The social gospel?

[Eternally Grateful]

Point we are Born Again then saved from eternal damnation = to yourself.

We are saved and we were born again.

I am not sure why you hate certain people so much, or why you think you have to attack them.

But if your not going to ask the same questions to others. please do not ask us..

 

[Ritajanice]

We are saved and we were born again.

You are Born Again then we are saved from eternal damnation and not before.

I am not sure why you hate certain peop-0le so much, or why you think you have to attack them.

What an over dramatised false statement...you always use that card..when you can’t answer my questions..

But if your not going to ask the same questions to others. please do not ask us..

I ask you different Spirit questions ..you don’t answer them..

You don’t understand them why not admit to it?

 

[marks]

What comes out of a persons mouth,

Shows what is in their heart. Jesus said that, not me.

Much love!

 

[Ritajanice]

Shows what is in their heart. Jesus said that, not me.

Much love!

And what did he say to those who are in Christ?.or did you miss that scripture?

Please stop saying much love to me, I find it hypocritical...I stopped calling you lovely..now respect my wishes and don’t end with Much love!..the posts you address to me.

Romans 8​

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King James Version​

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8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

[marks]

did you miss that scripture?

Are you missing what Jesus said about what people say? Do you think it applies only to unbelievers? Is everyone who names the name of Christ actually born again? What when their words to others belie their words about them self?

Some people are true and some false. Some who are true are conflicted, and can appear false. Some who are false are deceivers, and can appear true.

Jesus taught us concerning the false prophets that you will know them by their fruit. The fruit of the Spirit is a godly character. So what would you suppose the fruit of the false prophet is? An ungodly character?

Jesus taught us that out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.

Much love!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You are Born Again then we are saved from eternal damnation and not before.

I never said otherwise. so why are you even saying this?

What an over dramatised false statement...

Actually I stand by that statement, you yourself showed in in another thread.. a thread which was closed. and something also happened to you which showed the mods agreed.

 

[Ritajanice]

Are you missing what Jesus said about what people say? Do you think it applies only to unbelievers? Is everyone who names the name of Christ actually born again? What when their words to others belie their words about them self?

Some people are true and some false. Some who are true are conflicted, and can appear false. Some who are false are deceivers, and can appear true.

Jesus taught us concerning the false prophets that you will know them by their fruit. The fruit of the Spirit is a godly character. So what would you suppose the fruit of the false prophet is? An ungodly character?

Jesus taught us that out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.

Romans 8​

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King James Version​

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8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Much love!

Did you read my post...stop putting much love to me!!

Respect my request as I requested yours?

Don’t keep trying to antagonise me..with your much love..stop it!

Against forum rules to antagonise when I’ve asked you to cease saying much love to me?

 

[marks]

Please stop saying much love to me, I find it hypocritical...I stopped calling you lovely..now respect my wishes and don’t end with Much love!..the posts you address to me.

Ritajanice, it's true.

The number one thing I look for in communication is sincerity.

Upon reflection, I don't know what else I might say to you that I've not said already, and I'm not about to stop expressing myself in this way, so I'll simply say be blessed of the Lord!

No need to address posts to me going forward.

In Christ's love!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Yes you did..you said on a post we are saved the Born Again.

This is why I get so frustrated with you. and I am sure many do


The post you responded to. I said nothing about what you accused me of. so why did you even bring it up and not respond to the post that you were in fact responding to? You just brought out something from the past as if it was relelevent, when it was not.

as I can’t stand by and watch you teach your false gospel..hope that’s cleared that up for you.

See. You have it out for me, Yet you just said you did not.

Than you for proving me right. You should have stopped. But you can;t.. You say your sone, yet you continue You say you will stop. but you can't

By the way, can you share with the room what my false gospel is. What do I say is wrong about how one is saved? How am I leading people to hell.

The Bible is not Alive in the Spirit.

Again, what bearing does this have to do with the conversation we were having about EPI?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I see no sincerity in you whatsoever..

