There is only one true church

[David in NJ]

I wouldn't put the CC in the same category as the Mormon church.

But that's not what I'm interested in.
What I mean is that, yes, the CC does have some incorrect doctrine, IMHO.

But isn't it also pretty bad when one says the word PROTESTANT and we don't really know what/which belief system is being referred to?

But isn't it also pretty bad when one says the word PROTESTANT and we don't really know what/which belief system is being referred to?

Correct
Which is why i stated this Truth from God's Word:

ALL denominations are ineligible to call themselves "the One True Church" for NONE are the One True Church of Christ.

 

[Augustin56]

Hi Augustin, I have wondered about that myself.. what Paul was referring to. What are those oral teachings that the apostles handed down?

forgive me if you already answered that. I did not read all of this thread,. it's very long.

Hey, PS95! The oral teachings were the oral teachings of Christ to the Apostles, who passed them on to their successors, the bishops. It is these oral teaching from which the New Testament was written. Jesus didn't write a book. He taught orally.

We have, in our modern mind, lots of stuff is written down, most people can read, we have computers, cameras, videos, etc. That was't the case, though in ancient times. The vast majority of humanity was illiterate until the last 100 years in history, give or take.

 

[David in NJ]

For what you posted to be true, had to have been no Church until the 16th century when Protestants showed up on the scene. (Actually, they were Catholics who broke away from the Church.) And, suddenly, mankind was lifted out of darkness to the fullness of truth by one of the thousands (and counting) denominations, none of whom totally agree with one another (else why would they create a new denomination?).

If Protestantism had any hope of being true, there would be one Protestant denomination, with all believing the same thing. The opposite, however, is true.

All you've done, in effect, is state that the Catholic Church, which has been here from the beginning, doesn't agree with your personal interpretation of a translation of the Bible given you by the Catholic Church. Sad!

The 'Church' began in Genesis

 

[Augustin56]

Correct
Which is why i stated this Truth from God's Word:

ALL denominations are ineligible to call themselves "the One True Church" for NONE are the One True Church of Christ.

One does. The original one. The Catholic Church.

Otherwise, we have absolutely no certitude of truth whatsoever. All we have are lots of personal opinions. Do you think that's what Christ left us? Or do you think He left us with a sure way to know the entirety of His truths that He revealed to mankind through the Apostles?

 

[GodsGrace]

Correct
Which is why i stated this Truth from God's Word:

ALL denominations are ineligible to call themselves "the One True Church" for NONE are the One True Church of Christ.

Agreed.
So now what?
Do we still go to church?
My sis in law stopped going to Any church.
Jesus said to remember Him.
Do we stop receiving communion?
I'm feeling like no denomination has the full truth.

 

[GodsGrace]

One does. The original one. The Catholic Church.

Otherwise, we have absolutely no certitude of truth whatsoever. All we have are lots of personal opinions. Do you think that's what Christ left us? Or do you think He left us with a sure way to know the entirety of His truths that He revealed to mankind through the Apostles?

I do believe that the CC is the original church.
Wish it had stayed as it was in the beginning.
I mean just up to 325AD

 

[PS95]

Hey, PS95! The oral teachings were the oral teachings of Christ to the Apostles, who passed them on to their successors, the bishops. It is these oral teaching from which the New Testament was written. Jesus didn't write a book. He taught orally.

We have, in our modern mind, lots of stuff is written down, most people can read, we have computers, cameras, videos, etc. That was't the case, though in ancient times. The vast majority of humanity was illiterate until the last 100 years in history, give or take.

Ok. I gotcha. I'm sorry I totally misunderstood.

 

[GodsGrace]

For what you posted to be true, had to have been no Church until the 16th century when Protestants showed up on the scene. (Actually, they were Catholics who broke away from the Church.) And, suddenly, mankind was lifted out of darkness to the fullness of truth by one of the thousands (and counting) denominations, none of whom totally agree with one another (else why would they create a new denomination?).

If Protestantism had any hope of being true, there would be one Protestant denomination, with all believing the same thing. The opposite, however, is true.

All you've done, in effect, is state that the Catholic Church, which has been here from the beginning, doesn't agree with your personal interpretation of a translation of the Bible given you by the Catholic Church. Sad!

Yes.
You're second paragraph is correct.

 

[PS95]

I do believe that the CC is the original church.
Wish it had stayed as it was in the beginning.
I mean just up to 325AD

Me too. I can't get my head around the new stuff at all.

 

[GodsGrace]

Hi Augustin, I have wondered about that myself.. what Paul was referring to. What are those oral teachings that the apostles handed down?

forgive me if you already answered that. I did not read all of this thread,. it's very long.

PS95
Let's see if @Augustin56 agrees with me...
It sounds to me like you should be reading the ECFs. Pre-Nicene.

 

[David in NJ]

One does. The original one. The Catholic Church.

