Coming out testimonies reveal the source of same sex attraction

[BarneyFife]

Why would it be a sin for me to have a sexual relationship with a woman that is not my wife?

To be fair, I'm fairly certain he meant "explaining" in the context of your thread's title, i.e., the reason or "source," as you put it, of same sex attraction, which I'm still fuzzy on myself, at least, as far as its being revealed in the video.

I think it's reasonable to assume that explaining why something is harmful is preferable to seeking to justify a harmful practice. :)

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[St. SteVen]

I think it's reasonable to assume that explaining why something is harmful is preferable to seeking to justify a harmful practice. :)

Over and over again we hear the claim that "Same-sex attraction is a choice. No one is born that way."

Coming out testimonies tell a different story. These stories do NOT indicate a jump from hetero to homo.
They tell a story of finally coming to grips with who they are.

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[Jack]

Over and over again we hear the claim that "Same-sex attraction is a choice. No one is born that way."

Coming out testimonies tell a different story. These stories do NOT indicate a jump from hetero to homo.
They tell a story of finally coming to grips with who they are.

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Choice or not, gays will burn in Hell forever. Jesus said so.

 

[Phoneman777]

Good to see you, Brother. :)

I have to assume that you're well aware, PM, that there's more to the labor of soul-winning than getting folks to repent. Otherwise we might have a situation much like this:

James 2:15-16 — If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit?

And I'm sure you know the organized efforts that go on to minister to folks who are struggling with sexual can be very extensive and oftentimes great means and effort are expended without any evangelistic results materializing at all.

Notwithstanding the many counsels in the Bible to maintain purity of mind, and that I certainly wouldn't wish to compel others to view something they find offensive, Christ still bids us to minister to the needs of the one sheep that has strayed from the fold of ninety and nine.

Just sayin'.

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Nice to see you too, brother. In all honesty, I don't see the virtue in trying to understand the appeal of homo life in order to win a person away from it.

Is not the wrath of God on Judgment Day "poured out without mixture" - the very first time in history His wrath will be unmixed with mercy - enough to get their attention?

Is not the Cross enough to move their hearts to repent?

 

[Phoneman777]

So, you approve then?

What gives you that impression?

 

[St. SteVen]

What gives you that impression?

The quote from your favorite pastor.

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[Arthur81]

Nice to see you too, brother. In all honesty, I don't see the virtue in trying to understand the appeal of homo life in order to win a person away from it.

Is not the wrath of God on Judgment Day "poured out without mixture" - the very first time in history His wrath will be unmixed with mercy - enough to get their attention?

Is not the Cross enough to move their hearts to repent?

Your phrase "the appeal of homo life" reveals your ignorance of homosexual orientation, to refer to it as something "appealing" is to say it is a choice, which is utter nonsense.

Merriam-Webster

"homo, noun - slang, offensive
: a gay person —used as a term of abuse and disparagement"

"homo, adjective -
disparaging + offensive : of, relating to, or characterized by sexual or romantic attraction to people of one's same sex : GAY"

I do not recall Jesus using offensive or abusive language about anyone, other than the hypocritical religious types of his day.

 

[Arthur81]

Are you gay? You seem to have singular obsession with legitimizing homosexuals. Has something happened to you that causes you to be so obsessed with it?

It would appear that the modern, evangelical translations that incorrectly insert "homosexual" or "homosexuality" into the NT, and those who constantly quote them, are the ones obsessed. The men who loved men, who grew up on the KJV or RV, just did not know they were sinning? It is funny that King James, who 'sponsored' the KJV, had three male lovers, even though he was married. LOL

 

[St. SteVen]

I do not recall Jesus using offensive or abusive language about anyone, other than the hypocritical religious types of his day.

Well said. That's exactly what we see going on here.

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[St. SteVen]

It is funny that King James, who 'sponsored' the KJV, had three male lovers, even though he was married. LOL

That's a stunning fact. Can you cite a source for that?

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[Behold]

It is funny that King James, who 'sponsored' the KJV, had three male lovers, even though he was married. LOL

Paul didnt have any "male lovers"...so is that funny to you also, @Arthur81 ?

You have a strangely queer sense of humor, ive noticed, regarding acts of sexual perversion.

So, Paul wrote Romans, under the guidance and inspiration of the Holy Spirit who taught all who will believe the word of God, that when you "leave the natural use of the woman", and "burn in Lust, men with men".. you are a sexual pervert, and nothing less according to the Holy Spirit.

Now, and of course.....You milage may vary, according to your opinions regarding Paul's verses @Arthur81

 

[St. SteVen]

Paul wrote Romans, under the guidance and inspiration of the Holy Spirit...

King James sponsored the KJV under the guidance and inspiration of three male lovers. - LOL

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[BarneyFife]

In all honesty, I don't see the virtue in trying to understand the appeal of homo life in order to win a person away from it.

I couldn't agree more, Brother.

Is not the wrath of God on Judgment Day "poured out without mixture" - the very first time in history His wrath will be unmixed with mercy - enough to get their attention?

Is not the Cross enough to move their hearts to repent?

Well, as long as we're being honest, I think that if all we did to labor for souls caught up in sexual sin was to point out these two facts I'm afraid we might hear something like this from Heaven:

Matthew 25:41-46 — Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

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[BarneyFife]

I couldn't agree more, Brother.



