has even infiltrated the false religoins . But as ususal she always comes in
and blends the pagan to appease the pagan . She a WHORE my friend .
What came upon the jews has come upon Christendom . And as JERSUALEM was destroyed
for its rejection of JESUS THE CHRIST so too will this world and the united christendom and all religoins as they merge as one
again to a love , to a call for unity a call for reconicilation
that DENIED JESUS THE CHRIST and rather sought to appease men to simply reconcile as one . ITS NOT LOOKING GOOD
mr jude . BIBLE TIME my dear friend . BIBLE TIME .

 

[amigo de christo]

Your Post #349 on 'sola scriptura' was excellent - thank you

I AGREE with you in the individual 'expression' of worship unto the LORD in the churches.

I do not believe any of the Apostles promoted 'denominations'.
They actually spoke against it rather strongly.

EXAMPLE: 1 Corinthians 1:10-14
Now I plead with you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. For it has been declared to me concerning you, my brethren, by those of Ce’s household, that there are contentions among you. Now I say this, that each of you says, “I am of Paul,” or “I am of Apollos,” or “I am of Cephas,” or “I am of Christ.” Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?

This might sound mean , hateful and harsh to this generation but i am gonna warn and remind .
So on that note , DO not heed a word of this jude thadeus either . They just twist stuff .
I know , everyone will accuse me of being some kind of hater . NO SIR , i look out is what i do .
To this generation , in large , if one had stood and told
a man who was warning out against that prophetess jezebel and call her a false etc
THEY WOULD HAVE SAID YOU JUDGMENTAL PIECE of trash ,
Rather odd though . GOD sure was ANGRY and not well pleased that folks
were even ALLOWING a false prophtess to teach and to seduce the people . WELL GUESS what
I KNOW the RCC is bad , i know there are many false teachers and false doctrine .
And i am not here to please men but to do all i can to expose what is false and to help this people .

 

[amigo de christo]

Your Post #349 on 'sola scriptura' was excellent - thank you

I AGREE with you in the individual 'expression' of worship unto the LORD in the churches.

I do not believe any of the Apostles promoted 'denominations'.
They actually spoke against it rather strongly.

EXAMPLE: 1 Corinthians 1:10-14
Now I plead with you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. For it has been declared to me concerning you, my brethren, by those of Ce’s household, that there are contentions among you. Now I say this, that each of you says, “I am of Paul,” or “I am of Apollos,” or “I am of Cephas,” or “I am of Christ.” Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?

STAND and contend for the true faith . The more we learn the letters o the apostels , the gospels
revelation and all bible doctrine the far better off folks would have been .
WE GOT WOLVES in WOOL all over the places . THEY have infiltrated
even bringing in another gospel and yet many folks just continue to gather with them
and bull dog men like me that warn THEY FOLLOW a false gospel and that we ought not to heed once these men .
TIS all becoming about lets find a way to get along , THAT my dear sir will be the END of all who do so
they will fall , they will merge and they will love a lie and end up damned .
THERE WAS GOOD reason FOR EVERYTHING GOD SAID . IT WAS FOR US , FROM EVERY WARNING
to every good thing we should have done . IT WAS FOR OUR WELFARE
that we DO NOT HEED the things or do the things or lust after the the things the evil did .
EVERYTHING written in that bible , IS MEAT FOR OUR SOUL . EVERY WORD OF IT david . EVERY WORD of it .

 

[amigo de christo]

Your Post #349 on 'sola scriptura' was excellent - thank you

I AGREE with you in the individual 'expression' of worship unto the LORD in the churches.

I do not believe any of the Apostles promoted 'denominations'.
They actually spoke against it rather strongly.

EXAMPLE: 1 Corinthians 1:10-14
Now I plead with you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. For it has been declared to me concerning you, my brethren, by those of Ce’s household, that there are contentions among you. Now I say this, that each of you says, “I am of Paul,” or “I am of Apollos,” or “I am of Cephas,” or “I am of Christ.” Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?

already men like me are being seen as extremist . already others have too .
by a generation within christendom that thinks its knows love and GOD yet knows neither LOVE OR GOD .
This generation has long been taught about the dangers of just sticking to the bible . A LIE of course
but they know how to twist stuff , USE the bad examples to convince this people ITS DANGEROUS TO LEARN
that bible for themselves and TO SEE US WHo do so as being extremists , even potentitial terroists
no different than even ISIS or and others . YOU THINK this is not being done , IF SO you would be wrong .
i have myself been told that i am no different than ISIS and other dangerous fundamnetalits
THEY ARE BEING brainwashed david . to see us as extremist , even dangerous and laws are about
TO BE ENFORCED that this sold out generation will have no problem with . Laws
that even can round folks like me up , ALL because i would not conform but stayed IN THE BIBLE and tested all agaisnt said bible .
OH david its at the door my friend . our betrayer and our betrayal came FROM WITHIN CHRISTENDOM
and even those within it will help to betray us to authorities when once the law cometh to do so .

 

[amigo de christo]

Your Post #349 on 'sola scriptura' was excellent - thank you

I AGREE with you in the individual 'expression' of worship unto the LORD in the churches.

I do not believe any of the Apostles promoted 'denominations'.
They actually spoke against it rather strongly.

EXAMPLE: 1 Corinthians 1:10-14
Now I plead with you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. For it has been declared to me concerning you, my brethren, by those of Ce’s household, that there are contentions among you. Now I say this, that each of you says, “I am of Paul,” or “I am of Apollos,” or “I am of Cephas,” or “I am of Christ.” Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?

ask many what they THINK is a christain extremist . start asking david
but do be prepared to weep .
EVEN saying or beleiving one must beleive iN JESUS THE CHRIST to be saved
Is gonna soon be seen as extremism , even now its seen as not necessary .
I have watched this pope and others . THEY are gearing and steering this united religoins and world
to see the TRUE Lambs as extremist , dangerous and in the way of their beloved world peace n safety .
And you would be suprised to see how many actually even beleive GOD is okay
with all religoins and that one does not necessarily have to even BELIEVE JESUS is the CHRIST .
Its bad david . real bad .