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I'd also like to add that Martin Luther wanted to remove the book of James from Canon because it spoke about doing works...or...works having something to do with justification.
Martin Luther thought that what James wrote didn't express the "nature of the Gospel," that it appeared to contradict Paul's statements about justification by faith, and that it didn't directly mention Christ. He was wrong about it not expressing the nature of the Gospel, and about it contradicting Paul's statements. He didn't understand James 2 in particular correctly, namely that the Christian's good works are the natural result and outward expression of the living faith Christians have been given, that if we say we have God-given faith but there are no works that are the outward expression of the faith within, then the faith that person says they have is a dead faith. Nobody is perfect. :)

I'd also add that ANY new teaching from the early church can be considered as false.
Ah, well, if it is not of the Holy Spirit, yes, which is actually an argument for sola Scriptura... <smile>

Including the teachings of Augustine of Hippo, which the reformed faith uses as an excuse to follow the teachings of a mere man, John Calvin.
As I have said, John Calvin himself said ~ of himself ~ that "Augustine is so much at one with me that, if I wished to write a confession of my faith, it would abundantly satisfy me to quote wholesale from his writings." And to that point, on average, one of every four pages written in John Calvin's two-volume Institutes of the Christian Religion contain direct quotes from Augustine. So, in understanding John Calvin to be correct regarding Scripture, that same person is also necessarily understanding Augustine ~ who lived approximately 1100 years before Calvin and only 300 to 400 years after Christ ~ to be correct, so much as to say the Calvinist is also necessarily to be an Augustinian. <smile>

Augustine spent 10 years in a gnostic manachean sect before joining the CC.
And Paul was a murderous non-Christian before the events described in Acts 9... God can certainly change the hearts of any one of His creatures...

He brought some of his gnostic beliefs with him including:
Predestination
Absence of free will
Well, Paul talks about predestination, so we all have to believe there truly is such a thing, because now we're talking about God's Word...

And "absence of free will..." It depends on how we look at it, actually:

There is a certain sense ~ meaning humanly speaking, from our perspective ~ our will is free. Certainly, we make our own decisions about things, so yes, we are free to think what we want to think and decide what we want to decide.​
However, from a different perspective, all sorts of things influence us to think or do anything we do, even causing us to change our minds or alter the actions we might have taken otherwise. So in that sense there is no such thing, even humanly speaking, as free will... something from outside of us always determines and even in a certain sense dictates what we think or do.​

With regard to salvation and whose will we actually do, Jesus is very clear that people always do the will of the one who (or Who) is their father, who (or Who) they are of, either the devil or God the Father. If the person is still dead in his or her sin, his or her father is the devil, he or she is of the devil, and he or she will always do the will of the devil. But, if the person is born again of the Spirit, then he or she is of God, and he or she will always do the will of God. There is no in-between or "neutral," and in that sense no "free." We are either slaves to sin or slaves to righteousness.

...did a good job with Pelagius.
So odd that you say that...

...the CC accepted his teaching on infant baptism...
The Catholic Church does have some good things about it... :) Well, pretty good anyway...

...the notion of double predestination, which is what John Calvin taught and which in no way can be compatible to the teachings of the NT.
I'm really not sure how the Catholic Church understands "double predestination," to be quite honest. And I don't really care; God chose who He chose from before the foundation of the world, and predestined these for adoption to Himself as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of His will (Paul, Ephesians 1). This is the only kind of predestination spoken of throughout Scripture. However, we can say ~ and really have to ~ that God purposely chose who He chose, as Paul is very clear about that, and that necessarily means that not choosing those whom he did not choose was also purposeful. And that fits perfectly with what this same Paul says in Romans 9, that "(God) has mercy on whomever He wills, and (God) hardens whomever He wills" (Romans 9:18).

Augustine was the only authoritative person in the CC to teach such...
Maybe, but I doubt he was the only one who believed as he did. The inference I drew above really has to be attributed to Paul himself.

NO ECF BEFORE HIM ever taught such incorrect doctrine and/or changed the nature of God the way that the reformed have. They seem to proudly credit these incorrect teachings to a church (via Augustine) they otherwise loathe.
<eye roll>

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True.
I'd also like to add that Martin Luther wanted to remove the book of James from Canon because it spoke about doing works...or...works having something to do with justification.

