Do you believe this is...

[Kabone]

Is that why we follow Jesus? For the value of eternal life?

Sorry, I just realized these are off topic. You need not answer them.

 

[MA2444]

Angels have God's Divine Nature - Pure & Holy - they do not need God's help - Hebrews 2:16

Ezekiel 28:15-19
15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.

17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.

19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.../KJV

I have more scriptures too if you find it hard to understand that a being like an Angel can be created divine and then fall. Don't be deceived, if you scratch any sin, you will find pride underneath as the base coat. Kind of like you come to think of it. You posture yourself to be so smart and learned and yet your words reveal who you are. Just another slow learning dummy on earth who is at that age where he thinks he knows it all. Not a humble bone in your body.

No quote? I couldn't provide one either!

From this which said, "Fallen angels are lying spirits to assist you into death."

You want some quotes? Most scripture seems lost on you. It seems like if I'd post where it said, ...Jesus wept...you would say oh that means He got a room at the Inn...or something else just as inane and obtuse.

"So are you saying that the Bible is lying or wrong, that there is not fallen angels? Are you sure you're a believer?"

No I am saying you are lying and wrong - big difference.

Oh you need more scripture which you will only try to use as a distraction to attempt to make me doubt what I already know to be true, lol! Nevetheless,

Matthew 25:41
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:.../KJV

So if Angels have Gods divine nature and can not sin then why would God prepare a lake of fire for some of His Angels?

I know, I know. That really means that Jesus got into a boat. Bwahahaha!

Need another one?

2 Peter 2:4
4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;.../KJV

Hmmm, angels who sinned. I wonder what that means? It must show how I am lying somehow if I am? Explain that one. You can not. So you are calling the word of God a liar and not only me!

Because you make mockery of Christ's prayer.

Our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name; thy kingdom come; thy will be done; on earth as it is in heaven. Matthew 6

You are showing a pattern of behavior that is not unlike how women think and talk. Not just any women, women like, Whoopi Goldberg and Joy Beharr. It sounds narcisisstic in nature. Do you watch the View for inspiration on how to argue with Christians and demean them?
You have so much to learn that it isnt funny.

Yes, you are referring to humans not angels - ironically they already have eternal life and cannot sin or die.

Yep, go up a paragraph or two and re-read my scriptures that I posted about the Angels who DID SIN. Gaslighting! (womanish)

Well, if you believe God's angels sin then you believe God's House is divided and that it cannot stand!

Sin in heaven or by an angel brings all Scripture into questions and the Holiness of God; His Sovereignty is lost.

Earth is the sole location of evil and sin.

So is the Bible lying to us ? Did God prepare a fire for the devil and his angels or not? Scripture says yes! So these fallen angels are not "of" God's house anymore. His house in not divided and WILL STAND.

Using your womanly logic, it might look that way to you, but if I applied your logic to your own words then you believe that it is the right thing to do is to worship Satan! Because if angwls cannot sin then the Bible and everything in it is a lie, so let's all worship Satan!

Now of course that isnt true, but then again I dont use your brand of logic with all of it's filthy carnality either. So, good luck with that.
You could always hope that God might knock you off your high horse like He did to Saul, who became Paul. I heard some pastors testimony one time about when the Spirit of the Lord came upon him in his church and pinned him face down on the floor and made him scoot across the floor with his face to the ground while speaking to him, I am God, you are not...I am God, you are not...over and over.

I dont know what the guy did for God to do that, but...I believe it happened. Hey, it could happen to you!

 

[MA2444]

Is that why we follow Jesus? For the value of eternal life?

So...are you saying that you dont want a relationship with the Lord God for Himself, but for what He has and could give you?

That's incorrect brother. That is not the reward in Heaven. It is the being able to dwell with the Almighty God in His very presence. For HIM. If you don't know what I am talking about, then you have never felt the actual presence of God for yourself.

At least go to youboob and watch some testimonies of people who had encounters with God or were taken up. in spirit for a visit or a NDE.

As a sidenote, I've always wondered why they call them near death experiences. Arent they near Life experiences?!