See, You have it out for marks also. You are just proving what I said about you right. I would like to thank you for this.

Now can you do the same to EPI.. or is the enemy of your enemy your friend come to play?

 

[VictoryinJesus]

The animal sacrifices were the copy. What jesus did was the real..

does this make sense?

I do get what you mean by the animal sacrifices are the copy. Jesus was the real… like John the Baptist was sent to to testify of the light, he was not the true light but one sent to testify of the True Light. Or the temple made with hands being a copy, of the real Temple made without hands. The difference between the copy and that which is real…where the copy testifies of that which is real? Same as Noah’s ark and the Ark of God which is Christ. ?

 

[VictoryinJesus]

See, You have it out for marks also. You are just proving what I said about you right. I would like to thank you for this.

Now can you do the same to EPI.. or is the enemy of your enemy your friend come to play?

Sometimes on here …I think we need these shirts.

The kids stand face to face, their four arms through the two sleeves, stuck in an extended hug. Some call it the "T-shirt punishment." Their mom calls it the "I love you" shirt.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I do get what you mean by the animal sacrifices are the copy. Jesus was the real… like John the Baptist was sent to to testify of the light, he was not the true light but one sent to testify of the True Light. Or the temple made with hands being a copy, of the real Temple made without hands. The difference between the copy and that which is real…where the copy testifies of that which is real? Same as Noah’s ark and the Ark of God which is Christ. ?

Yes.

So the sacrifice of animals (the copy) could never atone for sin

But the sacrifice of Christ (the lamb of God) is payment for all sin.

But unlike what some say, His sacrifice was for everyone.. He just wants us to receive it in faith. hence the faith that leads to righteousness.. (salvation) not that we will act righteous. we have to grow in christ first. But that God sees aus as righteous based on what his son did

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Sometimes on here …I think we need these shirts. View attachment 46923

The kids stand face to face, their four arms through the two sleeves, stuck in an extended hug. Some call it the "T-shirt punishment." Their mom calls it the "I love you" shirt.

I think it would be nice if they would just be reasonable and consistent.

If your going to atack one group. but let the other group get away with it.. Well then you have division.

be consistent to all people. then even if I do not agree with you I can at least respect you

 

[Episkopos]

Epis posts provocative statements that disagree with Biblical spiritual truth.

Actually my posts display the depth and revolutionary stand of Christ and His gospel. Few will accept it. The problem is that modern churches have watered down the truth to fill the pews with numbers...and a lot of basic unbelievers in the truth. These only believe in the lie that got them into the pews.

So how are we to discern who is who since the wheat and the tares are all mixed together?

Simple really. Just listen to what they have believed to be true. A sinful holiness? The cross about forgiveness not holiness? And any other carnal consideration that denies the power of God.

Others post their disagreement, showing from the Scriptures.

A twisting of bible verses really. I sympathize somewhat with English only speakers since these are so unused to looking at the meaning of words in other languages. And to add to that English speakers rely on bad translations cooked up by a system that wants more people....like a state religion (Anglicanism) in the case of the KJV (Not to be confused with the KGB). For the most part the translation (targum) is good...until it gets to the crucial bits...then it goes with the flow of carnal elevation. But who knows how to read a Concordance anymore?

Epis makes personal derogatory statements against them.

No. I speak of the doctrines. It's only when others make it personal that I state what I do about their outer man defenses...as these are completely incapable of being honest. I post scriptures that are fully ignored. Why? Because these have no love for the truth.

Facts are facts.

But truth is truth.

If you want to know who continually trash talks others, it episkopos, what a name! Claims himself an overseer, and trash talks anyone who disagrees with him. I think he truly believes what he's said, that he's been sent to judge us all.

I think you are doing what you say I'm doing.....as usual. Why not stick to the OP?

I've learned to believe what people reveal of themself. What comes out of your mouth shows what's in your heart.

Exactly. And that's how I can discern the fruit produced by a religious consumerism that is catered to by the religious system. No depth or truth there...just slogans and ideological sound-bites.

