Elect or Not Elect: Why ALL Should Be Alarmed

[GodsGrace]

I left right after to go to my mens bible study, Spoke on the flood tonight, Thanks for answering. It is a little after 9p here now. So i am sure your out..lol

yes, But what are we eating?And how often did Jesus tell them to eat in John 6

You know EG,,,,I used to think like you.
Thing is....I'm not so sure anymore.
I feel like I'm on a journey....some things I'm absolutely sure of,
and some things are still to be discovered.

Jesus said that every time we meet, to do this in memory of Him.
Do what?
At the last supper He said THIS IS MY BODY.....THIS IS MY BLOOD.
In John 6 He states that we are to EAT His body.
The first Christians were believed to be cannibals because this was understood literally.

When He stopped with the 2 men on the Road to Emmaus,,,,they realized it was Jesus when
He broke the bread. I find this to be very significant. I do believe this was the first Mass, where the
breaking of the bread and Jesus' sacrifice is remembered.

I don't hate the CC, so I listen carefully when they teach something.

How about this:

And let none eat or drink of your Eucharist but such as have been baptized into the name of the Lord,
The Didache circa 90AD The Teachings of the Apostles



I have no taste for corruptible food nor for the pleasures of this life. I desire the Bread of God, WHICH IS THE FLESH OF JESUS CHRIST, who was of the seed of David; and for drink I DESIRE HIS BLOOD, which is love incorruptible. (Letter to the Romans 7:3)

Take care, then, to use one Eucharist, so that whatever you do, you do according to God: FOR THERE IS ONE FLESH OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST, and one cup IN THE UNION OF HIS BLOOD; one ALTAR, as there is one bishop with the presbytery… (Letter to the Philadelphians 4:1)

They [i.e. the Gnostics] abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they do not confess that THE EUCHARIST IS THE FLESH OF OUR SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST, flesh which suffered for our sins and which the Father, in his goodness, raised up again. (Letter to Smyrnians 7:1)
Ignateus of Antioch 110 AD (Ignatius was taught by John and Peter)



For not as common bread nor common drink do we receive these; but since Jesus Christ our Savior was made incarnate by the word of God and had both flesh and blood for our salvation, so too, as we have been taught, the food which has been made into the Eucharist by the Eucharistic prayer set down by Him, AND BY THE CHANGE OF WHICH our blood and flesh is nourished, IS BOTH THE FLESH AND THE BLOOD OF THAT INCARNATED JESUS. (First Apology, 66)
Justin Martyr 100 - 165AD


There's a lot more.
I think the Early Fathers knew more than we do today.
They learned from the Apostles themselves.

Che church was huge in Pauls day, Peter led 3000 to christ at one time Yet they had meals when they met. But also remember, they met in homes, not in cathedrals.

OK,,,,but not all 3,000 of them all at once!
You must admit that as the church grew, a different method had to be devised.
When we go to Mass or a Service, we don't actually have a meal together, do we?

Yes, But I am talking about John 6, Did Jesus say this in John 6. Is it the same bread and cup? I am going to say no. Thats what I am hoping you will see also.

I'm having my doubts.
I'm beginning to believe in the Real Presence of Jesus.
It makes sense to me.

But again, This is not the bread in john 6, Jesus said whoever eats this bread will live forever. Yet the catholics and other Protestants take this Eucharist over and over, and no one is assured they ill live forever. Why is this?

then again, Why does it not give the giver what Jesus promised

For goodness sake §EG. You can't mean this!
We live forever in a spiritual sense...We will never die....
those that go to hell are not LIVING....they're like dead in service to satan.
We will actually have life, and a life more abundant, even after our physical death.

Read john 6

they will never hunger, never thirst, they will live forever. They will be raised on the last day. They will (unlike the fathers who ate manna and died) never die and again live forever.

Manna was temporary - good only for one day.
The food of Jesus lasts forever.
We will also die, but only physically.

