Do you believe this is...

[BlessedPeace]

@everyone

Probably a good time to reflect on this journey.

Those in support of angels sinning have provided the following text

Genesis 6:2 - thought to be angels coming down and marrying earthly women... is proven to be the Sons of Seth intermarrying with the Daughters of Cain (two lines coming together!)

Ezekiel 28 - Thought to be a fallen angel but shown to be a taunt against the King of Tyre who had protection while he walked between the gem stones (breastplate = Israel) but lost his estate due to pride.

Isaiah 14 - Thought to be a fallen angel but proven to be a taunt against the King of Babylon who was the morning or day star which fell from his very high position.

2 Peter 2 - Thought to be divine angels which sinned however shown to be human messengers who disobeyed God and are not dead in the grave (chains) awaiting judgement.

As you can see these are random passages each with their own context and back story none of which offers any evidence for fallen angels.

Many questions have been presented on each of these passages with some walking away while others struggling to provide an answer.

Hope that helps

F2F

Those sons of God texts are preceded by the Sumerian accounts of the Anunnaki,their gods,who became known as the Nephilim in our bibles.

 

[face2face]

Those sons of God texts are preceded by the Sumerian accounts of the Anunnaki,their gods,who became known as the Nephilim in our bibles.

As I said, stay within the context which is the sons of Seth / sons of Cain. If you don't understand the story read Genesis 1-5 and you will see it's two family lines coming together.

F2F

 

[Rella ~ I am a woman]

2 Corinthians 5:17 says, "Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things have become new"

God is eternal, meaning no beginning, no end. I was created by God with many qualities like God. He equipped me with physical features, abilities, a mind, emotions, a will, talents and now has equipped me with a new spirit which will live on without end. Eing I'm Christ does not mean you are Christ. I think of it as being in love with Christ. We are in His heart, we have a loving relatiinship that is secure. He has taken us in, we are saved and no one can separate us.


It does make sense to many Christians, who believe we are born again, given a new spirit, yet still possess the flesh (two natures). This is why we are instructed to walk in the Spirit , not the flesh. If we could only walk in the Spirit, people would make an astounding discover- "Hey, look what happens to Christians when they are born again, they become perfect!"
No we don't, no we aren't behaviorly, spiritually yes.

The soul is said to be the mind, will, and emotions where we think and feel. Whereas the spirit gives us the ability to have an intimate relationship with God and is made alive and perfect the moment, we are born again.

Luke 1:46-47 “And Mary said, “My soul magnifies the Lord, and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior,”
Soul is expressed as your consciousness apart from GOD.
1 Thessalonians 5:23 “Now may the God of peace himself sanctify you completely, and may your whole spirit and soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.”

Romans 8:16 refers to our spirit; saying, “The Spirit himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,”

Everyone is given spiritual gifts, though one may not be aware of them. There are tests that show your strengths, things you are drawn to that help others, particular times when God uses you I'm certain ways and you seem to use thus gift often.

Perfect analysis, perfectly explained.

 

[face2face]

Sons of God vs Daughters of Men

Who else in the line of men were strong in stature and prowess? Who can stay within the Genesis Story? I get you all want Angels to sin etc, but without an origin story and a disregard the story provided where does that leave your integrity?

Like the sons of Lamech, of the time of Cain, they exercised great power in the fields of profit, pleasure, power and permissiveness. They reflected the fierce, military boastfulness of Lamech who threatened others with death if they dared impede his course.

Genesis 6:2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful. Thus they took wives for themselves from any they chose

Compare:

Genesis 4:22 Now Zillah also gave birth to Tubal-Cain, who heated metal and shaped all kinds of tools made of bronze and iron. The sister of Tubal-Cain was Naamah. 4:23 Lamech said to his wives, “Adah and Zillah! Listen to me! You wives of Lamech, hear my words! I have killed a man for wounding me, a young man for hurting me. 4:24 If Cain is to be avenged seven times as much, then Lamech seventy-seven times!”

It's simply a case of God believers intermarrying with the world.

A story which starts in Genesis and is carried out till the end of the Revelation

As a side note:

The same term, nephilim (giants), is used to describe the powerful warriors of Canaan whom the spies of Israel encountered as they surveyed the land to be conquered (Num 13:33). Doubtless there were among them men of outstanding stature such as Goliath, but
it was the attitude of ruthless indifference towards others that characterised them as giants in wickedness.

