The Gospel of Reconciliation

[Ritajanice]

However the Truth is Christs death alone delivered the elect from eternal damnation

The truth is.

Death alone of Jesus did not reconcile the elect from eternal damnation back to God.

They need to be Born Of The Spirit as well......then we are reconciled back to God...our spirit needs to be Born Again, you keep missing that part out @brightfame52

 

[Ritajanice]

You did say it, dont lie here is your quote,

I said we need both.

Death and resurrection of Jesus.alone does not reconcile us back to God, we need both...the first prophecy has been accomplished by the will of God.

The death and resurrection of Jesus, according to the will of God.



Then we need to be reconciled back to God via His Spirit..Born Of The Spirit?..then we are free from eternal damnation...and again according to the will of God...

Do you deny this?

 

[brightfame52]

I said we need both.

Death and resurrection of Jesus.

Then we need to be reconciled back to God via His Spirit..Born Of The Spirit?..then we are free from eternal damnation...

Do you deny this?

If you say man needs both to be delivered from eternal damnation, I say you are in error and advocate works salvation. I gave you what I believe !

 

[Ritajanice]

If you say man needs both to be delivered from eternal damnation, I say you are in error and advocate works salvation. I gave you what I believe !

And if you believe you only need the death and resurrection of Jesus to be reconciled back to God.

Then you have been deceived....we must be Born Again not by the will of man....by the WILL OF GOD?

How you came up with works based after reading my posts...is beyond my understanding.

Gods “ WILL” that we are Born Again..how is that work based?

Your spirit needs to be Born Again..get it? Spirit gives birth to spirit?

 

[brightfame52]

And if you believe you only need the death and resurrection of Jesus to be reconciled back to God.

Then you have been deceived....we must be Born Again not by the will of man....by the WILL OF GOD?

How you came up with works based after reading my posts...is beyond my understanding.

Gods “ WILL” that we are Born Again..how is that work based?

Your spirit needs to be Born Again..get it? Spirit gives birth to spirit?

See you at the judgment.

 

[Ritajanice]

See you at the judgment.

Indeed.

 

[Spyder]

I guess if we do not let the Scriptures explain itself, we end up with a thread full of accusations and insults. I would think that it is a cause for disappointment to Yahweh to see some of these conversations. Hopefully, this small explanation helps someone with getting the "big picture" of our salvation - the beginning, anyway.

Yahweh used the principle of covenants to establish promised between Himself and His people. The ceremony that occurs to prove it's enactment frequently required a penalty for failure. Usually, that penalty included death and blood. When God promised Abram the lands for Israel, He made a covenant that required blood:

Ge 15:7–21 And he said to him, “I am the LORD who brought you out from Ur of the Chaldeans to give you this land to possess.” But he said, “O Lord GOD, how am I to know that I shall possess it?” He said to him, “Bring me a heifer three years old, a female goat three years old, a ram three years old, a turtledove, and a young pigeon.” And he brought him all these, cut them in half, and laid each half over against the other. But he did not cut the birds in half. And when birds of prey came down on the carcasses, Abram drove them away. As the sun was going down, a deep sleep fell on Abram. And behold, dreadful and great darkness fell upon him. Then the LORD said to Abram, “Know for certain that your offspring will be sojourners in a land that is not theirs and will be servants there, and they will be afflicted for four hundred years. But I will bring judgment on the nation that they serve, and afterward they shall come out with great possessions. As for you, you shall go to your fathers in peace; you shall be buried in a good old age. And they shall come back here in the fourth generation, for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet complete.” When the sun had gone down and it was dark, behold, a smoking fire pot and a flaming torch passed between these pieces. On that day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, “To your offspring I give this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the river Euphrates.......”

The sign of the covenant between Yahweh and Abram's people was circumcision.

Ge 17:9–11 And God said to Abraham, “As for you, you shall keep my covenant, you and your offspring after you throughout their generations. This is my covenant, which you shall keep, between me and you and your offspring after you: Every male among you shall be circumcised. You shall be circumcised in the flesh of your foreskins, and it shall be a sign of the covenant between me and you.