Peoples testimonies all sound the same on some points. Once they felt what being in His presence felt like, they did not want to return to earth. So this then, is our real reward. Everything else is just that....these things shall be added unto you type of things and not th reward. he reward is knowing Him and being in His presence. I've felt this a few times myself.

One time, Jesus walked into my room. I did not see Him, but I felt Him. Everything changed. It was like the atmosphere became charged with electricity or something, it was...wow! Let me tell you Brother, When Jesus walks into the room, there is no mistaking it! I instantly knew I was in the very presence of the Lord. I felt many things. I felt His power. I felt His pure love for me. He did speak to me and told me to pray for a certain man which I did.

But after that...I knew it. I Knew that is our reward and nothing else! Divine fluff just makes things nice for us there, but I'm getting over my head there (Lol) because the mind of man can not comprehend the goodness that God has in store for us, besides the Fellowship with Lord God Creator Almighty. :)

Now after that

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

A dead corpse is a body without life! A fool is a body but has no functioning mind! A fool forces notions on the Word is NOT a person with spirit and soul and body - a whole person, which Paul prays may be "preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ."

Such a person who changes the Word of God will have other things to fear when he comes.

Just one last thing. Animals have souls but plants do not, yet plants have life. Your insinuations and insults are your fruit and so do not effect me. So bon voyage.

 

[face2face]

Is that why we follow Jesus? For the value of eternal life?

The conundrum for me about sinning and dying and immortals is how is satan not dead?

The wages of sin is death - is the Divine Decree unchangeable though fallen angel believers don't understand the seriousness of Romans 6:23.

F2F

 

[face2face]

I've never met a Christian that talks like you do.

Take that as a compliment ;)

But it's not that you sound oh that guy knows his stuff I could learn from him type of talking, you have more of a gaslighting type of talking.

Love that word gaslighting, my kids use it often - must be the "in"word at the minute.

Like your "answer" to me here. At first glance it sounds like an answer. At second glance it sounds like a dodge and gaslighting.

No dodge! You asked me about my God - when you meet someone for the first time there is always an exchange of names is there not?

I didn't ask you if you knew the Christian God name. I asked you your Gods name. What do you call him when you talk to Him? You never said "My" God. You said "He" has many names. Even the Demons know His names...and tremble.

Here you are quoting James. The common language of the day is being used which incorporates Greek Theory and Philosophy. They believed that demons were the cause of madness, epileptic disorders, and deformities etc. They "possessed" the afflicted in the sense that
the term is used in Acts 16:16.

Out of interest do you know why James uses the word TREMBLE?

Thankfully today with science and modern medicine we understand its not external possession of an evil force but the weakness of our nature.

Most Christians know this to be true however few engage their brains long enough to allow the wisdom of logic.

So no need to continue unless you can speak like an adult in a non-gaslighting way!

Okay - maybe next time you can be more specific with your question and define precisely what it is you are seeking.

I see you cherry picked a couple of my questions that you thought you could gaslight your way through and totally ignored the other questions???? What's with that brother?!

Best use of time - if you want all your questions answered then I could ask you to do the same, would this be fair?

Another dodge. Did you think that you can make this about me? That I would jump to explain myself? ...when I was the one asking you a question that you dont want to answer...Nice try wrong guy.

It's possible you are over thinking this MA.

Looks like you have put a lot of work into your posts with very little reward.

What are you aiming to achieve here?

This subject is almost done, unless someone presents some real evidence it appears the OP's claim that

1. Angels always do His commands (no sin)
2. God's Will is always done in Heaven and yet to be fulfilled on earth

Take care
F2F

 

[face2face]

Just one last thing. Animals have souls but plants do not, yet plants have life. Your insinuations and insults are your fruit and so do not effect me. So bon voyage.

