Do you believe this is...

[face2face]

I think they would be. Out of all the fallen angels only 200 of them made that pact and started having sex with our women, and scripture says that they disrobed, left their first estate. SO maybe not all of them.

Another Percy Jackson believer! Wow MA I bet you dont have any Scripture to support those crazy notions.

I dunno, you'd have to ask her, lol! But my guess is yes.

That's about right!

I think so.

About sums it all up really

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

The Power of the Most High (Yahweh One true God) is the Holy Spirit - inseparable! Not a person but His Power.

Like the JW, you are a Non- Trinitarian.

I'm not a JW Ronald - it appears you get a lot of things wrong on your side of the fence

Well you are elusive. Is your religion some secret?
08/19/22 in a thread, "The Separation of the Sheep and Goats" you said:
"HS is the Power of God though personified in many places for good reason!

So like the JW's you do not believe the Holy Spirit is a person, but instead the power of God, a force.

And in other threads, like the JW's you are against the existence of a disembodied soul, that the grave is just a grave, hence the believe in SOUL SLEEP.

So, if not JW, what religion do you claim. Even SDA ( who believe in soul sleep) believe in the Trinity.
??

 

[face2face]

Like the JW, you are a Non- Trinitarian.

Like the first century believers, yes!

Well you are elusive. Is your religion some secret?
08/19/22 in a thread, "The Separation of the Sheep and Goats" you said:
"HS is the Power of God though personified in many places for good reason!

Correct, the HS is His Power and while personified throughout the Word which is no different to other themes it is so for us to relate and draw closer to Him whose Power it is.

This is all basic Bible teaching

The final stage is set for an awakening and judgement and I know whose side I desire to be on when he comes."
HS is the Power of God though personified in many places for good reason!

True.

So like the JW's you do not believe the Holy Spirit is a person, but instead the power of God, a force.

Yes, you can confirm these things for yourself - easy to do.

And in other threads, like the JW's you are against the existence of a disembodied soul, that the grave is just a grave, hence the believe in SOUL SLEEP.

Many Christians would love to prove a disembodied soul but sadly they can not. You can try if you like - happy to see your evidence but I know its futile.

As this post proves there are so many false doctrines in the world and you have latched onto many of them.

So, if not JW, what religion do you claim. Even SDA ( who believe in soul sleep) believe in the Trinity.
??

I'm a Disciple of the Lord who endeavors to rightly divide the Word of Truth.

All will be revealed soon.

F2F

 

[face2face]

How long did the copy,paste,take you?

A few minutes..I had to search my resources - read it to confirm I still believe its truth then post it up.
No other comment ;)

 

[MA2444]

Like the JW, you are a Non- Trinitarian.

Well you are elusive. Is your religion some secret?
08/19/22 in a thread, "The Separation of the Sheep and Goats" you said:
"HS is the Power of God though personified in many places for good reason!
The final stage is set for an awakening and judgement and I know whose side I desire to be on when he comes."
HS is the Power of God though personified in many places for good reason!


So like the JW's you do not believe the Holy Spirit is a person, but instead the power of God, a force.

And in other threads, like the JW's you are against the existence of a disembodied soul, that the grave is just a grave, hence the believe in SOUL SLEEP.

So, if not JW, what religion do you claim. Even SDA ( who believe in soul sleep) believe in the Trinity.
??

His religion is a secret. I have asked him many times, what is His name? DId Jesus come in the flesh? Can we hear your tesimony of how you came to the Lord? And he ignores every one of those type questions, so he's got something to hide, lol.

That and all the fairy tales he spins and stuff he just makes up just to be able to say that you people are dumb and so forth like that. It sure doesnt seem to be the Spirit of our Lord that is with that one. By their fruit we will know them...and he aint it! No fruit.

 

[MA2444]

No other comment

That's a stock answer for you huh?

Why wont you tell us who your God is?

 

[face2face]

That's a stock answer for you huh?

Why wont you tell us who your God is?

What would you like to know about Him?