If we go back to Mount Sanai and Moses' trip to the mountain top, we know that Yahweh offered the Old Covenant to the Hebrew people. The deal was, if the people agreed to be bound to and obey those commandments, they would be His people. Thousands did.

Ex 24:3–8 Moses came and told the people all the words of the LORD and all the rules. And all the people answered with one voice and said, “All the words that the LORD has spoken we will do.” And Moses wrote down all the words of the LORD. He rose early in the morning and built an altar at the foot of the mountain, and twelve pillars, according to the twelve tribes of Israel. And he sent young men of the people of Israel, who offered burnt offerings and sacrificed peace offerings of oxen to the LORD. And Moses took half of the blood and put it in basins, and half of the blood he threw against the altar. Then he took the Book of the Covenant and read it in the hearing of the people. And they said, “All that the LORD has spoken we will do, and we will be obedient.” And Moses took the blood and threw it on the people and said, “Behold the blood of the covenant that the LORD has made with you in accordance with all these words.”

But then Yahweh had Moses go up the mountain to receive the stone tablets with the commandments. While up there, these Hebrew people convinced Aaron to create an idol - a golden calf. God was very displeased:

Ex 32:27–35 And he said to them, “Thus says the LORD God of Israel, ‘Put your sword on your side each of you, and go to and fro from gate to gate throughout the camp, and each of you kill his brother and his companion and his neighbor.’ ” And the sons of Levi did according to the word of Moses. And that day about three thousand men of the people fell. And Moses said, “Today you have been ordained for the service of the LORD, each one at the cost of his son and of his brother, so that he might bestow a blessing upon you this day.” The next day Moses said to the people, “You have sinned a great sin. And now I will go up to the LORD; perhaps I can make atonement for your sin.” So Moses returned to the LORD and said, “Alas, this people has sinned a great sin. They have made for themselves gods of gold. But now, if you will forgive their sin—but if not, please blot me out of your book that you have written.” But the LORD said to Moses, “Whoever has sinned against me, I will blot out of my book. But now go, lead the people to the place about which I have spoken to you; behold, my angel shall go before you. Nevertheless, in the day when I visit, I will visit their sin upon them.” Then the LORD sent a plague on the people, because they made the calf, the one that Aaron made.

The Hebrew people failed Yahweh and did not live up to His commandments and God would have to reconcile them to Him each time. He gave them the sacrificial acts in order to cover their sins. As it turned out, the people would not learn to live without sins. Kind of like we are today, when things get good in our world, we tend to forget Yahweh.

Remembering back to the book of Genesis, we see that Yahweh had prophesied that a man born of woman would arise to defeat the Serpent. This man was mentioned several times in the Old Testament and the prophecy continued. Along with the other prophets, a prophet named Isaiah told us quite a bit about about Him. We are told that we will have a New Covenant and, different from the Hebrews under the old one, those who submitted to the New Covenant will have God's spirit and will have God's words written on their hearts. (clean conscience - see 1 Peter 3:21)

This man foretold in Isaiah was born to a virgin names Mary. Yahweh was His Father. Yeshua (who we call Jesus) came with a purpose. He was to introduce the Kingdom of God. It is the New Covenant. Again, as it was with the Old Covenant, we have to accept our part in it to become children of Yahweh. (Buried with Christ and risen as a new creature) Instead of stone tablets, we have every word that came from the mouth of the Messiah. Those words originated with His Father - the only true God.

As the book of Hebrews points out, a covenant is not in effect without the shedding of blood.

Heb 9:22. Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins.

The Hebrew people had to suffer the penalty for violating the Sinai (Moses) Covenant. Jesus was the spotless lamb that died to pay that penalty and enact the New Covenant.

Mt 26:26–29 Now as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and after blessing it broke it and gave it to the disciples, and said, “Take, eat; this is my body.” And he took a cup, and when he had given thanks he gave it to them, saying, “Drink of it, all of you, for this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. I tell you I will not drink again of this fruit of the vine until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father’s kingdom.”

As for work, that much hated four-letter word, there is "a work" that we are expected to do.