Correct, humans are no different to animals. The fact that you try to change the Word is not an insult, its a fact you need to address. You force man made notions (pictures and images) onto the Word in the hope of confirming your bias to a particular doctrine. You are not alone. BTW the end of all animal life is the same - humans have no advantage over the animal kingdom in relation to life and death. We do however have the capability of morally reasoning God Words and by this become spiritual people.
F2F

 

[Kabone]

The wages of sin is death - is the Divine Decree unchangeable though fallen angel believers don't understand the seriousness of Romans 6:23.

F2F

I get now what others have been writing about you dodging questions.

 

[face2face]

Is that why we follow Jesus? For the value of eternal life?

The conundrum for me about sinning and dying and immortals is how is satan not dead?

Sorry Kabone, I missed that first question - no dodge and nothing to hide.

What you are asking is whether our motive for following the Lord is eternal life?

The answer is yes & no.

The Apostle Paul puts a lovely way in Romans 2.

to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life; Romans 2:7

Some observations here if I may.

We dont have glory, honor or immortality as these qualities belonging to God, which He gave to His Son, and in turn he will give to his disciples when he returns. Notice how as a result of seeking these things in this life (Like Matt 6 Beatitudes) Christ will grant Eternal Life.

We follow the Lord because we love him and endeavor to obey his commands - he calls us friends if we do this.

Hope that answers your question.

Also, you should go back through the thread and see how many of my questions still remain unanswered - I think you would find the tally is well and truly in my favour.

God bless
F2F

 

[MA2444]

Take that as a compliment ;)

This reveals your total lack of comprehension, thank you for making my point because it was clearly written as an insult.

Love that word gaslighting, my kids use it often - must be the "in"word at the minute.

That word has been around for around 100 years now so it's not that it's a new word, it's that you dont really know what it means, lol!

No dodge! You asked me about my God - when you meet someone for the first time there is always an exchange of names is there not?

You didnt answer that question. You spoke "of" the Christian God, but you never said your God.

Okay - maybe next time you can be more specific with your question and define precisely what it is you are seeking.

What am I seeking? You got me. I am seeking something. I've approached it from a few different angles and havent got a response to any angle of it!

It seems as if, you can not or will not speak of the Christian God as your God on a personal level. You've never said for instance, Jesus the Christ is my Lord.

I've asked you this question many times now, and you never have answered it:
Did Jesus come in the flesh on earth and get crucified and rise again on the 3rd day?
Is that not specific enough you, turd brain? Lol, Geez!

It's possible you are over thinking this MA.

Looks like you have put a lot of work into your posts with very little reward.

Not really. Your type of tripe can be answered off the cuff, from things I know from having spent enough time with the Lord to have Him teach me many things and so these things are written upon my heart. The Holy Spirit of God is our teacher and will lead us into ALL truth.

And as I come here and read about people talking about God, I seem to see two groups of people. The nut jobs like you who's mouth is full of untruths, and a 2nd group of people who writes things about the Lord...that I know to be a fact because the Lord has taught me the same things! So that makes sense the the Holy Spirit which leads us into all truth, would be teaching the same Truths to different believers, bringing fruit to their words and proof that the Holy Spirit is alive and well and on the job.

Now ask yourself, why would the Holy Spirit teach you differently than many many other people who all are seeking the one real truth? Are you special? Red flag for you.

What are you aiming to achieve here?

This subject is almost done, unless someone presents some real evidence it appears the OP's claim that

1. Angels always do His commands (no sin)
2. God's Will is always done in Heaven and yet to be fulfilled on earth

Oh, mainly I suppose just to establish you as a boy filled with lies in this thread. And I have done that, and quite a few others have done that also and posted the truth with scriptures to back up the truth, because everything must be judged against the book of Truths. The scrupture is our resource for truth and establishes the truth.

So if any new Christians or weak Christians happen to read this thread, all they have to do to check for themselves is to read it for themselves....and it either has the ring of truth to it, or not.

So your OP has be so solidly proofed wrong and very soundly for many pages now. The way I figure it, no one can be that stupid about scripture in these days. We've all heard it a zillion times already, so you my friend are a big faker and a fraud in your words because when the truth is posted to you from the Book of Truth, you simply dismiss it without a thought...