Well, as long as we're being honest, I think that if all we did to labor for souls caught up in sexual sin was to point out these two facts I'm afraid we might hear something like this from Heaven:

Matthew 25:41-46 — Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

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What's interesting is that in verse 40, He calls the "least of these" folks "My brethren."

That's heavy.

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[BarneyFife]

"He ain't heavy; he's my brother."

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[Behold]

"He ain't heavy; he's my brother."

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When did your gospel become a song by a secular rock group? "The Hollies'.

They also wrote "Long Cool woman in a Black dress"..

So, is that your Theology also? @BarneyFife

And so, as you seem to believe that a secularized, Christ rejecting, Homo-sexual" is your "Brother, then i guess that does prove your theological confusion is intense., as is @Arthur81 ....

 

[Arthur81]

That's a stunning fact. Can you cite a source for that?

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I used to think this was just Roman Catholic propaganda. But....

James VI/James I’s Love Life: The British King whose Lovers were Men — History is Now Magazine, Podcasts, Blog and Books | Modern International and American history

James VI of Scotland (later also crowned James I of England) is a king of some ambiguity: he was both intellectually wise (possibly one of the cleverest kings that either England or Scotland has had), yet also remarkably foolish in how he allowed his heart to rule his head. But James was not a man o

www.historyisnowmagazine.com

Personal relationships of James VI and I - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Arthur81]

The King James Version(or RV/ASV) is best translation for the true Christian who is gay

Current definitions from The American Heritage Dictionary of English 5th Ed 2022:

"sod·om·y (sŏdə-mē)
n. Any of various forms of sexual acts regarded as perverted, especially anal intercourse, oral-anal contact, or sexual intercourse with an animal."

"sod·om·ize (sŏdə-mīz′)
tr.v. so·dom·ized, so·dom·iz·ing, so·dom·iz·es
To subject to an act of sodomy, especially forcibly."

"sod·om·ite (sŏdə-mīt′)
n. One who engages in sodomy."

"ho·mo·sex·u·al·i·ty (hō′mə-sĕk′sh-ălĭ-tē, -mō-)
n. 1. Sexual orientation to persons of the same sex. 2. Sexual activity with another of the same sex."

"ho·mo·sex·u·al (hō′mə-sĕksh-əl, -mō-)
adj. Of, relating to, or having a sexual orientation to persons of the same sex.
n. A homosexual person; a gay man or a lesbian."

Synonyms from Roget's International Thesaurus, Eight Edition, ©2019:

"75.16 sexual pervert; pervert, perve, deviant, deviate, sex pervert, sex fiend, sex criminal, sex psychopath, sex addict; sick puppy; sodomist, sodomite, sob, bugger; pederast; paraphiliac; zoophiliac; sadist; masochist; ...."

In today's English, it is clearly dishonest to equate "homosexual" with "sodomite", so what about the 1611/1769 KJV English? The best way to understand the words in the KJV clearly, is to use an English dictionary close to the date of the 1769 latest update of the KJV, which is the 1828 Websters.

Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, (1Cor 6:9 KJV)
For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine; (1Tim 1:10 KJV)

1828 Webster's Dictionary:
ABU'SER, n. s as z. One who abuses, in speech or behavior; one that deceives; a ravisher; a sodomite. 1 Cor 6.
RAV'ISHER, n.
1. One that takes by violence.
2. One that forces a woman to his carnal embrace.
3. One that transports with delight.
DEFILE, v.t.
5. To corrupt chastity; to debauch; to violate; to tarnish the purity of character by lewdness.
Schechem defiled Dinah. Gen 34.

Using time-correct definitions it is clear the KJV/ASV matches other respected translations on the underlined words, which is "sodomite", not any form of "homosexual/homosexuality" as follow:

sodomites, YLT, ASV, Rotherham's Emphasized Bible, RSV 2nd Ed, NRSV, and the literal gloss in The NIV Interlinear Greek-English New Testament, Zondervan ©1976

The word and concept of "homosexual" was first created in 1869 by Germans and came into English around 1900. It is clearly a modern bias to read this modern idea back into the Bible of 2000 years ago. The KJV use of "sodomite(s)" in Dt. 23:17, 18 is clarified by the original KJV margin note on "whore" which is (whore: or, sodomitess) so "sodomite/sodomitess" means some sort of religious prostitution. This can be seen in the other occurrences of "sodomites" in context.

 

[BarneyFife]

When did your gospel become a song by a secular rock group? "The Hollies'.

They also wrote "Long Cool woman in a Black dress"..

So, is that your Theology also? @BarneyFife

And so, as you seem to believe that a secularized, Christ rejecting, Homo-sexual" is your "Brother, then i guess that does prove your theological confusion is intense., as is @Arthur81 ....

It actually comes from "Boy's Town," a wildly popular 1938 movie based on a story about an orphanage and the Catholic priest who founded it.

Sorry to disappoint your natural propensity for evil surmising, @Behold. :)

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[Behold]

It actually comes from "Boy's Town,"

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Yes, that is also true.
And your movie has Spencer Tracy as "FatherF" and this one (S. Tracy) in real life was a drunken fornicating "perhaps" a Catholic.


The Real Father Flannigan...dealt mostly with Young Male Orphans, and that as a "religion" is : "pure"., the NT teaches.

So, i can't really connect your "boy's town" "orphans", enthusiasm with "Homo-Sexuals" "coming out", which is this Thread's Topic.

Why dont you think about that, and post your connection between the two as you SEE it?

Should be interesting...

Can't wait to hear your next opinon= theory @BarneyFife .