 

[Kabone]

Angels cannot sin
Angels have divine nature
Angels are ministering Spirits to assist you into the Kingdom of God
No such thing as a fallen angel
God's Will is done in Heaven and will soon be done on Earth

So how does this affect the price of rice?

 

[MA2444]

What would you like to know about Him?

Your God's name.
The Spirits name that comes and tells you things.
WHat good things has he done for you?

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Many Christians would love to prove a disembodied soul but sadly they can not. You can try if you like - happy to see your evidence but I know its futile.

First of all, we are body, soul and spirit. ( 1 Thes. 5:23.) God made us in His image, having the soul and spirit parts. The soul is the mind, will, emotions, the personality, talents you may have, the invisible you. The spirit is the part of you that communes with God (that is dead at birth but comes to life when we are born again). Soul and spirit are highly integrated but are not exactly the same since they can be divided. "The Word of God is sharper than a two-edged sword ...", enters into, penetrates and divides soul and spirit. So when we die we go directly to God. "To be absent the body is to be present with the Lord"! This is the salvation and reality of the believer. But since the Word of God does not enter into and divide the unbelievers soul and spirit and therefore does not transform it, it remains the fleshy soul. When tje unbeliever dies, he/she goes to Hades, which is much deeper than six feet btw. They are conscious, in torment, in darkness as the Rich Man in Luke 16 (which is not a Parable btw).
God says about Himself, "My soul is well pleased ...", but His soul is Holy, ours is not. We are being made holy, but still possess the flesh.
Soul ( psuche) Mind, Will, Emotions, Personality (range of habits), talents, the invisible you.
Spirit (pneuma) = The New Eternal you which takes all that is good of you -- Your God Consciousness. As the mind is highly integrated with the brain, our spirit is our purified self. We are born with a dead spirit or spiritual compartment if your will. We can think of this as a God compartment within us that is empty, like a cell phone without a battery. Then we are born again, and God dwells in this place.

Man is spirituallydesigned like the Old Testament Temple. It was a physical template, divided into different sections, it had a Most Holy Place (the Holy of Holies), where God dwelled, behind the veil. Only the High Priest (without sin for one week) could enter. It was where the Ark of the Covenant was as well. When our High Priest (Jesus) enters our hearts (the Temple), He enters into the Courtyard, then into the Holy Place and then lifts the veil of the Most Holy Place so we can see ourselves and the world and have communion with Him.
The Most Holy Place is our spirit, where God dwells - In Christ.
The WORD (sharper than a two-edged sword) goes in and divides the soul and spirit.
The Holy Place represents our soul.
The spirit and soul are the heart of man. It is highly integrated, yet separate - part of us is pure and the other part not. When we die our pure spirit moves on leaving the flesh behind.
The Courtyard represents our body. Our soul and body (the flesh) is where sin dwells.
The Table of Showbread contained the bread and wine that represents our fellowship (communion) with God.
The Lampstand was always lit in the Old Temple. Since Jesus is the Light, we are now able to see spiritually.
The Bronze Laver was used for cleansing before entering the tabernacle to perform sacrifices. It represents the cleansing of the new believer, the baptism by water and our willingness to receive forgiveness and spiritual cleansing.
And be not afraid of those killing the body, and are not able to kill the soul, but fear rather Him who is able both soul and body to destroy in gehenna." Matt.10:28
Here we have a distinction between body and soul. I like what CS Lewis said, "We are a living soul, we have a body." What is a living soul. A plant or tree is not a living soul. It does not have consciousness, a mind, emotions, will, personality.

I'm a Disciple of the Lord who endeavors to rightly divide the Word of Truth.

You are a Non-Trinitarian. Maybe a Unitarian? I have the same problem communicating with them as I do the JW's, so to me you are in the same boat. It's like a little dingy being pulled by our Cruise ship. We can shout things down to you, but you can't quite hear them. But the Lord is merciful with the 2-3% of your ilk, cuddling you along, separate from the rest so as not to corrupt us with your unorthodox doctrines and beliefs.
One last question: Is Jesus God, the Creator, or do you also believe _ like the JW's and Unitarians that He is a created being, an angel?
As far as Sheol being much deeper than six feet, I have a teaching on that. I could share it with you, but likely you won't receive the message.
So just answer that one question about Jesus. Who Jesus is, has a lot to do with your relationship with Him. If you think He is an angel, a created being, you would not worship Him, as angels are not to be worshipped. Yet, every knee will bow to Him.