Jesus said the food he came to give would endure to eternal life. In this sense, You eat one, just like in John 4, where he told the woman at the well. If you asked he would give living water flowing to eternal life, which you can drink and never thirst. So why is the Eucharist different? Why does it not promise a single thing Jesus promised?

But it does. How could you not see this?
Just like the idea of works....I can't convince you of this nor am I here to do this.
It's not a soteriological matter so whatever you believe will be OK.

It is a pagan symbol which was worn by the Caesar’s of rome, who were the pagan high priest of the Roman Empire.

Well then, it shouldn't be on there.

Is he though?
Who does the Bible say the mediator is between God and man?

We both know who it is.
I said that the Pope is a VISIBLE symbol of the "bridge".
People were more ignorant in the beginning....I guess they needed someone they could actually see.

The Pope doesn't bother me.
I wish we had a Protestant Pope.
Maybe we'd all agree on theology and doctrine and all the splintering would stop.

They did not worship in buildings, they met in homes local house churches.

You're going WAY BACK. I meant to about the year 1,000 or so.
I think these buildings are a monument to the greatness of God.
Some Protestant buildings are so plain that it depresses me that not enough honor is given to God.

All that money spent on a building that is not required..

plus as i said, all of the pagan temples when Constantine made christianity the official religion of rome, because christian cathedrals.

Constantine didn't make Christianity the official religion of Rome.
He REMOVED THE ILLEGALITY of it so that Christians would no longer be persecuted.

Christianity was made the official religion of Rome by Emperor Theodoseus in 380AD.

All of the acts of penance, the rosary and everything involved, where is this found in scripture. Penance was a pagan term, not a christian

Where is the Trinity found? The incarnation? The hypstatic union?
The Rosary was for a specific reason.
It was to teach an ignorant people about the story of Jesus.
You do know that it tells the story of Jesus?

Acts of penance?
Which for instance?

The bible says we are all kings and priests. He gave the gifts of pastors and teachers. The last priest was the mosaic priests. There were no NT priests.

Thats what they call it..

yes, But this does not mean the catholic bishops are true bishops.

They're true Bishops because of Apostolic succession.
But you don't believe in that either.
Find out more about it.

I don;t either, but you asked what was pagan, All of the different things about Christmas was in essence pagan. Even the child son relationship was a pagan theology between the mother and child. And easily converted to Roman christianity

???
Christmas is a pagan theology?
I don't understand.

I disagree,

No it does not

Mary Gave jesus his humanity, Jesus was always God. Mary gave birth to the body that Jesus entered when he left heaven.

Again, it is a pagan theology.

The one and only

Yes, Maybe a few more questions I brought up. Hope you slept well

This is simple to me and I don't know why we debate it.

IF Jesus is God....
and Mary is His mother....
then Mary is the Mother of God.

If she's NOT and she gave birth to only the human part of Jesus....
then you're separating Jesus into two parts.
He was ONE PERSON....not two.
The hypostatic union....
You must certainly know about this ....

 

[GodsGrace]

Who are you to question anything God does. Incase you don't know who you are, allow me to fill you in. You were born dead and totally depraved in trespasses and sin. You were born into slavery to sin and Satan, as Satan's slave you have no power against Him, He is infinitely stronger and smarter than you, so you're at His mercy and we know He has no mercy.

Your best works are as stinking rags in Gods sight, you were born hating God and loving sin. If God leaves you in your natural state, you will most certainly be cast into the lake of fire. Everyone has been born into that same state, God said "You can do nothing without me", in other words a dead man can do nothing. You were not born half dead, so you have nothing to offer God for Him to save you. All you can offer is your filthy rags.

Your free will allows you to serve your Master Satan, and your lust. It doesn't allow you to receive spiritual things, the things of God are foolishness to the natural man. He can never receive them, unless God regenerates him first. So salvation ahs nothing to do with man and everything to do with God.

Here are those few verses you requested, they testify to your ignorance of Gods Word.

Thanks CS....you're so nice.
This is what I expect from the reformed....
anger and disrespect for everyone.

