There is only one true church
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Ah yes, the first official denomination...
There is, however, a catholic (universal) church, and this is Christ's Church, which, for now, is still yet invisible, in the sense that we can't see who all are actually "members"... yet. The only thing we can really say for sure is that they are all born again of the Spirit and as a result in Christ... else they would not be members.
Grace and peace to you, Augustin.
Augustin56
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Yes. They believed God's Word...delivered to them how? The Bible wasn't written yet. How did they get God's Word?
Augustin56
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The Catholic Church was, by far, the original (and only) Church founded by Christ. It wasn't a denomination because there were no others. Then, in 1054 A.D., the Orthodox splintered off, but retained Apostolic Succession and, therefore, all seven Sacraments. Protestantism didn't begin until the 16th century, and was started by rebel Catholics (yes, all the Reformers were originally Catholics). And Protestantism has continually spintered into literally tens of thousand of man-made, doctrinally contradicting denominations, where each individual is his/her own final authority (Pope, if you will). How anyone can imagine that this approach is in any way legitimate is beyond me.
Christ's Church is not invisible. It is very visible, with a visible heirarchy, established by Christ. Christ chose Apostles, giving them His authority here on earth. (See John 20:21) The Apostles, likewise, passed this authority on to their successors, the bishops, who have done likewise down through the ages until today. Today's Catholic bishops have Christ's authority, given to them by their predecessors.
Authority is given not taken. No one gave anyone the authority to start a church or denomination apart from the one founded by Christ, Himself.
amigo de christo
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the ones i speak of are mentioned in the bible its their letters . as far as others who wrote later
very few letters have passed the test . But i didnt read all their letters either .
Augstine , HIMS AS BAD NEWS . sorry if that offends folks , but man hims was bad news
HE knew enough truth to make himself dangerous .
Polycarp , i think i read one of his letters
and i think one of ignatius . I cant remember now its been a long time ago .
But believe me when i say , POLYCARP , from what i remember
WOULD NOT have supported the RCC of later years . NOT even close my friend .
Somewhere along the lines , and i dont know when exactly
MEN did infilitrate , and boy they screwed it all up .
amigo de christo
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Who is that of anti christ . He who believes not that JESUS IS THE CHRIST .
now lets go look again at the all inclusive religon , the one i see most falling in love with
the one that implies other relgions are fine and serve the same GOD we do . THAT IS ANTI CHRIST pard .
The true church fought the heresies .
Who ran the early church . THE apostels FROM JERUSALEM . go read acts .
YES there were bishops , elders , deacons etc . And look at those serveral letters paul wrote concering them .
Blameless , GRAVE , SINCERE , i sure dont see that today
and notice WOMEN were not allowed into such roles . OOOPS i dont see that today .
YES , JESUS left the apostels in charge . THERE was no singel pope that ruled over the other eleven .
ALL governed over the church . Though peter was mentioned in serveral places .
Now lets look real close at the actions of peter ,
WHEN men ran up to them because they saw the miracle performed by peter and john with him
What did peter say , WHY LOOK YE ON US . i didnt seem him say hey john pull up my chair so thse folks
CAN GO AHEAD and KNEEL BEFORE ME and KISS MY RING and perhaps rub on my fancy decked out robe .
SOMETHIGN went wrong my friend .
But lets look again and see what peter told the household of cornelious
when he entered in and cornelious tried to KNEEL before HIM .
HE didnt say OKAY KNEEL AND KISS MY RING , HE SAID GET THE HECK UP i am but a man .
AGAIN something went wrong my friend .
WHY do i see names and titles like MOST HOLY FATHER , MOST HOLY REVERAND
WHY do i see such leaders getting kneeled before and having rings kissed
and all decked out in long gorgeious robes and loving the flattering titles . again SOMETHING WENT WRONG .
Agreed on all, including Augustine.
The only reason the church paid any attention to him was because he was a very good debater and there were many heresies at that time.
He was very influential.
But he changed his mind about things....
PREDESTINATION
FREE WILL
He brought his gnostic teachings into the church and it even changed why infants were baptized.
Some of the fathers listed are listed as fathers, really were gnostic so you have to be careful who you read.