 

[MA2444]

Angels cannot sin
Angels have divine nature
Angels are ministering Spirits to assist you into the Kingdom of God
No such thing as a fallen angel
God's Will is done in Heaven and will soon be done on Earth

Angels that do not sin have integrity. Angels that do sin do not have integrity. Can you define integrity without looking it up? That should give you a clue where you are.
Angels do have divine nature, but they also have personalities. Do you know the difference?
Angels are ministering Spirits to assist you into the Kingdom of God. Fallen angels are lying spirits to assist you into death.
So are you saying that the Bible is lying or wrong, that there is fallen angels? Are you sure you're a believer?
What makes you think that God's will is always done in Heaven? Doesn't scripture say that God is not willing that any should perish but that all come to repentance and eternal life? So tell me again how God's will is always done in Heaven? That would be the new Heavens and the new earth!

 

[face2face]

So how does this affect the price of rice?

Well, to start with, if you believe Angels can sin, as Divine Beings - the promise of eternal life holds no value, at all, because you are going to sin and die as an immortal. Of course we have Christs words stating its impossible for angels to sin and subsequently die. God's nature cannot sin!

See the conundrum?
See the blasphemy?

F2F

 

[face2face]

Your God's name.

He has many names - all manifestations of His Character i.e Yahweh Sabaoth - means Lord of Armies or of Mighty Ones (Angels!) - also included in this name is Israel's Army as God used this to cleanse the land of the idolater.

Would you like me to go through all His names?

I gave a talk recently which was based in 1 Samuel 15 where Samual reveals a new name for God - "The Lord is the Eternal One of Israel" in this instance His was reflective of His judgement on Saul how He is a God Who does not lie and has no regret you a man!

I could keep going if you like?

The Spirits name that comes and tells you things.

Sounds like you "hear dead people" or maybe you believe you are like Samuel hearing the voice of God calling him?

I'm almost certain you will tell me about your many Spirits

F2F

 

[face2face]

First of all, we are body, soul and spirit. ( 1 Thes. 5:23.) God made us in His image, having the soul and spirit parts. The soul is the mind, will, emotions, the personality, talents you may have, the invisible you. The spirit is the part of you that communes with God (that is dead at birth but comes to life when we are born again).

Being a long post I thought I would deal with the first mistake on your part, as you know lies often gain momentum and grow in size and this above is no exception.

I need to assume you believe a person has in them an "immortal essence" which wafts off to God when you die.

Here is the problem Ronald. You know the words "spirit" ("pneuma") and "soul" ("psuche") are used in a many different ways in Scripture, however, never are the referred to as conscious immortal entities within man.

Body, (soul) life & (spirit) mind is what the Apostle is teaching here.

You are going to want proof are you not?

Spirit as Mind

For though absent in body, I am present in spirit (mind); and as if present, I have already pronounced judgment on the one who did such a thing 1 Co 5:3.

I hope you don't believe Paul's immortal essence has left his body and traveled to Corinth

27 Only let your manner of life be worthy of the gospel of Christ, so that whether I come and see you or am absent, I may hear of you that you are standing firm in one spirit, with one mind striving side by side for the faith of the gospel Php 1:27.

I like it when the Word of God provides you with the definition of a word - here standing with one spirit = one mind. The mind is the location of that Spiritual Mind!

34 and his interests are divided. And the unmarried or betrothed woman is anxious about the things of the Lord, how to be holy in body and spirit. 1 Co 7:34.

How can a woman be Holy in Spirit if the Spirit is of God? This sentence makes no sense whatsoever. What if you use Spirit as MIND?