John 6:27–40 Do not work for the food that perishes, but for the food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give to you. For on him God the Father has set his seal.” Then they said to him, “What must we do, to be doing the works of God?” Jesus answered them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he has sent.” So they said to him, “Then what sign do you do, that we may see and believe you? What work do you perform? Our fathers ate the manna in the wilderness; as it is written, ‘He gave them bread from heaven to eat.’ ” Jesus then said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, it was not Moses who gave you the bread from heaven, but my Father gives you the true bread from heaven. For the bread of God is he who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.” They said to him, “Sir, give us this bread always.” Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me shall not hunger, and whoever believes in me shall never thirst. But I said to you that you have seen me and yet do not believe. All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me. And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day. For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”

 

[Robert Pate]

The truth is.

Death alone of Jesus did not reconcile the elect from eternal damnation back to God.

They need to be Born Of The Spirit as well......then we are reconciled back to God...our spirit needs to be Born Again, you keep missing that part out @brightfame52

Your Calvinist doctrine does not make sense. If you have been elected to be saved from the foundation of the world, then you don't need anything. You don't need Christ. You have eliminated the judgment. No worry about your sins. Why don't you just go out and live like the devil? According to your doctrine you have already been chosen.

 

[Ritajanice]

Your Calvinist doctrine does not make sense. If you have been elected to be saved from the foundation of the world, then you don't need anything. You don't need Christ. You have eliminated the judgment. No worry about your sins. Why don't you just go out and live like the devil? According to your doctrine you have already been chosen.

First and foremost to you!

One of the wonderful truths of Scripture is found in Romans 8:1: “Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.” .?

Instead of keep posting your opinion.

Post scripture to back up your opinion? Instead to this nonsensical nonsense.

Do you actually know what Born Of The Spirit means?

All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out.” ( 6:37) ”

"No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. (John 6:44)

"… no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father." ( 6:65)

 

[Ritajanice]

Before we were ever born Jesus had ALREADY reconciled us and the world unto God. This is the good news of the Gospel. God now stands before us with open arms saying... "Though your sins be as scarlet, they can be as white as snow" Isaiah 1:18. God offers reconciliation to everyone that wants it. If you don't want to be reconciled unto God, you don't have to. God is not going to threaten you. It's your choice.

So, why do we need to be Born Again?

Your spirit needs to be Born Again ?

And NO , God doesn’t say, we choose to be Born Again?

Show me scripture where God said you chose to be Born Again?

Are you Born Again?
All imo of your post is manmade religion...yet, you accuse me of being a Calvinist....what a joke LOL

All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out.” ( 6:37) ”

"No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. (John 6:44)

"… no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father." ( 6:65)

 

[Nancy]

Hi Robert, how are you feeling? Do you have hospice set up in your home? I'm still praying for you brother!

 

[Robert Pate]

First and foremost to you!

One of the wonderful truths of Scripture is found in Romans 8:1: “Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.” .?

Instead of keep posting your opinion.

Post scripture to back up your opinion? Instead to this nonsensical nonsense.

Do you actually know what Born Of The Spirit means?

All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out.” ( 6:37) ”

"No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. (John 6:44)

"… no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father." ( 6:65)

Hi Robert, how are you feeling? Do you have hospice set up in your home? I'm still praying for you brother!

Thank you for you interest. Nothing has changed. It apparently takes time to die.

 

[Robert Pate]

First and foremost to you!

One of the wonderful truths of Scripture is found in Romans 8:1: “Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.” .?

Instead of keep posting your opinion.

Post scripture to back up your opinion? Instead to this nonsensical nonsense.

Do you actually know what Born Of The Spirit means?

All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out.” ( 6:37) ”

"No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. (John 6:44)

"… no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father." ( 6:65)

You can't answer the question. If you have already been predestinated by God before the foundation of the world to be saved, then why do you need Jesus Christ?

 

[Ritajanice]

You can't answer the question. If you have already been predestinated by God before the foundation of the world to be saved, then why do you need Jesus Christ?

I did answer your question, I’m sorry it was you who couldn’t answer mine, therefore once again, “ your opinion “...

 

[Robert Pate]

I did answer your question, I’m sorry it was you who couldn’t answer mine, therefore once again, “ your opinion “...

The scripture plainly says, "And all things are of God, who has reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ" 2 Corinthians 5:18

"God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself unto himself" 2 Corinthians 5:19.