Maybe this is because they feel so special that God chose them to be saved.
And the rest of us blokes are just trying to understand this God that only the reformed have understood....

Too bad it took 1,500 years, because all those that came BEFORE you,,,understood God to be exactly the way
I do and also the rest of Christendom.

So let's see these verses you think you understand:

Ephesians 1:4
just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him. In love

God's choosing is ALWAYS a HOW or a WHY.
Never a WHO.

Ephesians 1:4
God chose us IN HIM before the foundation of the world.
So that we could be holy and blameless IN HIM in love. (something you don't seem to know enough about).

So Ephesians 1:4 is speaking to HOW we were chosen.....
to be IN HIM....through Jesus we are saved, and not of ourselves.

BUT BY FAITH.....BY FAITH.....NOT because of some unknown reason. God wants us to know HOW TO BE SAVED.

Ephesians 2:8-10
8For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;
9not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.
10For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.

Notice too that we are saved BY FAITH.
We don't get faith - salvation - FIRST, and THEN get saved.
This is also incorrect doctrine taught in the reformed faith.

2 Thessalonians 2:13
But we should always give thanks to God for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God has chosen you from the beginning for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and faith in the truth.

Again CS, just read what it says:

2 Thessalonians 2:13-14
13But we should always give thanks to God for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God has chosen you from the beginning for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and faith in the truth.
14It was for this He called you through our gospel, that you may gain the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.


1. Again,,,,the above is stating HOW one is saved.
God chose us for salvation THROUGH SANCTIFICATION BY THE SPIRIT and faith in the truth.
Again, we mush have faith....not salvation first and THEN faith.

2. Notice verse 14: God called us/them THROUGH THE GOSPEL......
Through the gospel GOD CALLS.
NOT through some mysterious way only He knows and will not allow US to know.

Why?
Because God desires that ALL MEN BE SAVED.

1 Timothy 2:3-4
3This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior,
4who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.


See CS, God desires that ALL MEN BE SAVED,,,,,not just some random men that HE chooses.
This is not justice.

God was good enough, since He's a loving God, to let us KNOW HOW to be saved:

John 3:16
16“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

Acts 16:30-31
30and after he brought them out, he said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?”
31They said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved,

Who do you think nows more.....
John Calvin or Paul ??

Paul said that all we need to do to be saved is to believe in the Lord Jesus.

NOT sit around and wait for God to save us.


Also, note that BELIEF comes first and THEN SALVATION.

The opposite of what the reformed believe.

2 Timothy 1:9
who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was granted us in Christ Jesus from all eternity,

Again....God is calling us WITH A PURPOSE.

That would be a HOW
not a WHO.

If you deny that these verses clearly demonstrate that God chose His elect for salvation before He made the world, then you're doing what Satan did by asking Eve "hath God said" you would be denying Gods Word.

Yes. Satan.
You and all reformed are full of hate because you're told the truth but you WON'T PAY ATTENTION TO IT.

Now please go back and give us your detailed exegesis of each verse you posted,
just like I did.

Thanks.

You might want to explain John 3:16 too.
Maybe you could show HOW it's speaking to those already saved??? (as you are taught incorrectly).
thanks.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

God is not "Bipolar", He doesn't love a person one day and cast him into the lake of fire the next day.

Your right, He is not bypolar. But his love can not overrule his Justice. His justice demands a payment for sin. Love can not over rule that justice, But it can appease that justice (This is called propitiation)

And he made propitiation. not only for us (the elect) but for the whole world.

1 John 2:2
And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.

You make God out to be an evil psychopath who tortures people He loves.

No. You do that, By making him torture people without giving them an opportunity to be saved

You make Him out to be worse than Satan, at least we know Satan is an enemy who wants to harm us, but there's nothing worse than a backstabber who tells you they love you then, turn around and show their true evil nature.

lol. Its obvious you have some studying to do. Put down your calvinist workbook. Open the bible. and learn from God.