To be Holy in Body & in Mind - yes you can have an unclean body and mind which is the whole point!

O DEAR RONALD YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS ONE

7 Since we have these promises, beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from every defilement of body and spirit, bringing holiness to completion in the fear of God 2 Co 7.

Is you Spirit defiled Ronald?
How will you cleanse it?
If your immortal indwelling Spirit is of God and its dirty and unclean what does that make your God?

Now do you want me to show you how Soul speaks to the life of a person - the whole of life? How a soul can eat, laugh and yes die?

No more notions Ronald...this thread has seen enough.

F2F

 

[face2face]

Angels that do not sin have integrity.

They behold the face of their father - Matthew 18:10

Angels that do sin do not have integrity. Can you define integrity without looking it up? That should give you a clue where you are.

Angels have God's Divine Nature - Pure & Holy - they do not need God's help - Hebrews 2:16

Angels do have divine nature, but they also have personalities. Do you know the difference?

Correct - not unlike us but Pure & Holy.

Angels are ministering Spirits to assist you into the Kingdom of God.

Correct - Hebrews 1

Fallen angels are lying spirits to assist you into death.

No quote? I couldn't provide one either!

So are you saying that the Bible is lying or wrong, that there is fallen angels? Are you sure you're a believer?

No I am saying you are lying and wrong - big difference.

What makes you think that God's will is always done in Heaven?

Because you make mockery of Christ's prayer.

Our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name; thy kingdom come; thy will be done; on earth as it is in heaven. Matthew 6

Doesn't scripture say that God is not willing that any should perish but that all come to repentance and eternal life?

Yes, you are referring to humans not angels - ironically they already have eternal life and cannot sin or die.

So tell me again how God's will is always done in Heaven? That would be the new Heavens and the new earth!

Well, if you believe God's angels sin then you believe God's House is divided and that it cannot stand!

Sin in heaven or by an angel brings all Scripture into questions and the Holiness of God; His Sovereignty is lost.

Earth is the sole location of evil and sin.

F2F

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

I need to assume you believe a person has in them an "immortal essence" which wafts off to God when you die.

When a person is born again, yes we receiveblife eternal. Otherwise, no I do not believe reprobate are immortal, I believe they will be destroyed.
If we are "in Christ", we remain there even if we die, we live. God has given us eternal life. That is past tense of you are saved. We are not waiting to he saved, we are. We don't die and intonsome unconsious sleep, we remain conscious and go to the Lord.

Here is the problem Ronald. You know the words "spirit" ("pneuma") and "soul" ("psuche") are used in a many different ways in Scripture, however, never are the referred to as conscious immortal entities within man

There is confusion about the wßence of soul and spirit. Many thonk they are the same amd also used interchangeably. But as the sceipture states, if they can be se
divided, they are not the same. Yet highly integrated. You see, God kust separate the evil part of us from our pure spirit he has sanctified, leaving only the good at the end of our lives.
Paul said he would rather be absent the body and present with the Lord, but for our sake he remained to finish his mission. When Stephen was stoned to death, he said Lord receive my spirit.
The Rich Man was conscious in Hades. Luke 16:23-31 wasn't a parable. It wasn't an allegory. Jesus never used names of real people ( Abraham), or create some abstract spiritual location that did not exist. What moral truth would be gained by such a detailed fabrication?

For though absent in body, I am present in spirit (mind); and as if present, I have already pronounced judgment on the one who did such a thing 1 Co 5:3.

Here he is speaking about not being physically present, but in spirit.

Only let your manner of life be worthy of the gospel of Christ, so that whether I come and see you or am absent, I may hear of you that you are standing firm in one spirit, with one mind striving side by side for the faith of the gospel Php 1:27.

I like it when the Word of God provides you with the definition of a word - here standing with one spirit = one mind. The mind is the location of that Spiritual Mind!

Again, this is just a letter, I can't be there, but my heart is with you, united in purpose and mind.