Enjoy
F2F

 

[face2face]

Those sons of God texts are preceded by the Sumerian accounts of the Anunnaki,their gods,who became known as the Nephilim in our bibles.

Yes, men have long believed themselves to be like gods - the son of Lamach are no exception.

The first to break away from the one man one wife also!

"And Lamech took unto him two wives"

Notice how even the meaning of his daughters names means beautiful?

"Adah" — Her name means adorned, beauty or pleasant.
"Zillah" — Her name signifies comfort, or shade.

Good Bible reading is important BlessedPeace and I'm not seeing any of it in your responses. It's as if you were reading Happy Potter and you wanted to introduce characters from The Lord of the Rings - just doesn't work that way I'm afraid.

Allow the Word of God to teach you - its setting a scene in Genesis 4 which is played our in chapter 6!

Thanks for your contribution.

F2F

 

[BlessedPeace]

Yes, men have long believed themselves to be like gods - the son of Lamach are no exception.

The first to break away from the one man one wife also!

"And Lamech took unto him two wives"

Notice how even the meaning of his daughters names means beautiful?

"Adah" — Her name means adorned, beauty or pleasant.
"Zillah" — Her name signifies comfort, or shade.

Good Bible reading is important BlessedPeace and I'm not seeing any of it in your responses. It's as if you were reading Happy Potter and you wanted to introduce characters from The Lord of the Rings - just doesn't work that way I'm afraid.

Allow the Word of God to teach you - its setting a scene in Genesis 4 which is played our in chapter 6!

Thanks for your contribution.

F2F

I consider the critic,yourself,and your post history here.

You think you levy an insult. You missed.
Then,you double down on your behavior by giving thanks to the one you tried and failed to insult.
Do you feel well read in the scripture when you resort to such behavior? Intellectually superior?

If so,good for you.

While those of us who are versed in Hermeneutics, Soteriology,Apologetics,and all the other fields of study related to Christ Theology, know who you are.

It's why some pray for you. While others ,like myself,also wonder unto what deeper depths you'll plummet, when in your world you believe vomiting insults please your god.

And hides the fact it is you who know not the word of ours.

Face 2 face? Yes,one day. And then you will answer for every word.

You don't believe this now.
Truth does not require faith.

 

[face2face]

I consider the critic,yourself,and your post history here.

Yes.

You think you levy an insult. You missed.

No...just pointing out the "truth" - which also has Biblical support unlike yours - correct?

Then,you double down on your behavior by giving thanks to the one you tried and failed to insult.

Okay.

Do you feel well read in the scripture when you resort to such behavior? Intellectually superior?

No, recall the OP is about Angels and their inability to sin. You tried and failed to show the entire story in your mind is based on Genesis 6:2. This is not about being superior although it concerns me you have taken it there, should I be concerned?

If so,good for you.

This is not a Pi_ _ ing contest Blessed - this actually has very serious consequences both about end times and the future hope of what eternity will hold for believers. Maybe you think your reply is a smug way of dealing with these issues but in truth its wont cut it.

While those of us who are versed in Hermeneutics, Soteriology,Apologetics,and all the other fields of study related to Christ Theology, know who you are.

Pleading?

It's why some pray for you.

As Christ said, maybe they should pray for themselves...I know whats coming and its not rebel angels!

While others ,like myself,also wonder unto what deeper depths you'll plummet, when in your world you believe vomiting insults please your god.

Yeah yeah yeah...is this it Blessed - Go back and look at your replies and see how empty they are of His Word or any relevant explanation of it...and you are well versed in hermaneutics?

And hides the fact it is you who know not the word of ours.

Face 2 face? Yes,one day. And then you will answer for every word.

You don't believe this now.
Truth does not require faith.

How long, O simple one, will you love being simple?

F2F

 

[Duck Muscles]

It matters not...its a word descriptive of a man who was proud and fell. It's just amazing how deluded Christians are to believe in fallen angels. If they actually read their Bibles for themselves and asked semi intelligent questions they wouldn't find themselves in this situation.
F2F

Obviously you don't think much of Christians.

Maybe in your judgement Christians appear not to ask semi intelligent questions because in truth you're not intelligent enough to comprehend what we're talking about .

Bye.

 

[face2face]

Obviously you don't think much of Christians.