I'd also add that ANY new teaching from the early church can be considered as false.
Including the teachings of Augustine of Hippo, which the reformed faith uses as an excuse to follow the teachings of a mere man, John Calvin.
Augustine spent 10 years in a gnostic manachean sect before joining the CC.

He brought some of his gnostic beliefs with him including:
Predestination
Absence of free will

At the time the church did not ex-communicate him because he came in handy....he was a good debater and did a good job with Pelagius.
He had a lot of charisma and, I'm sorry to say, the CC accepted his teaching on infant baptism...

However, the CC has abandoned the notion that man does not have free will,
and it certainly has abandoned the notion of double predestination, which is what John Calvin taught and which in no way can be compatible to the teachings of the NT.

Augustine was the only authoritative person in the CC to teach such...
NO ECF BEFORE HIM ever taught such incorrect doctrine and/or changed the nature of God the way that the reformed have.
They seem to proudly credit these incorrect teachings to a church (via Augustine) they otherwise loathe.
I have a saying my friend . Get well dug in the bible
and if anyone teaches a thing contrary to any of it , Dont heed it .
I know lots of folks that try and pit paul against james , peter against paul
try and imply also that certain letters written applied to jewish beleivers only
they pit paul against Christ . they try and act like the scriptures our their preztel and they can twist and bend and even omit
or add their own sprinkles to it . Do not heed a one o them my friend .
From page one to page the end , ever letter to every gospel the apostels also left us
IS for the CHURCH . There are not two gospels one for the jews one for the gentile .
EVERY letter written from the apostels was written to BELIEVERS , believing jews and gentiles .
And every word written way back then Applies the same today . Get a big ol heavy dose of bible reading .
I even tested early church fathers against it and found quite some problems .
The sixty six apply to us and if any word , any other letter , any thought or any idea , a man or a talking donkey or angel
says otherwise , DO not heed it . its real simple . its men who complicated things with their own pre conceived ideals .
 

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I have a saying my friend . Get well dug in the bible
and if anyone teaches a thing contrary to any of it , Dont heed it .
I know lots of folks that try and pit paul against james , peter against paul
try and imply also that certain letters written applied to jewish beleivers only
they pit paul against Christ . they try and act like the scriptures our their preztel and they can twist and bend and even omit
or add their own sprinkles to it . Do not heed a one o them my friend .
From page one to page the end , ever letter to every gospel the apostels also left us
IS for the CHURCH . There are not two gospels one for the jews one for the gentile .
EVERY letter written from the apostels was written to BELIEVERS , believing jews and gentiles .
And every word written way back then Applies the same today . Get a big ol heavy dose of bible reading .
I even tested early church fathers against it and found quite some problems .
The sixty six apply to us and if any word , any other letter , any thought or any idea , a man or a talking donkey or angel
says otherwise , DO not heed it . its real simple . its men who complicated things with their own pre conceived ideals .
try and imply also that certain letters written applied to jewish beleivers only
Very dangerous and divides the Body of Christ

From page one to page the end , ever letter to every gospel the apostels also left us
ABSOLUTELY TRUE

And remember, there were no early church fathers.

There is only the the WORD that became flesh, the Prophets and the Apostles

All who were saved after the Apostles, including today, are Blood Washed Saints
We who abide in Christ are Members of the Body of Christ built upon Christ/the Apostles/the Prophets unto a Holy Spiritual Temple.
 
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Very dangerous and divides the Body of Christ


ABSOLUTELY TRUE

And remember, there were no early church fathers.

There is only the the WORD that became flesh, the Prophets and the Apostles

All who were saved after the Apostles, including today, are Blood Washed Saints
We who abide in Christ are Members of the Body of Christ built upon Christ/the Apostles/the Prophets unto a Holy Spiritual Temple.
Yes indeed my friend . march ever onwards in the glorious Lord
To he be the glory to He be the praise and all thanksgiving .
I have a friendly reminder to us all .
Would you , me or any of us unite with satan to support a common cause .
NO way . SO dont unite with the false religoins either
This is a snare and a trap . I see what these elites are doing and they are using BOTH sides of politcs
the churches and false relgions to decieve the entire world . This lamb wont have any part or lott in their
false solutoins . now hit the trenches my friend .
 