And you call your brand of untruths a wisdom of logic?! Bwahahahahahaha! Oh my Lord! That is so funny because it demonstrates your low comprehension about scripture.
Ok read and learn friend. Logic is of the Intellect and is Knowledge, so it is carnal and of the soul.
Wisdom has nothing to do with the soul. Wisdom is of the spirit, and the heart, and the Conscience. Intuition and so is the flip side of Logic. Maybe if you learned more about words and their meanings you will come to learn these things. And you should actually try reading your Bible for once. When you don't read your Bible, and someone posts scripture to you, you have no clue, (or knowingly act as such on purpose just to be confusing and Trollish) and your replys to scripture posts are either non-existant, or so far from wisdom of truth that they be absurd. You dont even ask good questions!

So between me and other posters, I think we have done well to expose your BS in this thread, so there is little chance that new or weak Christians would be swayed from the truth with your lies. They will rad the scriptures of truth for themselves and wonder why you would say such stupid things that are unscriptural? No one is that stupid nowadays! Not even you.

WHat does that tell us? That you are evil in your intent. I've spoken to the spirit in you through this thread and tested him....and he wont let you say his name or answer certain questions. And that my friend establishes a truth about you.

Take care.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Correct, humans are no different to animals. The fact that you try to change the Word is not an insult, its a fact you need to address.

I did not say humans and animals are no different. I said animals have a soul. They have instincts, pre-programed abilities to live their unique lives. We are made in God's image. Do you even know what that means? Our intelligence, abilities, talents, is vastly more advanced. We are given a spirit, the special essence if us that can communicate, fellowship, love God. Our God consciousness if you will. Our creative abilities ... well do I need to go on. The rational mind is not clearly seen in animals..They figure stuff out and make choices. Morality? They do choose to be mean or nice ... I am not completely clear about them not being moral at times. We are certainly given a moral code, an inner voice speaks to us, " You ought to go this way or don't do this ... help this person ... beware of that one..."
Who is trying to change the Word? I just interpret it differently. Of course on needs the Holy Spirit to discern the Word.

* Not being a Trinitarian, you deny the Holy Spirit as a person. You don't ask for Him, do jit commune with with - IGNOR HIM. Likely He is not dwelling in you for that reason - talk about the ultimate insult! That maybe blaspheming the Holy Spirit. ??? And because you think HE is not a person, you do not have a relationship with HIM. You do not communicate by any means, sending or receiving anything - kind of like an animal is not aware. He is The Comforter, The Helper, He guides us, convicts us of sin, sanctifies us, edifices us, loves us, etc., etc., etc.
>> Can't really discuss this any further ( forum rules), just pointing out what is missing in your life. We regularly receive confirmation that the Spirit is present and active in us. This confirmation is the key to whether are born again or not. We are to be baptized in the name of the Father and of the Son AND of the Holy Spirit. ( Matt. 28:19)

BTW the end of all animal life is the same - humans have no advantage over the animal kingdom in relation to life and death.

The end of an animals life does not contain judgment. They are not sent to Hades. I would like to see my dog in heaven though, maybe Christ can allow that?

We do however have the capability of morally reasoning God Words and by this become spiritual people.

The natural man reasons God's word. The one who has the Spirit in Him, discerns the Word. Like I said, God is merciful and maybe pulling you along in that dingy behind our ship ... hold on, rough waves ahead.

 

[face2face]

@Duck Muscles

Are you comfortable that the day star is speaking of the King of Babylon and not some fanciful fallen angel?

If not, can you explain to me why would God place this obscure account of a fallen angel in Isaiah's prophecy?

Can you provide the context for such a story and how it relates to the King of Babylon?

Thanks
F2F

 

[Duck Muscles]

@Duck Muscles

Are you comfortable that the day star is speaking of the King of Babylon and not some fanciful fallen angel?

If not, can you explain to me why would God place this obscure account of a fallen angel in Isaiah's prophecy?

Can you provide the context for such a story and how it relates to the King of Babylon?

Thanks
F2F

Daystar?