You can read his threads with an open mind to see this is true, or not, again, it's your choice.

I've written to you out of concern for you. I pray you will receive true spiritual understanding.

Much love!

Amen. We are after true spiritual understanding...aren't we? (Personally I don't see that in those who deny the power of the gospel into holiness.)

 

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No. I speak of the doctrines.

I'm referring to your seemingly endless series of disparaging personal comments to others. If we cannot be honest, what is the point?

those who deny the power of the gospel into holiness.)

This is your projection, putting onto others what is not true of them.

No one here is denying God's power that enables us to be holy.

The cross about forgiveness not holiness?

Of course both are involved, and again, this isn't being disputed. We receive forgiveness of sins and the power of a new life.

Amen. We are after true spiritual understanding...aren't we?

I don't go by what you claim for yourself, I look at what you do. Flesh and Spirit both are shown in one's words, what is in their heart. Your words continue in your disparaging way, even in this post above.

That no one studies, all are indoctrinated, all are self-interested, these poor English speakers, on and on you go, just the same, year after year.

Much love!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Actually my posts display the depth and revolutionary stand of Christ and His gospel.

Now I have heard everything

Few will accept it.

Praise God this is true.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I'm referring to your seemingly endless series of disparaging personal comments to others. If we cannot be honest, what is the point?


This is your projection, putting onto others what is not true of them.

No one here is denying God's power that enables us to be holy.

Truth, no one is denying this power.

 

[Episkopos]

I'm referring to your seemingly endless series of disparaging personal comments to others. If we cannot be honest, what is the point?

An honest conversation goes like this

Person A (one of your people): I believe that the cross is about forgiveness.

Person B (Me)\: What do you do with all the people God forgave in the OT and those whom Jesus forgave in the NT before He died? And what about all the passages about the cross and holiness? Can you disregard these?

Person A: You are just a false teacher.

This is your projection, putting onto others what is not true of them.

Exactly the opposite is true. Case in point...you only come onto my threads to dump on me...never discussing the OP. Like right now.

No one here is denying God's power that enables us to be holy.

Not in so many words. That would be honest. People have been indoctrinated by the nether world to think that sanctification is a very long process whereas forgiveness is instantaneous. Who wants forgiveness without sanctification? The carnal man.

Of course both are involved, and again, this isn't being disputed. We receive forgiveness of sins and the power of a new life.

I don't go by what you claim for yourself, I look at what you do.

Filtered through the ego. I know how you see things. You want to be congratulated. Be honest. You seek affirmation in what you are doing. In fact you demand it.

Flesh and Spirit both are shown in one's words, what is in their heart. Your words continue in your disparaging way, even in this post above.

I disparage what is against God and His holiness. This is not a kumbaya forum...but a Christian one. Show me that you care more for the truth than your ego...and things will be different.

That no one studies, all are indoctrinated, all are self-interested, these poor English speakers, on and on you go, just the same, year after year.

Much love!

Well, show me that you can look at a concordance and see that your bible translation is off. Otherwise it is the indoctrination that gets in the way of the truth.

As an example...which I have posted many many times. Check out the word for liberty from the gospel from Is. 61:1. No mention of forgiveness. The Greek word is used twice in Luke 4:18 From DEROR (liberty) to APHESIS (Liberty)...then look at how that word is then misapplied AWAY FROM its meaning for application to the results or effects of the true gospel.

ANYONE who does that...even someone off the street will say that the translators had an agenda. Now show an indoctrinated person....and they will say I'm a false teacher...like you and you friends do. An indoctrinated person is far less honest than any passerby on the street. Hence my warnings.

 

[Lizbeth]

These only believe in the lie that got them into the pews.

Christ in us the hope of glory is a lie? The engrafted Word a lie?

You might not have seen my post where I said this, but as you are fond of saying that "from whom much is given much is required"....what on earth have we been given then....not much at all according to your gospel. THAT is the lie around here, Epi.