God has ALREADY reconciled us and the whole world unto himself by Jesus Christ. But nothing is ours until it is received by faith. You don't want to believe the scripture, instead you want to believe the demon John Calvin.

 

[Ritajanice]

The scripture plainly says, "And all things are of God, who has reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ" 2 Corinthians 5:18

"God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself unto himself" 2 Corinthians 5:19.

God has ALREADY reconciled us and the whole world unto himself by Jesus Christ. But nothing is ours until it is received by faith. You don't want to believe the scripture, instead you want to believe the demon John Calvin.

You cannot support your claim and deny that we must be Born Of The Spirit, therefore rebuke your man made claim, that the Born Again choose to become Born Again...

And you are an accuser..I will leave you to God.

◄ Romans 8:9 ►

Verse (Click for Chapter) King James Bible But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. New King James Version But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. American Standard Version But ye are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you. But if any man hath not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. Berean Study Bible You, however, are controlled not by the flesh, but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ.

 

[Robert Pate]

You cannot support your claim and deny that we must be Born Of The Spirit, therefore rebuke your man made claim, that the Born Again choose to become Born Again...

And you are an accuser..I will leave you to God.

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◄ Romans 8:9 ►

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Verse (Click for Chapter) King James Bible But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. New King James Version But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. American Standard Version But ye are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you. But if any man hath not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. Berean Study Bible You, however, are controlled not by the flesh, but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ.

You cannot support your claim and deny that we must be Born Of The Spirit, therefore rebuke your man made claim, that the Born Again choose to become Born Again...

And you are an accuser..I will leave you to God.

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◄ Romans 8:9 ►

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Verse (Click for Chapter) King James Bible But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. New King James Version But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. American Standard Version But ye are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you. But if any man hath not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. Berean Study Bible You, however, are controlled not by the flesh, but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ.

You are as blind as a bat. There is only one way to be born again by the Holy Spirit and your demon God had nothing to do with it.

Listen to Paul, "Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law" (Because you did something or became something) or by the hearing of faith" Galatians 3:2. You must hear and believe or you will never see heaven.

The hearing of faith means to hear and believe the Gospel, Romans 10:17. 8,000 heard the Gospel on the day of Pentecost and were born again, Acts 2:41 also Acts 4:4.

 

[Ritajanice]

You are as blind as a bat. There is only one way to be born again by the Holy Spirit and your demon God had nothing to do with it.

Listen to Paul, "Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law" (Because you did something or became something) or by the hearing of faith" Galatians 3:2. You must hear and believe or you will never see heaven.

The hearing of faith means to hear and believe the Gospel, Romans 10:17. 8,000 heard the Gospel on the day of Pentecost and were born again, Acts 2:41 also Acts 4:4.

No, you must be Born Again to see the Kingdom of God....you play no part in that, as a Born Again is already predestined/ chosen by God to be Born Again.

Nonsense. I ask again show me where “ you” chose to become Born Of The Spirit?

Faith is a gift from God, a manifestation of the Spirit...mans faith is no faith at all.
Plus you have not given any scripture to support your claim...you just voice your opinion on what that scripture is saying.

And tell me, how can you hear and believe the gospel, without the Spirit?

◄ Romans 8:9 ►

Verse (Click for Chapter) King James Bible But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. New King James Version But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. American Standard Version But ye are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you. But if any man hath not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. Berean Study Bible You, however, are controlled not by the flesh, but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ.

◄ James 2:19 ►

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Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder. New Living Translation You say you have faith, for you believe that there is one God. Good for you! Even the demons believe this, and they tremble in terror. English Standard Version You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe—and shudder! Berean Standard Bible You believe that God is one. Good for you! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.

 

[JBO]

You are as blind as a bat.

Or more likely, a hardness of heart.

 

[Ritajanice]

Or more like one is still in the carnal mind and not the Spirit.

◄ 1 Corinthians 2:14 ►

Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit. New Living Translation But people who aren’t spiritual can’t receive these truths from God’s Spirit. It all sounds foolish to them and they can’t understand it, for only those who are spiritual can understand what the Spirit means. English Standard Version The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned. Berean Standard Bible The natural man does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God. For they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned