Will the Jews build a Third Temple?

[David in NJ]

I think the scriptures show there to be a catching up of the saints prior to the world going to Hell suffering Tribulation.

And even during the Great Tribulation the condemned can still come to redemption.

@BlessedPeace says: "I think the scriptures show there to be a catching up of the saints prior to the world going to Hell suffering Tribulation."

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Well you need to think and believe what our Heavenly FATHER says and nothing else.

Therefore, you will never find anywhere in scripture, at anytime, where God spoke of a pre-trib rapture.

 

[David in NJ]

So then, what do I call the building I gather in to worship Jesus?

You seem keen to correct me on an insignificant issue and ignore the fact of a future Temple. Which must be built in order for the Anti-Christ to stop the sacrifices and offerings, Daniel 9:27 and to sit in the holy Place. Matthew 24:15 & 2 Thess 2:4
The Jews will not build it.

My Brother in Christ, Keraz says: "So then, what do I call the building I gather in to worship Jesus?"

Only call the Sanctified Brethren in Christ the Church of God = His Body

Romans 14:1-4 - "I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that you present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God, which is your reasonable service. And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God."

1 Corinthians 12:13 - For as the body is one and has many members, but all the members of that one body, being many, are one body, so also is Christ. For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and have all been made to drink into one Spirit.
For in fact the body is not one member but many.

 

[BlessedPeace]

@BlessedPeace says: "I think the scriptures show there to be a catching up of the saints prior to the world going to Hell suffering Tribulation."

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Well you need to think and believe what our Heavenly FATHER says and nothing else.

Therefore, you will never find anywhere in scripture, at anytime, where God spoke of a pre-trib rapture.

That's where I derive my understanding from.
Thanks.

 

[David in NJ]

That's where I derive my understanding from.
Thanks.

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When did God ever say: "I will pre-trib rapture My Church"

 

[amigo de christo]

@amigo de christo says:
"THE GOD of the old covenant IS the GOD of the new covenant .
And the torah itself , the law itself , even abraham four hundred and thirty years before the law
even moses himself , POINTED TO CHRIST JESUS .
OH yes . that be a fact my friend . Something todays one world love religoin HAS DENIED"

YES YES YES = That be a FACT and absolute TRUTH and Eternal LIFE

Yet if you notice there are many who act as though somehow
the Jesus of the new covenant is at odds with the GOD of the old covenant
pitting todays jesus against the biblical GOD . rather odd though , if we examine
THeir jesus ,their love , we see it actually contradicts THE VERY JESUS OF THE NEW TEST and his Words .
i seem to notice another version of god and of christ getting taught under guise of and by another love .
And if we take note that love sure seems to embrace it some sin , it seems to be a man pleasing love
and it sure takes a serious and fast stand against the GOD and HIS CHRIST that we read about IN THE BIBLE .
Rainbow diverse jesus has taken the hearts of many far from TRUTH ,
from the very love of the truth whereby they could have been saved ,
has turned both CHRIST and the FATHER into a minstir of sin
And if we take note
through their version of love , acceptance , diverity and etc
IF JESUS and the apostels were to walk into their so called love churches
GUESS what these would both call and say to JESUS and the apostels .
HEY YALL HATERS , YOU DONT KNOW GOD or CHRIST for GOD IS LOVE
YES , GOD IS LOVE , but what they preach AINT LOVE and IT AINT OF GOD either .

 

[amigo de christo]

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When did God ever say: "I will pre-trib rapture My Church"

I will tell us what HE did say .
Cause if JESUS said it we know GOD said it .
In this world YE SHALL HAVE TRIBUILATION . BE FAITHFUL unto death . HE who endures to the end
the same shall be saved .
And paul sure seemed to warn the same . It is through much tribulation that ye enter into the kingdom .
Or , it is the righteous judgment of GOD that ye suffer for the Kingdom .
Or as peter warned too .
But men have prepared their peoples unto the easiest road possible
giving promises of the best life now
and reminding their flocks that before times get rough we will be gone .
That AINT WHAT JESUS DID , nor the apostels . THEY prepared to the church and reminded them
Speaking of reminding , allow me some parting words .
To which i say to this cozy western socities . PREPARE to be hated , to be betrayed
cause hatred will only increase against the true lambs
and great persecutions are coming . The love potion that many churches have sold out unto
will cause all religoins and the world to rise as one
under which they believe to be GOD and LOVE
and THERE WILL BE ABOSLUTELY NO TOLERANCE for any and for all who did not conform to the lie .
Great persecutions ARE COMING against lambs EVEN IN THE WESTERN SOCITIES
and times and laws are CHANGING by which it will be legal to DO SO . TO round up anything
and anyone who did not conform to the diverse inclusive love and cry of the we are one . MARK THEM WORDS david .
EVEN Now its on the rise .