Your theology is completely incoherent and totally messed up, at least Jacob Arminius was consistent in his heretical theology. Your theology is always contradictory so you have to keep adding more lies all the time to make it float. Your self delusion is evident by the fact that you trash 2000 years of Church history and claim that all the Church fathers got it wrong and only your interpretation is biblically correct. That is the height of ignorance, in my view.

The fact that you came to the conclusion that God casts those He loves into the lake of fire to be tormented day and night for ever and ever, show how far you are from the truth. God would never do that to those He loves. He created hell for those He hates.

You still don't know what the word "Theology" means, why don't you go away and find out what it means. I would love to hear your interpretation of the word.

Gods justice will punish the sin of unbelief

Gods justice is perfect.

so yes. God will send people he loved and died for to the lake of fire. because why?

He who believes is not condemned, he who does not believe is condemned already

God is vindicated. and the whole of creation will honor and praise him. Because he did not send them to hell because he hated them, or because he refused to die for them, or because he did nto allow them an opportunity to be saved.

They sent themselves to hell. because Jesus did Love them, He did die for them, And he gave them every opportunity to believe. And they said no.

Again, Put down your calvinist workbook and pick up the bible.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You know EG,,,,I used to think like you.
Thing is....I'm not so sure anymore.
I feel like I'm on a journey....some things I'm absolutely sure of,
and some things are still to be discovered.

Oh I feel the same way, I have not arrived yet. I am still learning. The hardest thing I aver had to do is tell myself those I trusted and loved and who I help up would never lead me astray, and I was right and convinced I was right. was a wrong attitude. I had to be broken of so many things. I am still being broken today.

Jesus said that every time we meet, to do this in memory of Him.

Yes. He said this in Matt 26, Mark 14 and Luke 22 when he sat down for his last supper.

I am talking about John 6, and the conversation Jesus had with the people he fed the day before. who come looking for another handout.

Here maybe this will help. Give you context.

John 6: 22 On the following day, when the people who were standing on the other side of the sea saw that there was no other boat there, except that one which His disciples had entered, and that Jesus had not entered the boat with His disciples, but His disciples had gone away alone— 23 however, other boats came from Tiberias, near the place where they ate bread after the Lord had given thanks— 24 when the people therefore saw that Jesus was not there, nor His disciples, they also got into boats and came to Capernaum, seeking Jesus. 25 And when they found Him on the other side of the sea, they said to Him, “Rabbi, when did You come here?”

26 Jesus answered them and said, “Most assuredly, I say to you, you seek Me, not because you saw the signs, but because you ate of the loaves and were filled. 27 Do not labor for the food which perishes, but for the food which endures to everlasting life, which the Son of Man will give you, because God the Father has set His seal on Him.”

This food Jesus called the bread from heaven.

Then Jesus said whoever ate this bread would receive things, and told us what it meant

35 And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst

1. Eating this food is coming to Jesus and believing in him
2. Whoever does will never hunger and never thirst.

37 All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out. 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 39 This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day. 40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”

3. Easting this food is coming to him,
4. It is being given to Jesus (not the calvinist way)
5. It is seeing the son and believing
6. Whoever eats will never be cast out
7. whoever eats will never be lost
8. whoever eats will be raised on he last day (as apposed to being delivered to him)
9. whoever eats have eternal life

he continues

47 Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life. 48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and are dead. 50 This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that one may eat of it and not die. 51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread that I shall give is My flesh, which I shall give for the life of the world.”

10. Eating this food is believing
11. This food is the bread which comes from heaven
12. Whoever eats has eternal life
13. Whoever eats will never die
14. Whoever eats will live forever.

Getting a little upset. he turns on them because of their unbelief

54 Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. 55 For My flesh is food indeed, and My blood is drink indeed. 56 He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him. 57 As the living Father sent Me, and I live because of the Father, so he who feeds on Me will live because of Me. 58 This is the bread which came down from heaven—not as your fathers ate the manna, and are dead. He who eats this bread will live forever.”