 

[face2face]

That word has been around for around 100 years now so it's not that it's a new word, it's that you dont really know what it means, lol!

Not quite apparently.

The term "gaslighting" was coined from the 1938 British play called Gas Light, in which a husband manipulates a wife into thinking she is crazy by slyly changing the intensity of the gas lights in their home when she is left alone. He does this in an attempt to make her believe she cannot trust herself or her memory

You didnt answer that question. You spoke "of" the Christian God, but you never said your God.

And as I've asked you twice now what would you like to know about my God!

What am I seeking? You got me. I am seeking something. I've approached it from a few different angles and havent got a response to any angle of it!

Spit it our dear boy

It seems as if, you can not or will not speak of the Christian God as your God on a personal level. You've never said for instance, Jesus the Christ is my Lord.

Have you thought that the OP is about Angels? If you want to start a separate thread about Your God / My God Your Jesus / My Jesus feel free. Maybe you just like going off topic? Is it a control thing on your part? Who knows!

I've asked you this question many times now, and you never have answered it:
Did Jesus come in the flesh on earth and get crucified and rise again on the 3rd day?
Is that not specific enough you, turd brain? Lol, Geez!

Jesus was raised up out of flesh - His mum was Mary and his Father, Yahweh. He was given life by the Holy Spirit ( Gods Power) and was born into the condemned line of Adam, hence why he is called the Second Adam.

Geez comes from a shortening of Jesus, which makes it a euphemism—a milder way of saying something that may be considered offensive, blasphemous, or harsh. Many other words like this (often called mild oaths or minced oaths) are formed in a similar way. The word gosh, for example, is an alteration of the word God.

The Holy Spirit of God is our teacher and will lead us into ALL truth.

Many will make such claims and find it was another spirit which led them.

And as I come here and read about people talking about God, I seem to see two groups of people. The nut jobs like you who's mouth is full of untruths, and a 2nd group of people who writes things about the Lord...that I know to be a fact because the Lord has taught me the same things! So that makes sense the the Holy Spirit which leads us into all truth, would be teaching the same Truths to different believers, bringing fruit to their words and proof that the Holy Spirit is alive and well and on the job.

So error promotes and supports error?

Now ask yourself, why would the Holy Spirit teach you differently than many many other people who all are seeking the one real truth? Are you special? Red flag for you.

Good question.

The original Gospel, as taught by the Apostles is not the Gospel of Christianity today, which has gone through countless human hands and been wrested/twisted forced into man made statements of faith all to confirm a bias for error long taught by your forefathers.

I like the original thank you!

Oh, mainly I suppose just to establish you as a boy filled with lies in this thread. And I have done that, and quite a few others have done that also and posted the truth with scriptures to back up the truth, because everything must be judged against the book of Truths. The scrupture is our resource for truth and establishes the truth.

Every misquote has been dealt with without reply might I add! (go back and see!) even those I respect who hold similar beliefs to me have failed to defend their beliefs.

We have seen Isaiah 14; Ezekeil 28 and 2 Peter 2 all given many questions with not one answer!

So if any new Christians or weak Christians happen to read this thread, all they have to do to check for themselves is to read it for themselves....and it either has the ring of truth to it, or not.

Firstly many Christians know and understand the OT does not teach fallen angel theology so that's a massive red flag to start with - you only have half a Bible lol - then you need to find an origin story for your fallen angel which we know isn't there.

Not looking good for any authentic believer.

So your OP has be so solidly proofed wrong and very soundly for many pages now.

LOL

And you call your brand of untruths a wisdom of logic?! Bwahahahahahaha! Oh my Lord! That is so funny because it demonstrates your low comprehension about scripture. Ok read and learn friend. Logic is of the Intellect and is Knowledge, so it is carnal and of the soul.
Wisdom has nothing to do with the soul. Wisdom is of the spirit, and the heart, and the Conscience. Intuition and so is the flip side of Logic. Maybe if you learned more about words and their meanings you will come to learn these things. And you should actually try reading your Bible for once. When you don't read your Bible, and someone posts scripture to you, you have no clue, (or knowingly act as such on purpose just to be confusing and Trollish) and your replys to scripture posts are either non-existant, or so far from wisdom of truth that they be absurd. You dont even ask good questions!