This is true...we have a sad history of telling lies and accepting them! Keep in mind the Pharisees suffered the same end as you will recall and to them was given the oracles of God (KJV).

Maybe in your judgement Christians appear not to ask semi intelligent questions because in truth you're not intelligent enough to comprehend what we're talking about .

Bye.

Not so. When an intelligent question is asked and reluctance to answer follows it speaks volumes of the type of faith that person holds.

You know what is meant by this.

F2F

 

[Rella ~ I am a woman]

Yes.

No...just pointing out the "truth" - which also has Biblical support unlike yours - correct?

Okay.

No, recall the OP is about Angels and their inability to sin. You tried and failed to show the entire story in your mind is based on Genesis 6:2. This is not about being superior although it concerns me you have taken it there, should I be concerned?

Do you recognize what was required for a book to make it into the biblical canon?

I recently posted an article that is not only enlightening but also educational. There are others but I shall quote from this one as it is already posted on here.

"when they created the Canon of Scriptures, one of the criteria they used for inclusion in the canon was; Is it mentioned and/or quoted elsewhere in scripture? Enoch meets this criteria.

How so you ask?

From the same article "Enoch is mentioned in Genesis, Luke, and Hebrews; and the book of Enoch was quoted by both Jude and Pete"

So I ask you what do you know about Enoch? Have you read the book? Have you read from differing translations? Are you aware that the Book of Enoch is, in fact, in the Ethiopian Bible?

The above comments are important to know and understand when one reads Enoch.

Enoch wrote about his 10 weeks of prophecy.

Within that 10 weeks is suggested by Enoch... that the "angels who mated with women would have been in week 2. Covering the years from 700-1400 AA, 3300-2600 BC

And after me there shall arise in the second week great wickedness, And deceit shall have sprung up; And in it there shall be the first end. And in it a man shall be saved; And after it is ended unrighteousness shall grow up, And a law shall be made for the sinners.
Great wickedness after the angels that sinned and came to the earth and took human women for wives. They taught men and women many evil things, and mankind loved it and became wicked in their own hearts. When God decided to destroy the earth it was because "Gen 6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually."

Further reading can be found in Enoch's Description Of The Fall Of Angels ... Chapter 19 – The Book of Enoch

1. Then Uriel said, Here the angels, who cohabited with women, appointed their leaders;

2. And being numerous in appearance made men profane, and caused them to err; so that they sacrificed to devils as to gods. For in the great day there shall be a judgment, with which they shall be judged, until they are consumed; and their wives also shall be judged, who led astray the angels of heaven that they might salute them.

3. And I, Enoch, I alone saw the likeness of the end of all things. Nor did any human being see it, as I saw it.

And before you say that is one translation... here is a second.

Chapter 19 verses 1-3 expand on an incident mentioned in Genesis 6:1-2. It says: "And Uriel said to me: 'Here shall stand the angels who have connected themselves with women, and their spirits assuming many different forms are defiling mankind and shall lead them astray into sacrificing to demons as gods , (here shall they stand,) till the day of the great judgment in which they shall be judged till they are made an end of. And the women also of the angels who went astray shall become sirens.' And I, Enoch, alone saw the vision, the ends of all things: and no man shall see as I have seen."

It happened... Angels did sin.... GET OVER IT.

This is not a Pi_ _ ing contest Blessed - this actually has very serious consequences both about end times and the future hope of what eternity will hold for believers. Maybe you think your reply is a smug way of dealing with these issues but in truth its wont cut it.

Pleading?

As Christ said, maybe they should pray for themselves...I know whats coming and its not rebel angels!

Yeah yeah yeah...is this it Blessed - Go back and look at your replies and see how empty they are of His Word or any relevant explanation of it...and you are well versed in hermaneutics?

How long, O simple one, will you love being simple?

F2F

 

[face2face]

Do you recognize what was required for a book to make it into the biblical canon?

Yes I do.

I recently posted an article that is not only enlightening but also educational. There are others but I shall quote from this one as it is already posted on here.

Okay.

"when they created the Canon of Scriptures, one of the criteria they used for inclusion in the canon was; Is it mentioned and/or quoted elsewhere in scripture? Enoch meets this criteria.

According to Rella I assume?

How so you ask?

No, I didn't...but do go on...