How can a woman be Holy in Spirit if the Spirit is of God? This sentence makes no sense whatsoever. What if you use Spirit as MIND

Holy means separate. Itisnwherw we get the word holi_day. Spiritually, To be holy is to be separate from sin.

Since we have these promises, beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from every defilement of body and spirit, bringing holiness to completion in the fear of God 2 Co 7.

Sanctification is a process. We Still have ethe flesh ( where sin dwells) to Conte d with. There is a war between spirit and flesh - which is why it necessary to separate( divide) the two soul and spirit.

We should just stop here, as I said, there is an impenetrable wall between us, no need to pursue this conversation. Take care.

 

[face2face]

We should just stop here, as I said, there is an impenetrable wall between us, no need to pursue this conversation. Take care.

Yes, the wall is characterized by 2000 years of philosophy which will become evident at his coming.

It was noted your opposition to the record that Spirit is mind, and Soul is life in 1 Thes 5:23

Now may the God of peace himself make you completely holy and may your spirit and soul and body be kept entirely blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. 1 Th 5:23.

The Apostles intent here is "the whole of life" to include Body, Mind and Life.

Very easy to interpret if you are armed with knowledge and wisdom.

The irony for you Ronald is if the Apostle had your eternal indwelling essence in view, the encouragement would be pointless, as everything from God is Holy & Blameless, however that's not what he is saying.

Only the believer can draw closer to God to know that Peace and to be Kept by the Power of His Word!

A dead corpse is a body without life! A fool is a body but has no functioning mind! A fool forces notions on the Word is NOT a person with spirit and soul and body - a whole person, which Paul prays may be "preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ."

Such a person who changes the Word of God will have other things to fear when he comes.

Enjoy!

F2F

 

[Kabone]

Well, to start with, if you believe Angels can sin, as Divine Beings - the promise of eternal life holds no value, at all, because you are going to sin and die as an immortal. Of course we have Christs words stating its impossible for angels to sin and subsequently die. God's nature cannot sin!

See the conundrum?
See the blasphemy?

F2F

Is that why we follow Jesus? For the value of eternal life?

The conundrum for me about sinning and dying and immortals is how is satan not dead?

 

[MA2444]

He has many names - all manifestations of His Character i.e Yahweh Sabaoth - means Lord of Armies or of Mighty Ones (Angels!) - also included in this name is Israel's Army as God used this to cleanse the land of the idolater.

Would you like me to go through all His names?

I gave a talk recently which was based in 1 Samuel 15 where Samual reveals a new name for God - "The Lord is the Eternal One of Israel" in this instance His was reflective of His judgement on Saul how He is a God Who does not lie and has no regret you a man!

I could keep going if you like?

I've never met a Christian that talks like you do. But it's not that you sound oh that guy knows his stuff I could learn from him type of talking, you have more of a gaslighting type of talking. Like your "answer" to me here. At first glance it sounds like an answer. At second glance it sounds like a dodge and gaslighting. I didn't ask you if you knew the Christian God name. I asked you your Gods name. What do you call him when you talk to Him? You never said "My" God. You said "He" has many names. Even the Demons know His names...and tremble. So no need to continue unless you can speak like an adult in a non-gaslighting way!

I see you cherry picked a couple of my questions that you thought you could gaslight your way through and totally ignored the other questions???? What's with that brother?!

Sounds like you "hear dead people" or maybe you believe you are like Samuel hearing the voice of God calling him?

I'm almost certain you will tell me about your many Spirits

Another dodge. Did you think that you can make this about me? That I would jump to explain myself? ...when I was the one asking you a question that you dont want to answer...Nice try wrong guy.

 

[MA2444]

I could keep going if you like?

Sure, continue answering questions, but be more direct and peronalize everything you say.

The Spirits name that comes and tells you things.
WHat good things has he done for you? Did Jesus come in the flesh?

Crickets. Still waiting.

Say like, My God's name is, (whatever) and He is (good/bad) to me and has done this or that for me.
Did Jesus come in the flesh and was crucified and raised to life again the 3rd day? Or not. It's a simple yes or no answer. It's not that tough gaslighter.