15. eating this food is eating the flesh and blood
16. Eating this food is feeding on Christ
17. Eating this food is said to abide in Jesus
18, Whoever eats has eternal life
19. Whoever eats will be raised on the last day (as apposed to being delivered)
20. Whoever eats Abides in him, as long as he lives we will live and we live because of him
21. Whoever eats will live forever.

Getting ths reaction he wanted by making these statements. He follows it up with the truth of everything he has been saying

63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.

22. The food is given by the spirit
23. The flesh (physical food they were looking for) profits them nothing. (which is why he told them to seek for food which endures to eternal life)
24. The food is the words that Jesus is speaking. they should have been coming to hear his words. not to look for another handout (food which perishes.

Peter acknowledges he understood

68 But Simon Peter answered Him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. 69 Also we have come to believe and know that You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”

I hope as you look through these words, You study, Look at the passage to see what it really says, do not just take my word for it.

As you can see. Taking food often does not fit
Why are people eating and drinking this food. yet still dying, and not assured they will be raised or have eternal life
and finally. He said if we eat it we will never die (in other words, we do not have to keep eating it because it endures forever as He said)

so why did the roman catholic church turned this into something it was never meant to be?

Do what?
At the last supper He said THIS IS MY BODY.....THIS IS MY BLOOD.
In John 6 He states that we are to EAT His body.
The first Christians were believed to be cannibals because this was understood literally.

One more time

At the last supper. he said do this often
In John 6, He said do it once.

HUGE difference. I will stop here and let this sink in, then we will continue

I have copied the rest of this post. and will let you respond to this first. it will get to be to much to discuss

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The fact that someone laughed at the true of Gods character (his justice, his love and what he did to save)

just shows that someone is so out of touch with who and what God is. I am not sure she will ever come to the truth

 

[Ritajanice]

The fact that someone laughed at the true of Gods character (his justice, his love and what he did to save)

just shows that someone is so out of touch with who and what God is. I am not sure she will ever come to the truth

No one chooses to be Born Again....there is no scripture that shows that.

We are Born Of The Spirit....we are not Born Again by looking to the cross and believing...that’s heresy.

Also practice what you preach...I said I had faith that could move mountains...Gods word...for some reason you thought that funny @Eternally Grateful ...don’t be such a hypocrite!

Looking to the cross and believing you have been Born Again of imperishable seed is absolute nonsense.

Being Born Of The Spirit is by divine Living Spiritual revelation....

God also said @Eternally Grateful .....” ME” is not Born Again....that’s how out of touch you are understanding spiritual matters./ divine revelation.

Still waiting for you to show me that “ ME” must be Born Again to see the Kingdom Of God?

 

[GodsGrace]

Oh I feel the same way, I have not arrived yet. I am still learning. The hardest thing I aver had to do is tell myself those I trusted and loved and who I help up would never lead me astray, and I was right and convinced I was right. was a wrong attitude. I had to be broken of so many things. I am still being broken today.


Yes. He said this in Matt 26, Mark 14 and Luke 22 when he sat down for his last supper.

I am talking about John 6, and the conversation Jesus had with the people he fed the day before. who come looking for another handout.

Here maybe this will help. Give you context.

John 6: 22 On the following day, when the people who were standing on the other side of the sea saw that there was no other boat there, except that one which His disciples had entered, and that Jesus had not entered the boat with His disciples, but His disciples had gone away alone— 23 however, other boats came from Tiberias, near the place where they ate bread after the Lord had given thanks— 24 when the people therefore saw that Jesus was not there, nor His disciples, they also got into boats and came to Capernaum, seeking Jesus. 25 And when they found Him on the other side of the sea, they said to Him, “Rabbi, when did You come here?”

26 Jesus answered them and said, “Most assuredly, I say to you, you seek Me, not because you saw the signs, but because you ate of the loaves and were filled. 27 Do not labor for the food which perishes, but for the food which endures to everlasting life, which the Son of Man will give you, because God the Father has set His seal on Him.”