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Yes indeed my friend . march ever onwards in the glorious Lord
To he be the glory to He be the praise and all thanksgiving .
I have a friendly reminder to us all .
Would you , me or any of us unite with satan to support a common cause .
NO way . SO dont unite with the false religoins either
This is a snare and a trap . I see what these elites are doing and they are using BOTH sides of politcs
the churches and false relgions to decieve the entire world . This lamb wont have any part or lott in their
false solutoins . now hit the trenches my friend .
"it's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled"

no fooling around with JESUS

Good Night Brother
 
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I don't suppose you could find a more hateful, misleading source than "Remnantofgod", that has nothing to do with the topic, could you? The topic is sola scriptura, so why post such venomous anti-Catholic garbage as such?

 
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"it's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled"

no fooling around with JESUS

Good Night Brother
There is a saying , Who is the bigger fool
the FOOL or he who follows the fool . we got a problem my friend .
When the fool runs the school and the people sit and over every word it speaks do drool , WELL they aint gonna make it .
 

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I don't suppose you could find a more hateful, misleading source than "Remnantofgod", that has nothing to do with the topic, could you?

from the religious denomaintions of men , including the RCC , to the BIBLE . that is all i can say .
I already know the evangelical realm has tanked as has the RCC .
Its time we do us some picking up the bible and reading time . Its not heavy at all and its a joy to read .
learning time folks cause men are duping the heck out of this world , and much of christendom too .
 
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The RCC did this many years sooner . I cant tell you exactly when , but it was darn early on my friend .
UPON this POPE i build my church and it shall wear large clothes and ye shall kneel before it and kiss its ring .
SOMETHING PETER WOULD NEVER have allowed to be done to himself .
 

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Correct
Which is why i stated this Truth from God's Word:


ALL denominations are ineligible to call themselves "the One True Church" for NONE are the One True Church of Christ.
the lambs are the church . from the RCC to the many who claimed their name , I would not heed a one of them my friend .
Men love to lord over men my friend . they just love to have the praise and worship of men .
OH i know true leaders are needed , but true leaders dont contradict the scriptures
and also true leaders would not have men to bow before them and kiss their ring either .
As for the mormon church . Joseph smith was able to indentify some errors of the RCC and modern churches
and yet HE DID as many do , HE led them into even greater darkness .
I seen this with the jw and others too . oh they can claim some truths and spot some errors
BUT THEN lead this people into greater darkness .
BUT GOD DONT lead men into darkness . I gots one book i stay dug in , YOU KNOW IT , the bible .
and if a man , a speaking donkey , an angel or etc cometh
and presents himself and teaches contrary to it , GUESS WHO I DONT HEED , THEM .
BIBLE TIME . men got us into this mess , BUT TRUTH WILL CLEAR IT UP if ONLY , OH i say IF ONLY
folks would pick that bible up for themselves , to have read and loved every word in it . But many
DO not desire THAT TRUTH , that version OF GOD or HIS CHRIST , or that version of apostels doctrine inspired
by the SPIRIT . what many want is the idea of salvation but just no so much THE AUTHOR OF OUR SALVATION and HIS DOCTRINE .
 

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Sola Scriptura STRONGLY disagrees as does the LORD who gave us sola scriptura.


The LORD Jesus Christ absolutely left us His WAY to Truth.
My words are spirit and they are life . yet many sure dont want to seem to learn them words
that GOD inspired . oh , yeah it wasnt men that inspired the truth in said bible . IT WAS GOD .
yet many sure dont seem to , well to like that truth very much .
They like the idea of salvation but heed rather men who may have promised them salvation
but led them rather into bondage and slavation . i seen far too much sins
getting done and accepted by many . too many dangerous and blashemous doctrines
and yet far too many seem to love these different hertical teachings and teachers .
Now that is highly concerning to me and very dangerous for them .
Bible time . get some rest my friend . Man i so desire good for all people
but man so many had rather heed the wrong men and the wrong stuff .
 