I'm not an expert by any means...so I stick to the ones I trust.
You mentioned:
Polycarp.......good, taught by John.
Ignatius of Antioch ......maybe my favorite....taught by Peter and John
and
Clement of Rome ..... he was mentioned in one of the letters (can't remember right now)...taught by Paul and Peter
Also trustworthy:
Justin Martyr
Irenaeus
Clement of Alexandria
Hippolytus
Tatian
then they start to be too far out...
amigo de christo
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some of us have loved to read our bible .
now if we look at acts
we can see that if a problem arose that needed to be answered , THEY TOOK IT to JERSUALEM
where sat the apostels , well i mean to say WHERE HID the apostels , cause man they were hunted and persecuted .
But it was the ORIGNIAL twelve , not judas , but mathias who later go put in by lot .
That actually sat over the entire churches . They set even the guidlines
by which other men , other true leaders would also folllow and teach .
The church began so good . so very good in the things of GOD . and man the gospel was at the forefront
Correction was always made if one was in error .
They set such a good pattern for all things , correction , scripture learning , and all things to keep a church
safe and growing . MEN screwd it up and it just keeps getting worse all the time my friend .
Leaders . were supposed to have well KNOWN the truth , known scripture , been tested
before ever being put into a leadership postion .
THATS GONE and at most its learn our denmiontial view on what scrips say .
That got worse too
now its they hunt for the most jel haired kid who can woo and entertain a crowd
novices lead , women lead , heck unrepentant sinners now lead .
and the only thing that does get corrected is THE BIBLICAL TRUTH if one dares to use the bible to correct sin .
Its bad my friend . leaven has filled the places up . they should have kept the pattern .
PURGE out the leaven , put that man out etc . no they just picked away more and more of the original pattern
TILL NOW most christains have no idea what Christinaity has lost and worse that they themselves are still lost .
As they honor the god who accepts their sins , their beliefs . it aint looking good my freind .
But i will expose them and their false doctrine .
NOW someone has to do something to help this people and to expose these wolves .
and by golly if that someone has to be me , THEN ITS GONNA BE ME . I Do as i do not out of hate
BUT OUT OF LOVE for the peoples , even though the more i do love , it seems the more i be hated for my love .
cause my love does correct .
I wasn't speaking about today.
I've been speaking of the early church into the second and third centuries.
There were Bishops and deacons even after Jesus...
The church DID continue.
It didn't end when Revelation was written.
I can't get into the history again.
It's out there for anyone to find if they want to.
Women were not allowed to preach.....
correct.
And they aren't even to this day in the CC.
I think also in the Assy of God....
not sure about the rest.
Most denominations have given up and have become very liberal.
Let me say that the young are not looking for liberal churches....
they want a church that can lead them.
It's man-made stuff that Jesus never wanted.
amigo de christo
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Why would a seasoned leader become or start to become too far out . I worry about them my friend .
And more so why were the wrong letters kept . they should have been disregaured .
IF i see a bad letter , I aint gonna keep it for the church . so sounds to me like some already had zero discernement .
But anyway i was not there . cant really talk too much about that . ALL i can do now is expose the many errors
i see today . and friend , ITS A FULL TIME JOB. heck more and more even come at me
for saying WE MUST EVEN BELEIVE ON JESUS the CHRIST as they now support this anti christ lie
that all relgiions serve the same GOD . ITS BAd my friend and getting worse .
BUt at least some do hear . but most fight tooth and nail . tooth and nail against simple TRUTH . i dont teach
anything complex . but you would be amazed at how hated the gospel is
and any teachingthat contradicts a denominational one or expose ones sin . man the most loving group
that seems to holler love all day , SURE DONT SEEM TO LOVE TRUTH . and that SCARES ME BIG TIME FOR THEM .
amigo de christo
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Oh i know the pattern for bishops and deacons didnt end . There was always to be seasoned men
to help lead and to lead the church . the problem is , TRY FINDING ones who aint already tanked .
That is very tough my friend . most of them and i mean most are flat out wolves in wool
while some , some just needed to sit down and learn far better before they ever stood up .