This food Jesus called the bread from heaven.

Then Jesus said whoever ate this bread would receive things, and told us what it meant

35 And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst

1. Eating this food is coming to Jesus and believing in him
2. Whoever does will never hunger and never thirst.

37 All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out. 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 39 This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day. 40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”

3. Easting this food is coming to him,
4. It is being given to Jesus (not the calvinist way)
5. It is seeing the son and believing
6. Whoever eats will never be cast out
7. whoever eats will never be lost
8. whoever eats will be raised on he last day (as apposed to being delivered to him)
9. whoever eats have eternal life

he continues

47 Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life. 48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and are dead. 50 This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that one may eat of it and not die. 51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread that I shall give is My flesh, which I shall give for the life of the world.”

10. Eating this food is believing
11. This food is the bread which comes from heaven
12. Whoever eats has eternal life
13. Whoever eats will never die
14. Whoever eats will live forever.

Getting a little upset. he turns on them because of their unbelief

54 Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. 55 For My flesh is food indeed, and My blood is drink indeed. 56 He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him. 57 As the living Father sent Me, and I live because of the Father, so he who feeds on Me will live because of Me. 58 This is the bread which came down from heaven—not as your fathers ate the manna, and are dead. He who eats this bread will live forever.”

15. eating this food is eating the flesh and blood
16. Eating this food is feeding on Christ
17. Eating this food is said to abide in Jesus
18, Whoever eats has eternal life
19. Whoever eats will be raised on the last day (as apposed to being delivered)
20. Whoever eats Abides in him, as long as he lives we will live and we live because of him
21. Whoever eats will live forever.

Getting ths reaction he wanted by making these statements. He follows it up with the truth of everything he has been saying

63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.

22. The food is given by the spirit
23. The flesh (physical food they were looking for) profits them nothing. (which is why he told them to seek for food which endures to eternal life)
24. The food is the words that Jesus is speaking. they should have been coming to hear his words. not to look for another handout (food which perishes.

Peter acknowledges he understood

68 But Simon Peter answered Him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. 69 Also we have come to believe and know that You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”

I hope as you look through these words, You study, Look at the passage to see what it really says, do not just take my word for it.

As you can see. Taking food often does not fit
Why are people eating and drinking this food. yet still dying, and not assured they will be raised or have eternal life
and finally. He said if we eat it we will never die (in other words, we do not have to keep eating it because it endures forever as He said)

so why did the roman catholic church turned this into something it was never meant to be?

One more time

At the last supper. he said do this often
In John 6, He said do it once.

HUGE difference. I will stop here and let this sink in, then we will continue

I have copied the rest of this post. and will let you respond to this first. it will get to be to much to discuss

Great post EG.
Have no time now.
Later....
I'm sorry I didn't understand about John 6....

 

[Ritajanice]

Oh I feel the same way, I have not arrived yet. I am still learning

Where haven’t you arrived?

What are you learning...spiritual matters or the Bible Story?

Are you self taught or are you taught by the Spirit?

 

[GodsGrace]

The fact that someone laughed at the true of Gods character (his justice, his love and what he did to save)

just shows that someone is so out of touch with who and what God is. I am not sure she will ever come to the truth

Some will never come to the truth....
Laughing at those who are trying to share it is pure spiritual pride.

 

[Ritajanice]

Some will never come to the truth....
Laughing at those who are trying to share it is pure spiritual pride.

(Genesis 3:13) What the woman didn't realize is that it wasn't the devil's fault: she was the one who ate the fruit. She thought she could divert the blame to the devil, but there were three fingers pointing back at her. Perhaps this is a trait we have inherited from Eve. People love to blame the devil and other people.

 

[PinSeeker]

Good day sir.

Same to you., of course.

I believe God keeps his promises, You evidently think he partially keeps his promises.

Me, too, of course. No, not partially. And I would say much more fully ~ that His promises are much greater ~ than you seem to suppose, limiting them to only a specific ethnic group.