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I have a saying my friend . Get well dug in the bible
and if anyone teaches a thing contrary to any of it , Dont heed it .
I know lots of folks that try and pit paul against james , peter against paul
try and imply also that certain letters written applied to jewish beleivers only
they pit paul against Christ . they try and act like the scriptures our their preztel and they can twist and bend and even omit
or add their own sprinkles to it . Do not heed a one o them my friend .
From page one to page the end , ever letter to every gospel the apostels also left us
IS for the CHURCH . There are not two gospels one for the jews one for the gentile .
EVERY letter written from the apostels was written to BELIEVERS , believing jews and gentiles .
And every word written way back then Applies the same today . Get a big ol heavy dose of bible reading .
I even tested early church fathers against it and found quite some problems .
The sixty six apply to us and if any word , any other letter , any thought or any idea , a man or a talking donkey or angel
says otherwise , DO not heed it . its real simple . its men who complicated things with their own pre conceived ideals .
Agreed.
I haven't found any problem with the Fathers YET.
If you know of one, I'd appreciate hearing about it.

They teach perfectly what the Apostles taught them. Which must, necessarily, be biblical.

I believe a man that was taught, for example, by both John and Peter can be relied on more than any man that teaches today.
 

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Very dangerous and divides the Body of Christ


ABSOLUTELY TRUE

And remember, there were no early church fathers.

There is only the the WORD that became flesh, the Prophets and the Apostles

All who were saved after the Apostles, including today, are Blood Washed Saints
We who abide in Christ are Members of the Body of Christ built upon Christ/the Apostles/the Prophets unto a Holy Spiritual Temple.
What would you call person's taught by the Apostles?

And also those that gave you the very NT you're reading?

Who assembled and chose the books in the NT?

Who did the Holy Spirit inspire?

It's simple history D.
Not much to debate.
 

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Let me ask you this:
Which church fought the early heresies?
Were there Bishops in the early church?
Did Jesus leave anyone in charge?

I mean, I try to discuss church history sometimes and I'm told it's not in the bible.

The world continued after Jesus ascended.

Hope you reply, but tomorrow for me.
David,
You didn't reply to the above.
I'm trying to discuss something important here.

There were many heresies in the early church....
the earliest one being gnosticism which John spoke about in
his letter 1 John. When he stated that some went "out from us because
they were not of us" he meant the gnostics.
1 John 2:19

Which church do you think fought these heresies?
Another big one was arianism....not every early church believed Jesus was God.

Also, WHO ran the early church?
Were there Bishops?

And last, but not least,
Did Jesus leave anyone in charge?

These are all important questions which may not be found in scripture because they happened after Jesus died.
Did history stop after Jesus ascended?
 

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My words are spirit and they are life . yet many sure dont want to seem to learn them words
that GOD inspired . oh , yeah it wasnt men that inspired the truth in said bible . IT WAS GOD .
yet many sure dont seem to , well to like that truth very much .
They like the idea of salvation but heed rather men who may have promised them salvation
but led them rather into bondage and slavation . i seen far too much sins
getting done and accepted by many . too many dangerous and blashemous doctrines
and yet far too many seem to love these different hertical teachings and teachers .
Now that is highly concerning to me and very dangerous for them .
Bible time . get some rest my friend . Man i so desire good for all people
but man so many had rather heed the wrong men and the wrong stuff .
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David,
You didn't reply to the above.
I'm trying to discuss something important here.

There were many heresies in the early church....
the earliest one being gnosticism which John spoke about in
his letter 1 John. When he stated that some went "out from us because
they were not of us" he meant the gnostics.
1 John 2:19

Which church do you think fought these heresies?
Another big one was arianism....not every early church believed Jesus was God.

Also, WHO ran the early church?
Were there Bishops?

And last, but not least,
Did Jesus leave anyone in charge?

These are all important questions which may not be found in scripture because they happened after Jesus died.
Did history stop after Jesus ascended?
i am working today.
Will not be able to respond till end of day.
 
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