A lot of words here with little value to the OP? You write a lot but say little - do you know you do this?

So between me and other posters, I think we have done well to expose your BS in this thread, so there is little chance that new or weak Christians would be swayed from the truth with your lies. They will rad the scriptures of truth for themselves and wonder why you would say such stupid things that are unscriptural? No one is that stupid nowadays! Not even you.

I'm interested in your tone and implied use of bad language...do you swear in public? Do you find controlling the tongue a struggle and if so, what measure have you used to try and cease this bad habit? I can help here - I once cussed a lot before I came to my Lord.

WHat does that tell us? That you are evil in your intent. I've spoken to the spirit in you through this thread and tested him....and he wont let you say his name or answer certain questions. And that my friend establishes a truth about you.

Take care.

Well, it tells us this.

- You like to misrepresent the OP and what has taken place
- You like to write a lot of words but say little
- You like to drop the odd offensive word and use the Lords name disrespectfully
- Your integrity is in question because your claims do not match what you say

Work to be done I'd say - your not alone!

F2F

 

[face2face]

Daystar?

Meaning for Lucifer

 

[face2face]

We are given a spirit, the special essence if us that can communicate, fellowship, love God.

I wont answer your whole reply but pick this initial point.

What's your earliest proof for this "special essence?"

F2F

 

[face2face]

Sorry Kabone, I missed that first question - no dodge and nothing to hide.

What you are asking is whether our motive for following the Lord is eternal life?

The answer is yes & no.

The Apostle Paul puts a lovely way in Romans 2.

to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life; Romans 2:7

Some observations here if I may.

We dont have glory, honor or immortality as these qualities belonging to God, which He gave to His Son, and in turn he will give to his disciples when he returns. Notice how as a result of seeking these things in this life (Like Matt 6 Beatitudes) Christ will grant Eternal Life.

We follow the Lord because we love him and endeavor to obey his commands - he calls us friends if we do this.

Hope that answers your question.

Also, you should go back through the thread and see how many of my questions still remain unanswered - I think you would find the tally is well and truly in my favour.

God bless
F2F

@Kabone

Would you like to deal with Romans 2:7?

F2F

 

[Duck Muscles]

Meaning for Lucifer

I recall that identity being that of Morningstar .

I don't recall any reference to Daystar except for an American Christian broadcast station by that same name.

 

[Kabone]

@Kabone

Would you like to deal with Romans 2:7?

F2F

To the extent how it matters if eternal life loses value. You might lose few because of that, but it would still be the most valuable thing you could have. Therefore nearly all would still do good and seek glory, honor, and eternal life.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

I wont answer your whole reply but pick this initial point.

What's your earliest proof for this "special essence?"

F2F

For 35 years I did not have a relationship with Christ. I was not interested, not drawn to Him in any way. I was on my own throne, lost. Them I was found, drawn to Christ through events and people that I realized were planned, not coincidence. I was a divine appointment, as awareness that God existed, that He loved me and had been there all along. These eye opening expereiences: being drawn to God, the Bible, a church, fellowship, prayer, were all ordered, authored by Christ. I received knowledge and faith in Christ and the Holy Spirit, Who confirmed His presense within me communing with my spirit, which was new. Fellow Christians told me in the beginning, it's like you are in a Honeymoon, wonderful and amazing things happen, prayers are answered, change within yourself becomes evident, you experience and are aware of His love _ everyday. We see the world and ourselves differently. That's the special essence of the new self, the new creature, who is like an infant that grows. We become hungry for milk, then later meat. We become aware of sin in others and our own life - we hate it, avoid it and render our old selves crucified with Christ.
To die to selve is spiritually instant as we are born again, which then requires a daily denouncement of sin, with this new direction, following Christ, growing spiritually, making righteous decisions to love God and one another.