 

[Timtofly]

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When did God ever say: "I will pre-trib rapture My Church"

"But many that are first shall be last; and the last shall be first."

 

[amigo de christo]

"But many that are first shall be last; and the last shall be first."

that was a far cry from answering THE QUESTION my friend .
THE first shall be last and the last shall be first , IT AINT GOT SQUAT to do with pre trib at all .
ANSWER the question my friend .

 

[amigo de christo]

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When did God ever say: "I will pre-trib rapture My Church"

my question is WHEN DID GOD ever say A WHOLE LOT OF what i be even hearing TODAY .
most folks are not following GOD david NOR HIS CHRIST .
dont let the lip flapping fool ya . I was once KING of LIP FLAPPING but my heart was far FROM HIM .
MANY hate and despise the GOD and HIS words in that bible
THE CHRIST in that bible and the apostels in that bible and at best they only use
a few teachings , and even those teachings they do use ARE TWISTED to serve the Wrong ONE .
This is not about to bode well at all for them .
Many hate the GOD that inspired that bible . And that be a serious fact .
i have only one question , but what are they gonna do and say ON THE DAY OF THE LORD .
short answer is WAIL big time .

 

[David in NJ]

my question is WHEN DID GOD ever say A WHOLE LOT OF what i be even hearing TODAY .
most folks are not following GOD david NOR HIS CHRIST .
dont let the lip flapping fool ya . I was once KING of LIP FLAPPING but my heart was far FROM HIM .
MANY hate and despise the GOD and HIS words in that bible
THE CHRIST in that bible and the apostels in that bible and at best they only use
a few teachings , and even those teachings they do use ARE TWISTED to serve the Wrong ONE .
This is not about to bode well at all for them .
Many hate the GOD that inspired that bible . And that be a serious fact .
i have only one question , but what are they gonna do and say ON THE DAY OF THE LORD .
short answer is WAIL big time .

We are ONLY to BELIEVE every word that proceeds from the Mouth of God = Matthew 4:4

We are NEVER permitted to add to God's words = Proverbs 30:5-6

We are NEVER permitted to subtract from God's words = Mark 7:13

 

[David in NJ]

that was a far cry from answering THE QUESTION my friend .
THE first shall be last and the last shall be first , IT AINT GOT SQUAT to do with pre trib at all .
ANSWER the question my friend .

Took the words right out of my mouth = TY

 

[David in NJ]

"But many that are first shall be last; and the last shall be first."

SEE Post #288

 

[Truth7t7]

Ezekiel 40-46 is a millennial kingdom with temple that is symbolic the New Testament congregation since the Cross. Not some physical temple in the future that you believe.

100% "False"

Many Claim Ezekiel Chapters 40-46, Represents A Future Temple In A Millennium On Earth, Is This True?​

As clearly shown, Ezekiel Chapter 43 showed the temple "Pattern" to the House of Israel in the Babylonian Captivity let "Them" measure, Ezekiel was instructed to write the ordinances and law in "Their" sight, that "They" keep them, not some future generation as many "Falsely" claim

The temple seen in Ezekiel Chapters 40-46 is nothing more than the 2nd Zerubbabel Temple built 536BC after the Babylonian Captivity, where animal sacrifice for "Sin" was was instructed by "God", prior to the shed blood of Jesus Christ on Calvary, don't be deceived

Ezekiel 43:10-11 & 19-21KJV
10 Thou son of man, shew the house to the house of Israel, that they may be ashamed of their iniquities: and let them measure the pattern.
11 And if they be ashamed of all that they have done, shew them the form of the house, and the fashion thereof, and the goings out thereof, and the comings in thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the laws thereof: and write it in their sight, that they may keep the whole form thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and do them.