From the same article "Enoch is mentioned in Genesis, Luke, and Hebrews; and the book of Enoch was quoted by both Jude and Pete"

So I ask you what do you know about Enoch? Have you read the book? Have you read from differing translations? Are you aware that the Book of Enoch is, in fact, in the Ethiopian Bible?

The above comments are important to know and understand when one reads Enoch.

Enoch wrote about his 10 weeks of prophecy.

Within that 10 weeks is suggested by Enoch... that the "angels who mated with women would have been in week 2. Covering the years from 700-1400 AA, 3300-2600 BC

And after me there shall arise in the second week great wickedness, And deceit shall have sprung up; And in it there shall be the first end. And in it a man shall be saved; And after it is ended unrighteousness shall grow up, And a law shall be made for the sinners.
Great wickedness after the angels that sinned and came to the earth and took human women for wives. They taught men and women many evil things, and mankind loved it and became wicked in their own hearts. When God decided to destroy the earth it was because "Gen 6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually."

Further reading can be found in Enoch's Description Of The Fall Of Angels ... Chapter 19 – The Book of Enoch

1. Then Uriel said, Here the angels, who cohabited with women, appointed their leaders;

2. And being numerous in appearance made men profane, and caused them to err; so that they sacrificed to devils as to gods. For in the great day there shall be a judgment, with which they shall be judged, until they are consumed; and their wives also shall be judged, who led astray the angels of heaven that they might salute them.

3. And I, Enoch, I alone saw the likeness of the end of all things. Nor did any human being see it, as I saw it.

And before you say that is one translation... here is a second.

Chapter 19 verses 1-3 expand on an incident mentioned in Genesis 6:1-2. It says: "And Uriel said to me: 'Here shall stand the angels who have connected themselves with women, and their spirits assuming many different forms are defiling mankind and shall lead them astray into sacrificing to demons as gods , (here shall they stand,) till the day of the great judgment in which they shall be judged till they are made an end of. And the women also of the angels who went astray shall become sirens.' And I, Enoch, alone saw the vision, the ends of all things: and no man shall see as I have seen."

It happened... Angels did sin.... GET OVER IT.

Unimpressed Rella.

Show us where the Bible refers to the Book of Enoch?

It's a pseudepigraphic work! You know what that means don't you?

Not only have you swallowed the false doctrine of fallen angel theology, you have been deceived into thinking this book should be in the Cannon of Scripture, which has been so widely refuted I am amazed there is still someone like you out there pushing this erroreous teaching.

You know what your post proves? Well, those who believe in Fallen Angels well they have itching ears because they have allowed themselves to even defile their own reward because they listen to clouds without water! Now you have taken this further...you beleive the Bible is not complete in its Two Testements, which defies belief - your ears have the type of itch only an angle grinder could satisfy.

Return to the Word of God Rella... else you only prove to all here your interest is in creating a name for yourself.

If you would like some articles which you seem to like I can forward you information on the falsly named book of Enoch.

Let me know...also, if you are interested in Jewish mysticism I can recommend a couple of reads.

I prefer the inspired writ.

F2F

 

[face2face]

By no means in this thread done!

For angels to sin there must be Enmity.

Enmity is a deep-rooted hatred

“I will put enmity between thee and the woman, between thy seed and her seed”.

Enimity is the expression of a carnal mind (animal base instinct) from flesh nature.

If Angels do not die and they are minsitering Spirits beholding the Face of God and bearing His Name and Nature - what is the source of Enmity in an Angel?

F2F

 

[The Learner]

New #119
Amos 6:10e

"We must not mention the name of the Lord.”

ASV "we may not make mention of the name of Jehovah."

CEB
"We mustn’t mention the name of the Lord.”

DARBY
we may not make mention of Jehovah's name.
CJB "we mustn’t mention the name of Adonai.”

NWT For it is not the time to make any mention of the name of Jehovah.’”
adds words not in the Hebrew to avoid this command!!! lol

 

[BlessedPeace]

Do you recognize what was required for a book to make it into the biblical canon?

I recently posted an article that is not only enlightening but also educational. There are others but I shall quote from this one as it is already posted on here.

"when they created the Canon of Scriptures, one of the criteria they used for inclusion in the canon was; Is it mentioned and/or quoted elsewhere in scripture? Enoch meets this criteria.

How so you ask?

From the same article "Enoch is mentioned in Genesis, Luke, and Hebrews; and the book of Enoch was quoted by both Jude and Pete"

So I ask you what do you know about Enoch? Have you read the book? Have you read from differing translations? Are you aware that the Book of Enoch is, in fact, in the Ethiopian Bible?