Otherwise, we have absolutely no certitude of truth whatsoever. All we have are lots of personal opinions. Do you think that's what Christ left us? Or do you think He left us with a sure way to know the entirety of His truths that He revealed to mankind through the Apostles?

So you believe that man is the measure of all things, whereby men oppose God by masquerading as if they were 'the vicar of Christ'.

 

[GodsGrace]

Me too. I can't get my head around the new stuff at all.

Oops.
Maybe you know the early Father's!

 

[David in NJ]

I do believe that the CC is the original church.
Wish it had stayed as it was in the beginning.
I mean just up to 325AD

The Church that Christ established never was a part of the CC.

RCC came into it's self-proclaimed prowess after the Apostles went Home to the LORD.

The Holy Spirit has always 'protested/exposed' falsehood even as HE does so Today.

 

[GodsGrace]

The Church that Christ established never was a part of the CC.

RCC came into it's self-proclaimed prowess after the Apostles went Home to the LORD.

The Holy Spirit has always 'protested/exposed' falsehood even as HE does so Today.

Let me ask you this:
Which church fought the early heresies?
Were there Bishops in the early church?
Did Jesus leave anyone in charge?

I mean, I try to discuss church history sometimes and I'm told it's not in the bible.

The world continued after Jesus ascended.

Hope you reply, but tomorrow for me.

 

[David in NJ]

Let me ask you this:
Which church fought the early heresies?
Were there Bishops in the early church?
Did Jesus leave anyone in charge?

I mean, I try to discuss church history sometimes and I'm told it's not in the bible.

The world continued after Jesus ascended.

Hope you reply, but tomorrow for me.

Ok
See you tomorrow and have a Good Night.

 

[David in NJ]

Let me ask you this:
Which church fought the early heresies?
Were there Bishops in the early church?
Did Jesus leave anyone in charge?

I mean, I try to discuss church history sometimes and I'm told it's not in the bible.

The world continued after Jesus ascended.

Hope you reply, but tomorrow for me.

Shalom

 

[David in NJ]

One does. The original one. The Catholic Church.

Otherwise, we have absolutely no certitude of truth whatsoever. All we have are lots of personal opinions. Do you think that's what Christ left us? Or do you think He left us with a sure way to know the entirety of His truths that He revealed to mankind through the Apostles?

Otherwise, we have absolutely no certitude of truth whatsoever.

Sola Scriptura STRONGLY disagrees as does the LORD who gave us sola scriptura.

Or do you think He left us with a sure way to know the entirety of His truths that He revealed to mankind through the Apostles?

The LORD Jesus Christ absolutely left us His WAY to Truth.

 

[Augustin56]

Sola Scriptura STRONGLY disagrees as does the LORD who gave us sola scriptura.


The LORD Jesus Christ absolutely left us His WAY to Truth.

Really? What did the first Christians believe, since they didn't have a Bible? How did they learn about Jesus? The vast majority of them couldn't read anyway.

Remind me, in the Bible, where Jesus gave anyone a book as their guide?

Oh, wait! I know! Jesus waited 16 centuries until more people could read, then invented Protestantism, gave everyone a Bible, and said, "Whatever you personally interpret out of this book will be My truth!" Right?

 

[David in NJ]

Agreed.
So now what?
Do we still go to church?
My sis in law stopped going to Any church.
Jesus said to remember Him.
Do we stop receiving communion?
I'm feeling like no denomination has the full truth.

We continue as the Apostles continued.

Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.”

And with many other words he testified and exhorted them, saying, “Be saved from this perverse generation.” Then those who gladly received his word were baptized; and that day about three thousand souls were added to them. And they continued steadfastly in the apostles’ doctrine and fellowship, in the breaking of bread, and in prayers. Then fear came upon every soul, and many wonders and signs were done through the apostles. Now all who believed were together, and had all things in common, and sold their possessions and goods, and divided them among all, as anyone had need.

So continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, they ate their food with gladness and simplicity of heart, praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily those who were being saved.

 

[David in NJ]

Really? What did the first Christians believe, since they didn't have a Bible? How did they learn about Jesus? The vast majority of them couldn't read anyway.

Remind me, in the Bible, where Jesus gave anyone a book as their guide?

Oh, wait! I know! Jesus waited 16 centuries until more people could read, then invented Protestantism, gave everyone a Bible, and said, "Whatever you personally interpret out of this book will be My truth!" Right?

Really? What did the first Christians believe, since they didn't have a Bible?

They believed God's Word.

Remind me, in the Bible, where Jesus gave anyone a book as their guide?

Then Jesus said to them, “O foolish ones, and slow of heart to believe in all that the prophets have spoken!
Ought not the Christ to have suffered these things and to enter into His glory?”
And beginning at Moses and all the Prophets, He expounded to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning Himself.