19 And thou shalt give to the priests the Levites that be of the seed of Zadok, which approach unto me, to minister unto me, saith the Lord God, a young bullock for a sin offering.
20 And thou shalt take of the blood thereof, and put it on the four horns of it, and on the four corners of the settle, and upon the border round about: thus shalt thou cleanse and purge it.
21 Thou shalt take the bullock also of the sin offering, and he shall burn it in the appointed place of the house, without the sanctuary.

 

[Truth7t7]

That because the future Millennial temple Jesus will build when He returns, and reign from, will be the temple described in Ezekiel 40 thru 47.

Ezekiel Chapters 47-48 Is The Eternal Kingdom, Dont Be Deceived​

Ezekiel Below Is (The Eternal Kingdom) Same River And Tree Of life, Same Fruit On The Tree, Same Leaves Of The Tree For Healing/Medicine, Same Gates Of New Jerusalem With The Names Of The 12 Tribes Of Israel

(The Eternal Kingdom)

Ezekiel 47:12KJV
12 And by the river upon the bank thereof, on this side and on that side, shall grow all trees for meat, whose leaf shall not fade, neither shall the fruit thereof be consumed: it shall bring forth new fruit according to his months, because their waters they issued out of the sanctuary: and the fruit thereof shall be for meat, and the leaf thereof for medicine.

(The Eternal Kingdom)

Revelation 22:1-2KJV
1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

(The Eternal Kingdom)

Eternal "New Jerusalem"

Ezekiel 48:31KJV
31 And the gates of the city shall be after the names of the tribes of Israel: three gates northward; one gate of Reuben, one gate of Judah, one gate of Levi.

Revelation 21:12KJV
12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:

 

[TribulationSigns]

100% "False"

(Chuckle)...

The promised and restored Temple of Ezekiel 40-48 is all about Christ! Ezekiel 40-48 is detailing and describing to its readers a temple where genuine worship will take place and where God’s presence will be, which was (and is) fulfilled in the coming of the true temple and true place of eternal worship, Jesus Christ. The very temple that Christ rebuilt in 3 days, John 4:19. This means these chapters do not point to some future physical temple structure. Instead, God always intended the chapters to literally (meaning, it was the literary intention of God) point to Jesus himself— to what he did and is for his people in his spiritual temple! It is the temple is a description of and fulfilled in Christ and His gospel. This is why the New Testament teaches with clarity: Jesus CHrist is God's glory tabernacled among us (this is exactly what John said in John 1:14). Jesus Christ is THE temple. Jesus Christ is from where this living water comes. Jesus Christ is where God's perfect worship finally takes place. Jesus Christ is where we can say, "The LORD is there."

He is the FULFILLMENT of the Old Testament promises. He is the promised New Covenant, the new temple from Ezekiel 40-48.

Is this then taking Ezekiel 40-48 non-literally? Not at all. In fact, we now, through the inspired apostles, see that this was God’s literal intention (meaning, God’s literary purpose in his inspired prophetic texts) all along. He was describing perfect worship, his presence, his final restoration in terms the Israelites could understand: with priests, a temple, a land, life-giving water. But the fulfillment of all that shadow-description is the substance, Christ himself.

But okay, go ahead and keep your hope in some future physical temple as if you believe this is where Christ will be found. Good luck with that.

 

[Davy]

Ezekiel Chapters 47-48 Is The Eternal Kingdom, Dont Be Deceived​

NO, it is NOT the Eternal Kingdom!

And it's easy to know the Ezekiel 47 chapter especially, is NOT God's Eternal Kingdom that will ONLY manifest AFTER... Christ's future "thousand years" reign of Revelation 20.

Rev 21:22-23
22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
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Ezek 47:12
12 And by the river upon the bank thereof, on this side and on that side, shall grow all trees for meat, whose leaf shall not fade, neither shall the fruit thereof be consumed: it shall bring forth new fruit according to his months, because their waters they issued out of the sanctuary: and the fruit thereof shall be for meat, and the leaf thereof for medicine.
KJV

Even when God's River of Gen.2 manifests back on earth, along with the Tree of Life on either side of that River, Ezekiel 47 shows those "waters" issue out of the SANCTUARY, which means Christ's future Millennial "thousand years" temple.