The above comments are important to know and understand when one reads Enoch.

Enoch wrote about his 10 weeks of prophecy.

Within that 10 weeks is suggested by Enoch... that the "angels who mated with women would have been in week 2. Covering the years from 700-1400 AA, 3300-2600 BC

And after me there shall arise in the second week great wickedness, And deceit shall have sprung up; And in it there shall be the first end. And in it a man shall be saved; And after it is ended unrighteousness shall grow up, And a law shall be made for the sinners.
Great wickedness after the angels that sinned and came to the earth and took human women for wives. They taught men and women many evil things, and mankind loved it and became wicked in their own hearts. When God decided to destroy the earth it was because "Gen 6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually."

Further reading can be found in Enoch's Description Of The Fall Of Angels ... Chapter 19 – The Book of Enoch

1. Then Uriel said, Here the angels, who cohabited with women, appointed their leaders;

2. And being numerous in appearance made men profane, and caused them to err; so that they sacrificed to devils as to gods. For in the great day there shall be a judgment, with which they shall be judged, until they are consumed; and their wives also shall be judged, who led astray the angels of heaven that they might salute them.

3. And I, Enoch, I alone saw the likeness of the end of all things. Nor did any human being see it, as I saw it.

And before you say that is one translation... here is a second.

Chapter 19 verses 1-3 expand on an incident mentioned in Genesis 6:1-2. It says: "And Uriel said to me: 'Here shall stand the angels who have connected themselves with women, and their spirits assuming many different forms are defiling mankind and shall lead them astray into sacrificing to demons as gods , (here shall they stand,) till the day of the great judgment in which they shall be judged till they are made an end of. And the women also of the angels who went astray shall become sirens.' And I, Enoch, alone saw the vision, the ends of all things: and no man shall see as I have seen."

It happened... Angels did sin.... GET OVER IT.

Come now! Lucifer was not an angel! Lucifer was the king of Babylon who tried to lead a war against God in heaven....and lost. And after his loss he was cast from Heaven into Babylon.

 

[face2face]

Come now! Lucifer was not an angel! Lucifer was the king of Babylon who tried to lead a war against God in heaven....and lost. And after his loss he was cast from Heaven into Babylon.

Where do you get this nonsense?

How did he get to Heaven? Maybe a fiery golden chariot took him and his Babylonian Army to Heaven?

Maybe there was a uber service?

F2F

 

[face2face]

If Angels do not die and they are ministering Spirits beholding the Face of God and bearing His Name and Nature - what is the source of Enmity in a Rebel Angel?

 

[Kabone]

If Angels do not die and they are ministering Spirits beholding the Face of God and bearing His Name and Nature - what is the source of Enmity in a Rebel Angel?

Could the verse that talks about the wages of sin is death be referring to just people and not apply to angels?

 

[face2face]

Could the verse that talks about the wages of sin is death be referring to just people and not apply to angels?

God is just and His treatment of sin is not inconsistent.
So, no.

 

[The Learner]

rth

 

[Rella ~ I am a woman]

Come now! Lucifer was not an angel! Lucifer was the king of Babylon who tried to lead a war against God in heaven....and lost. And after his loss he was cast from Heaven into Babylon.

THE FOLLOWING IS MISERABLY CHOPPED UP. I KEPT GETTING TOO MANY CHARACTER WARNING AND WHEN MY OWN CHARACTER COUNTER HAD ME DOWN TO 788 CHARACTERS I JUST STARTS TO REMOVE THINGS AND POSTED TO GO TO THE (ONE) LINK ... FOR FULL ARTICLE....

Wiki says:
The Fallen Angel (1847) by Alexandre Cabanel (Musée Fabre, Montpellier). The most common meaning for Lucifer in English is as a name for the Devil in Christian theology.It appeared in the King James Version of the Bible in Isaiah

Got Questions says:
The Bible nowhere explicitly describes Satan as an angel before he rebelled against God and was cast out of heaven. Assuming Ezekiel 28:12–18 is symbolic of Satan’s fall, Satan is described as a “guardian cherub.” Cherubs are angelic creatures, possibly the highest order of angels. So, in that sense, yes, Satan was an angel.
Revelation 12:7, describing the end-times war in heaven, says, “Michael [the archangel] and his angels fought against the dragon [Satan] and his angels.” Whether or not Satan is technically an angel is beside the point. Satan is an angelic-type creature with a close connection to the angels.