I believe God is a God of love

I do, too, of course, but sometimes, that love can seem like something other than love to our human, finite minds.

You believe God is only partially a God of love

Absolutely not; God is love, as John tells us, and we love because He first loved us.

We have no root to our foundations that we can even begin to agree on, so I think it is time to move on.

Well, what you say about me here is... untrue... :) What you're really reacting against ~ without realizing it, probably ~ is what's commonly called hyper-Calvinism, which is a thing, which... is not really Calvinism at all, but rather a... well, pretty bad... contortion of it. You brought up the concept of fatalism some time ago; Hyper-Calvinists consider themselves Calvinists but actually go quite overboard with many things Calvin taught and as a result really do come into at least somewhat of a fatalistic mindset.

But aside from that... we both believe in Christ and Him crucified and resurrected, and that he's returning... I mean, the basics, the essentials, we agree on, I think, and this is the Root... Christ is, as the great hymn goes, our one true Foundation. And that's a marvelous thing, and really all that's necessary between you and me or anyone else.

Whether Arminius or Calvin was right... That's not really all that important ~ not essential, anyway ~ in the whole scheme of things, and this... well, "militancy," so to speak... was very, very unnecessary... :) There was no need for such... well, again, ill-spirited argumentativeness.

So yes, I agree; I think it is time to move on, which I suggested some time ago, if you remember, based mainly on the "retreading the same ground over and over" thing. But yeah, I'm with ya. :)

Grace and peace to you

And to you; May the LORD bless you and keep you; may He make his face to shine upon you and be gracious to you; may He lift up His countenance upon you and give you peace.

 

[Ritajanice]

2. Notice verse 14: God called us/them THROUGH THE GOSPEL......
Through the gospel GOD CALLS.
NOT through some mysterious way only He knows and will not allow US to know.

We are Born Of The Spirit....the gospel call doesn’t make your spirit Born Again....and yes it is a mystery how we are Born Again.

And no...only those who are Born Again in their spirit......know God’s witness who testifies his truth to their spirit....reading theology does not make one spirit Born Again....that is a Living spiritual/ supernatural act only God can do....you can’t choose to be Born Again....sorry.

Did you see God, when the Spirit testifies with our spirit that we are Gods children?

How is that not the mystery of becoming Born Of The Spirit.

It may help you by reading what Jesus explains to Nicodemus how we are Born Of The Spirit?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

No one chooses to be Born Again....there is no scripture that shows that.

We are Born Of The Spirit....we are not Born Again by looking to the cross and believing...that’s heresy.

Also practice what you preach...I said I had faith that could move mountains...Gods word...for some reason you thought that funny @Eternally Grateful ...don’t be such a hypocrite!

Looking to the cross and believing you have been Born Again of imperishable seed is absolute nonsense.

Being Born Of The Spirit is by divine Living Spiritual revelation....

God also said @Eternally Grateful .....” ME” is not Born Again....that’s how out of touch you are understanding spiritual matters./ divine revelation.

Still waiting for you to show me that “ ME” must be Born Again to see the Kingdom Of God?

This just once again proves my point that you do not know God at all.

Good day, and good luck..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Great post EG.
Have no time now.
Later....
I'm sorry I didn't understand about John 6....

its all good. Look forward to your thoughts

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Some will never come to the truth....
Laughing at those who are trying to share it is pure spiritual pride.

then they justify it by rambling on.. And they think they look ok in doing it. when all they do is look like a ..... well I better not say it..

 

[Ritajanice]

Absolutely not; God is love, as John tells us, and we love because He first loved us.

We couldn’t even know God let alone know his Love, without him Loving us first, via His Spirit....that’s what our heart/ spirit received when we became Born Again....how could we not love him back from our spirit?

That is where his Spirit resides ,in our spirit.our heart / spirit was filled with his Love when he made us spirit children and birthed our spirit into his.

 

[Ritajanice]

This just once again proves my point that you do not know God at all.