When Christ's future "thousand years" reign with His elect of Rev.20 is then over, with all wickedness having perished in the future "lake of fire", including the devil, ONLY THEN will there be no more a temple, ushering in God's Eternal Kingdom with the return of the full GODHEAD back to earth, and being like Rev.21:22-23 says.

 

[Truth7t7]

(Chuckle)...

The promised and restored Temple of Ezekiel 40-48 is all about Christ! Ezekiel 40-48 is detailing and describing to its readers a temple where genuine worship will take place and where God’s presence will be, which was (and is) fulfilled in the coming of the true temple and true place of eternal worship, Jesus Christ. The very temple that Christ rebuilt in 3 days, John 4:19. This means these chapters do not point to some future physical temple structure. Instead, God always intended the chapters to literally (meaning, it was the literary intention of God) point to Jesus himself— to what he did and is for his people in his spiritual temple! It is the temple is a description of and fulfilled in Christ and His gospel. This is why the New Testament teaches with clarity: Jesus CHrist is God's glory tabernacled among us (this is exactly what John said in John 1:14). Jesus Christ is THE temple. Jesus Christ is from where this living water comes. Jesus Christ is where God's perfect worship finally takes place. Jesus Christ is where we can say, "The LORD is there."

He is the FULFILLMENT of the Old Testament promises. He is the promised New Covenant, the new temple from Ezekiel 40-48.

Is this then taking Ezekiel 40-48 non-literally? Not at all. In fact, we now, through the inspired apostles, see that this was God’s literal intention (meaning, God’s literary purpose in his inspired prophetic texts) all along. He was describing perfect worship, his presence, his final restoration in terms the Israelites could understand: with priests, a temple, a land, life-giving water. But the fulfillment of all that shadow-description is the substance, Christ himself.

But okay, go ahead and keep your hope in some future physical temple as if you believe this is where Christ will be found. Good luck with that.

False, Chuckle!

Ezekiel 40-46 was a literal temple on this earth that was built in 536BC after the 70 year Babylonian captivity

Ezekiel 47-48 is the future New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, that will be a literal new creation for the saved believers

Conclusion: Your symbolic interpretation is a joke, there will be a literal new creation where food will be eaten, where rivers flow full of fish, where houses are built and vineyards planted, New Jerusalem will be where God's throne will exist eternally

 

[TribulationSigns]

False, Chuckle!

Ezekiel 40-46 was a literal temple on this earth that was built in 536BC the Babylonia captivity

Ezekiel 47-48 is the future New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, that will be a literal new creation for the saved believers

Conclusion: Your symbolic interpretation is a joke, there will be a literal new creation where food will be eaten, where rivers flow full of fish, where houses are built and vineyards planted, New Jerusalem will be where God's throne will exist eternally

 

[Truth7t7]

Ezekiel 47 shows those "waters" issue out of the SANCTUARY, which means Christ's future Millennial "thousand years" temple.

Ezekiel 47-48 is the New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, same river and tree of life, same names of the tribes of Israel written on the 12 gates, your claim there are "Two" future New Jerusalems is "Laughable"!

The word "Sanctuary" means nothing more than "Holy Place" and New Jerusalem will be God's eternal Holy place, where the river of life flows from the throne of God

The scripture is "Very Clear" that this dwelling place is "God's House" and not a "Temple" as you falsely suggest

Ezekiel 47:1KJV
Afterward he brought me again unto the door of the house; and, behold, waters issued out from under the threshold of the house eastward: for the forefront of the house stood toward the east, and the waters came down from under from the right side of the house, at the south side of the altar.

When Christ's future "thousand years" reign with His elect of Rev.20 is then over, with all wickedness having perished in the future "lake of fire", including the devil, ONLY THEN will there be no more a temple, ushering in God's Eternal Kingdom with the return of the full GODHEAD back to earth, and being like Rev.21:22-23 says.

There won't be a future Millennium on this earth, Jesus returns in fire and final judgement, dissolving this earth by fire (The End)

 

[Timtofly]

that was a far cry from answering THE QUESTION my friend .
THE first shall be last and the last shall be first , IT AINT GOT SQUAT to do with pre trib at all .
ANSWER the question my friend .

God gave the answer in that verse. You all seem to miss which tribulation we are talking about.

The poster said no Scripture could be found. He must have forgotten that verse.

Therefore, you will never find anywhere in scripture, at anytime, where God spoke of a pre-trib rapture.