History.com
The Devil is often identified as Lucifer, a fallen angel who rebelled against God in the Bible.

Brittanica:
Satan, in the three major Abrahamic religions (Judaism, Christianity, and Islam), the prince of evil spirits and adversary of God.Satan is traditionally understood as an angel (or sometimes a jinnī in Islam) who rebelled against God rebelled against God and was cast out of heaven with other “fallen” angels before the creation of humankind. Ezekiel 28:14–18 and Isaiah 14:12–17 are the key Scripture passages that support this understanding, and, in the New Testament, in Luke 10:18 Jesus states that he saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven. In all three major Abrahamic religions, Satan is identified as the entity (a serpent in the Genesis account) that tempted Eve to eat the forbidden fruit in the Garden of Eden and was thus the catalyst for the fall of humankind. (For further discussion of Satan in Islam, see Iblīs. For further discussion of Satan in Jewish folklore, see Samael.)

From Christianity . com The Story of Lucifer - How Did He Fall and Become Satan?

Bolding and font size and color changes are mine.

Satan was an angel who rebelled against God and became the Devil

How Did Lucifer Fall and Become Satan?​

Lucifer became so impressed with his own beauty, intelligence, power, and position that he began to desire for himself the honor and glory that belonged to God alone. This pride represents the actual beginning of sin in the universe—preceding the fall of the human Adam by an indeterminate time.



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It would seem from the context of Ezekiel 28 that the first ten verses of this chapter are dealing with a human leader. Then, starting in verse 11 and on through verse 19, Lucifer is the focus of the discussion:

(Ezekiel 28:11-19) Go to the link to read this

The Fall of Lucifer in the Bible​

What is the rationale for the conclusion that these latter verses refer to the fall of Lucifer? Whereas the first ten verses in this chapter speak about the ruler of Tyre (who was condemned for claiming to be a god though he was just a man), the discussion moves to the king of Tyre starting in verse 11. Many scholars believe that though there was a human “ruler” of Tyre, the real “king” of Tyre was Satan, for it was he who was ultimately at work in this anti-God city and it was he who worked through the human ruler of the city.



Some have suggested that these verses may actually be dealing with a human king of Tyre who was empowered by Satan. Perhaps the historic king of Tyre was a tool of Satan, possibly even indwelt by him. In describing this king, Ezekiel also gives us glimpses of the superhuman creature, Satan, who was using, if not indwelling, him.
Now, there are things that are true of this “king” that—at least ultimately—can not be said to be true of human beings. For example, the king is portrayed as having a different nature from man (he is a cherub, verse 14); he had a different position from man (he was blameless and sinless, verse 15); he was in a different realm from man (the holy mount of God, verses 13,14); he received a different judgment from man (he was cast out of the mountain of God and thrown to the earth, verse 16); and the superlatives used to describe him don’t seem to fit that of a normal human being (“full of wisdom,” “perfect in beauty,” and having “the seal of perfection,” verse 12 NASB).

Who Is Lucifer and Why Did He Rebel?​

Our text tells us that this king was a created being and left the creative hand of God in a perfect state (Ezekiel 28:12-15). And he remained perfect in his ways until iniquity was found in him (Ezekiel 28:15b). What was this iniquity? We read in Ezekiel 28:17, “Your heart became proud on account of your beauty, and you corrupted your wisdom because of your splendor.” Lucifer apparently became so impressed with his own beauty, intelligence, power, and position that he began to desire for himself the honor and glory that belonged to God alone. The sin that corrupted Lucifer was self-generated pride.
Apparently, this represents the actual beginning of sin in the universe—preceding the fall of the human Adam by an indeterminate time. Sin originated in the free will of Lucifer in which—with a full understanding of the issues involved—he chose to rebel against the Creator.



This mighty angelic being was rightfully judged by God: “I threw you to the earth” (Ezekiel 28:18).

Go to the link to read the rest of this section on 2nd view


There is a third view that I think is preferable to the two views above.

Go to the link to read this 3rd part

What Does the Name Lucifer Mean?​

Go to the link to read this part.

What Does Satan Mean and Tell Us about Lucifer's Rebellion?​

Go to link to rread this