But most are wolves my friend . I dont mean men who might err at times , I MEAN FULL GROWN WOLVES in WOOL .
that is not an accusatoin , its a fact .
amigo de christo
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many teach this ended when or etc
gifts ceasesed when or etc .
I dont heed a word they say . JESUS be the same yesterday and today .
cessatiionsim is false . now that might sting but its true .
BUT BELEIVE me when i say LOOK OUT for the charsemtic realm THAT THING IS GONE TO THE WIND my friend . THEY GONE .
The liberal realm IS LONG GONE and the Conservatives now run a foot race wtih them to see who gonna finish first
in the race for deceptoin . EVEN some of the decent churches have tanked and went to the wayside
with this inclusive social gospel junk . the bible is not the BOOK anymore . and IF It is used
its here let me explain why my denomiation or belief is right , EVEN WHEN IT CONTRADICTS a TON of other scrips in the bible .
Friend its went from bad to worse and very fast in these last days too . But the LORD still has a church of believers
they are scattered here and there across the globe . But few they are and that is a fact .
I am hoping , however the massive number of lukewarm will begin to repent asap .
David in NJ
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The REAL question is: Why are you not able to perceive the words of Christ???
Then Jesus said to them, “O foolish ones, and slow of heart to believe in all that the prophets have spoken!
Ought not the Christ to have suffered these things and to enter into His glory?”
And beginning at Moses and all the Prophets, He expounded to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning Himself.
Augustin56
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So, you can't answer my question? Or is it that you don't want to answer my question?
amigo de christo
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Beware of men , beware of the well favored harlot .
Many men will pretty much only beleive what their so called ................
says is the WORD of GOD . they will not hear the truth
they will hear and heed only the voice of their institution and leaders . THIS IS HOW THEY FALL .
IT IS AN Absolute and dire must we get this people back into the bible again .
but many have not the love of the truth and cannot hear , lest a man speaks what they desire to hear as truth .
THE WORDS OF GOD are not their truth or their meat . At best
its twisted doctrine for dinner tonight with a splash of whaever flavor their teacher adds on for spice .
THE WORD has no flavor to them , lest their teacher adds his spice to it . AND THAT IS HOW THEY FALL .
David in NJ
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Your question has been answered by the LORD Jesus Christ who says to you:
@Augustin56, why are you foolish and SLOW of heart in not believing the Scriptures beginning with Moses and all the Prophets!"
amigo de christo
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its coming in too fast even in this place for me to stop it my freind .
ALL ARE GOING HOME in time to the well favored harlot
who has sung her song of a false incluisive love to unite all the faiths and false religoins to merge
as one under what she deems as GOD and love . David , i cant keep up with it at all anymore .
Folks are too distracted , either with politics , with whatever . they will find common ground
with anything so long as it agrees with either their politician , or etc .
And that my friend will be THEIR END RUIN . mark them words . they planed this out david .
THEY did this . but who did this through them , the dark one did , he used men
to build his own empire and to prepare the hearts and minds
unto what they and who they will believe is GOD and love . ONLY , BELIEVE YOU ME the DEVIL DONT LEAD ONE TO GOD
but rather to himself AS GOD . i cant stop it david . i always knew i could not stop it
but its very hard to my soul to watch this people stumble right down that path .
amigo de christo
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They dont want it anymore if ever they did . Bring the bible and folks just do not want it anymore david .
For years , for years david i have done what i could and they will not listen .
This brings the most sadness to my heart , sometimes i feel so heavy and down for them that all i can do is weep .
THEY JUST DONT want the TRUTH anymore david . they want the mix my friend the lies and the lie that giveth
them the desires of their own hearts and the idea they have salvation . but the lie nor the liar of lies will or can give
them salvation , only DELUSION can it give them .
David in NJ
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i will NEVER return to that Harlot.
For i have been BORN-AGAIN by the SPIRIT of GOD.
Not only that but the LORD baptized me in His Holy Spirit.
No pope, no church, no religion could ever do for me what the LORD has Done for us!
And now let the weak say i am STRONG
Let the poor say i am RICH
Let the blind say now i SEE
Because of what the LORD has Done for us!
amigo de christo
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