How did the temple fall and rise again?

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Many people do not understand when the Abomination of Desolation take place if they did not get the part about temple fall and its rebuilding by Christ.

There is an abomination that leaves the congregation of the Lord desolate "both" at Christ's first advent when Israel had gone apostate and was left desolate (at the cross, not AD 70), and just before Christ's second advent when abomination will again stand in the congregation, and result in its desolation. But this has nothing to do with reports of the physical Temple falling in AD 70. The desolation Christ spoke of was metaphorical and concerned the spiritual desert that the nation had become. And the Temple that was brought to ruin and fell was the Old Testament Body of Moses. It was the people who were supposed to be the body of the Lord. They fell by the spiritual sword, not in AD 70, but at the cross. I was referring to, and can be proven if we allow the scripture to be its own interpreter.

Acts 15:14-15
  • "Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.
  • And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,
  • After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:
  • That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things."
How did Christ build again the tabernacle, and how had it fallen down? We learn two very important Biblical facts from these passages. That the falling of the temple or tabernacle of David, which was Christ's body, agrees with the prophecy of the fall and restoration of Israel, the reign of the Seed on the throne of David, and the gospel going to the Gentiles. This is what is illustrated in Acts. In other words, God has been speaking in metaphors, not prophesying about a literal sword coming upon the kingdom, or David literally being reincarnated to reign on the throne, or a literal tabernacle or temple body being physically destroyed and raised up.

Amos 9:10-11
  • "All the sinners of my people shall die by the SWORD, which say, The evil shall not overtake nor prevent us.
  • In that day will I raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen, and close up the breaches thereof; and I will raise up his ruins, and I will build it as in the days of old:"

See? This prophecy was not fulfilled by men with a physical sword coming against the Children of God, as Acts very unambiguously declares, this spoke of the spiritual sword, and of the rebuilding of the Temple or Tabernacle of David, which is the body of Christ. When Satan disputed about the body of Moses, it is the Old Testament congregation that was in dispute. But by Christ's death, the law was fulfilled, and those raised up with Him could no longer be accused by the law. The accuser had been cast down.

John 2:19-21
  • "Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
  • Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
  • But he spake of the temple of his body."
Again you guys, Pay careful note of how the Jews made the exact same mistake that the AD 70 crowd are still making today, in "assuming" that Christ was speaking of physical destruction of the physical temple. The "EXACT" same mistake, proving once again that as saith the preacher,

Ecclesiastes 1:9
  • "The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun."
The prophecy was of the Old Testament body of Israel that was losing its Kingdom, and not a physical Kingdom! And when that kingdom was taken from them, the Holy Place was no longer in Jerusalem, and spiritually the Temple fell and they were left desolate. The New congregation body was rebuilt outside the physical nation, starting with Pentecost, with Christ being the chief cornerstone of that rebuilding. To try and apply the fall of the "HOLY" Temple in prophecy to AD 70, especially after the Cross, is confusion. Some people just cannot seem to comprehend that this loss of Israel's kingdom didn't take place in the Roman destruction, but at the cross. It's a Biblical fact that cannot be "Biblically" refuted.

Matthew 21:42-43
  • "Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvelous in our eyes?
  • Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof."
Christ becomes the cornerstone of what building, guys?! The building of the New Testament Holy Temple, of course! How then can any faithful Christian think that Christ would then make a prophecy of a fall of His holy Temple in the future tense, and be speaking about the Jewish building? HUH?! The rebuilding did not take place in 70AD! As I say, that is confusion. It shows a lack of understanding of "types, shadows, and figures" which God used in the Old Testament. The important thing is that the first Temple or tabernacle would have had to already have fallen FIRST by the time Pentecost arrived. As Christ was prefigured in the literal or rather physical temple (tabernacle) which the Priests served in. He obviously is certainly NOT prefiguring his body in AD 70 by that Jewish Temple building.


It is no coincidence that preceding Christ's first advent there was great apostasy and silence (about 400 years of silence), and preceding His second advent will be Apostasy and silence. That's the point I'm making. The two events are intimately and inextricably connected. Thus prophecies of both times and falls of the congregation can often seem like one another. But "never" like AD 70.

(Contiune to next post)
 

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(Contiune from previous post)

Hebrews 9:8-11
  • "The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:
  • Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;
  • Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.
  • But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;"
Christ came as a more perfect Tabernacle or temple, fulfilling what the physical was merely a "figure" of! Thus, just as Acts (15:16-17; Amos 9:11) clearly illustrated, the sword, the returning to build again the tabernacle that was fallen down, David seated on the throne, all spake of the New Testament temple/Tabernacle of Christ being established, and the old passing away.

Israel's Temple, Tabernacle, Light, Kingdom, was taken from them and was reestablished in the New Testament Israel of God. ..at the cross. It is the "nation" Christ says is bringing forth the fruits thereof (1st Peter 2:9). And note it certainly is not a physical or political "nation," it is a "Spiritual Nation," a holy place established by Christ. A "New Testament" Holy place that would have abomination stand in it, from which His servants would have to flee. This nation is made up of not physical literal stones, but of people or living stones, as I have explaind before. New Testament people who were once not a people, but who are now a people in Christ.

1st Peter 2:9-10
  • "But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an Holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvelous light:
  • Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy."
It's no mystery that Israel, because of her abominations, lost her Holy Nation status at the cross. God declares that the New Testament Church thereafter is the Holy Temple of God, the Holy place, the camp of the saints, the chosen of God, the Holy Nation of God, the Israel of God. Unfortunately, we still have many people cast in the mold of the Judaizers who are still looking at the physically unsaved nation of Israel as "qualified" to be prophesied as people worshiping in God's Holy Temple, or to be called God's Elect. The truth is, it was because of their abominations that their house was left desolate. Just as the Church will mirror this. Christ judged a people spiritually, not a pile of inanimate objects like brick and mortar.

Matthew 23:37-38
  • "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
  • Behold, your house is left unto you desolate."
And indeed it was. At the cross, not AD 70. When Christ says Jerusalem, Jerusalem, He's not talking to a physical city like you thought. He is talking to a PEOPLE. The name Jerusalem is to show they represented the body of peace, the beloved spiritual city.

And yes, the New Testament Congregation will/is mirroring Israel's abominations, apostasy and lawlessness, and suffer the same fate! For as God said, the Gentiles have no space to boast against Israel "as if" they are any better. By grace we stand, and we are branches of the Olive tree that can be broken off just as the Jews were. ...and for the very same reasons. Pride and vanity!

As I've said before, I believe that the times of the first and second advent of Christ "mirror" each other, and that is by divine design. Israel is our example to learn from, but man is not interested in learning. It is sad but true that:

"We learn from Biblical history, that we do not learn from Biblical history."

The tribulation that Christ spoke of in Olivet Discourse was said to be unique, one of a kind, not to be seen again. It is not language that has been used all along, or something that had happened before, or that would happen again. That idea is ridiculous! This tribulation will be like no other tribulation before or after it, and can only be an end-time event, as God will shorten the days because if He didn't, no flesh would be saved.