Good day, and good luck..

I know God in my spirit....” ME” isn’t biblical.

Spirit gives birth to spirit is...also looking to the cross does not make us Born Again of imperishable seed....if that’s how we were to be Born Of The Spirit...God would have said so.

If one looks to the cross and believes the cross...then their spirit must already be Born Again...otherwise they would only understand the cross from their own human understanding/ intellect.

You need the witness Gods Living Spirit ...bringing our spirit Alive in Christ before you could understand anything about Jesus and the cross.

spirit children understand God in their spirit because that’s what God is a Spirit and that’s how we communicate with him, His Spirit to our spirit....not by reading the story of the Bible.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Same to you., of course.


Me, too, of course. No, not partially. And I would say much more fully ~ that His promises are much greater ~ than you seem to suppose, limiting them to only a specific ethnic group.

See this is what I mean

God made a covenant with a specific group. In that covenant he made promises to them

He called it an eternal covenant.

If he will not keep his promise to them, I have no faith he would keep it with me

I do, too, of course, but sometimes, that love can seem like something other than love to our human, finite minds.

But how can you say he loves perfectly when he hates most of his creation? (Since the gate is narrow and few there are who enter in)

Absolutely not; God is love, as John tells us, and we love because He first loved us.

Yes, He loved us, But he did not just love us, he loved the world (john 3) and he made propitiation not just for us, but for the world (1 John 2:2)

Well, what you say about me here is... untrue... :) What you're really reacting against ~ without realizing it, probably ~ is what's commonly called hyper-Calvinism, which is a thing, which... is not really Calvinism at all, but rather a... well, pretty bad... contortion of it. You brought up the concept of fatalism some time ago; Hyper-Calvinists consider themselves Calvinists but actually go quite overboard with many things Calvin taught and as a result really do come into at least somewhat of a fatalistic mindset.


But aside from that... we both believe in Christ and Him crucified and resurrected, and that he's returning... I mean, the basics, the essentials, we agree on, I think, and this is the Root... Christ is, as the great hymn goes, our one true Foundation. And that's a marvelous thing, and really all that's necessary between you and me or anyone else.

Whether Arminius or Calvin was right... That's not really all that important ~ not essential, anyway ~ in the whole scheme of things, and this... well, "militancy," so to speak... was very, very unnecessary... :) There was no need for such... well, again, ill-spirited argumentativeness.

So yes, I agree; I think it is time to move on, which I suggested some time ago, if you remember, based mainly on the "retreading the same ground over and over" thing. But yeah, I'm with ya. :)


And to you; May the LORD bless you and keep you; may He make his face to shine upon you and be gracious to you; may He lift up His countenance upon you and give you peace.

May he bless you also.

 

[Ritajanice]

Yes, He loved us, But he did not just love us, he loved the world (john 3) and he made propitiation not just for us, but for the world (1 John 2:2)

Do you know the Love Of God in your spirit?

You should know God’s Love in your heart/ spirit all day every day....there is no greater Love than the Love Of God.


Or do you only know God’s Love by quoting and reading scripture?

◄ Ephesians 3:19 ►

Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version and to know this love that surpasses knowledge—that you may be filled to the measure of all the fullness of God. New Living Translation May you experience the love of Christ, though it is too great to understand fully. Then you will be made complete with all the fullness of life and power that comes from God. English Standard Version and to know the love of Christ that surpasses knowledge, that you may be filled with all the fullness of God. Berean Standard Bible of the love of Christ, and to know this love that surpasses knowledge, that you may be filled with all the fullness of God. Berean Literal Bible and to know the love of Christ surpassing knowledge, so that you may be filled unto all the fullness of God. King James Bible And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God

Whose Love did you receive when you became Born Again of imperishable seed?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

to a certain poster. I am not playing these games anymore.. It is obvious you do not know God or his character. Please put your Calvinist book down, open your bible and read. Open your mind, because it is seriously closed right now (I used to be the same way, so I know the symptoms)