The Gospel of Reconciliation

[Ritajanice]

Christs death first and foremost reconciled Gods elect to God , do you deny that ? Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

We need both...do you deny that?

We must be Born of the Spirit?....which means what?

And this scripture?

◄ 2 Peter 1:3 ►

Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version His divine power has given us everything we need for a godly life through our knowledge of him who called us by his own glory and goodness. New Living Translation By his divine power, God has given us everything we need for living a godly life. We have received all of this by coming to know him, the one who called us to himself by means of his marvelous glory and excellence. English Standard Version His divine power has granted to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of him who called us to his own glory and excellence, Berean Standard Bible His divine power has given us everything we need for life and godliness through the knowledge of Him who called us by His own glory and excellence.

 

[Robert Pate]

I have never seen such hogwash.

If you have been elected to salvation before the foundation of the world, then God is through with you. You don't need to be saved because you are already saved, right. If you have been elected to salvation before the foundation of the world, you never did need Jesus to atone for your sins, because you are already saved, as a matter of fact, you don't need Jesus Christ for anything. God has already saved you before the foundation of the world. It has already been predetermined.

The whole idea behind Calvinism is to be saved without Christ. The doctrine is anti-gospel and anti-Christ.

 

[Ritajanice]

I have never seen such hogwash.

If you have been elected to salvation before the foundation of the world, then God is through with you. You don't need to be saved because you are already saved, right. If you have been elected to salvation before the foundation of the world, you never did need Jesus to atone for your sins, because you are already saved, as a matter of fact, you don't need Jesus Christ for anything. God has already saved you before the foundation of the world. It has already been predetermined.

The whole idea behind Calvinism is to be saved without Christ. The doctrine is anti-gospel and anti-Christ.

Romans 8:6-11 KJV​

For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

KJV: King James Version

 

[Robert Pate]

Romans 8:6-11 KJV​

For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

KJV: King James Version

 

[Robert Pate]

I have never seen such hogwash.

If you have been elected to salvation before the foundation of the world, then God is through with you. You don't need to be saved because you are already saved, right. If you have been elected to salvation before the foundation of the world, you never did need Jesus to atone for your sins, because you are already saved, as a matter of fact, you don't need Jesus Christ for anything. God has already saved you before the foundation of the world. It has already been predetermined.

The whole idea behind Calvinism is to be saved without Christ. The doctrine is anti-gospel and anti-Christ.

We are not saved by being born again. That is something that we experience. Salvation is totally and completely outside of us. "While we were yet sinners Christ died for us". We are saved by the doing and the dying of Jesus. Jesus as our representative and substitute has victoriously defeated sin, death and the devil. We are complete in him, Colossians 2:10. Christ victory is our victory. Because of the doing and the dying of Jesus God has made Jesus both Lord and King, Revelation 19:16.

 

[brightfame52]

We need both...do you deny that?

We must be Born of the Spirit?....which means what?

And this scripture?

◄ 2 Peter 1:3 ►

Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version His divine power has given us everything we need for a godly life through our knowledge of him who called us by his own glory and goodness. New Living Translation By his divine power, God has given us everything we need for living a godly life. We have received all of this by coming to know him, the one who called us to himself by means of his marvelous glory and excellence. English Standard Version His divine power has granted to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of him who called us to his own glory and excellence, Berean Standard Bible His divine power has given us everything we need for life and godliness through the knowledge of Him who called us by His own glory and excellence.

Christs death first and foremost reconciled Gods elect to God , do you deny that ? Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

 

[brightfame52]

We are not saved by being born again. That is something that we experience. Salvation is totally and completely outside of us. "While we were yet sinners Christ died for us". We are saved by the doing and the dying of Jesus. Jesus as our representative and substitute has victoriously defeated sin, death and the devil. We are complete in him, Colossians 2:10. Christ victory is our victory. Because of the doing and the dying of Jesus God has made Jesus both Lord and King, Revelation 19:16.

You teach that people who Christ died for shall be lost in their sins if they dont accept Him !

 

[Ritajanice]

We are not saved by being born again. That is something that we experience. Salvation is totally and completely outside of us. "While we were yet sinners Christ died for us". We are saved by the doing and the dying of Jesus. Jesus as our representative and substitute has victoriously defeated sin, death and the devil. We are complete in him, Colossians 2:10. Christ victory is our victory. Because of the doing and the dying of Jesus God has made Jesus both Lord and King, Revelation 19:16.

Oh dear..we are Born Again then we are saved from eternal damnation..we know that, because our spirit is Born Again, you need both.

Death and resurrection of Jesus.

Becoming Born Of The Spirit.

 

[Ritajanice]

Christs death first and foremost reconciled Gods elect to God , do you deny that ? Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Once again, you do not fully understand scripture...therefore evade all questions that others ask.

 

[brightfame52]

Saved by Grace by Reconciliation ! 2

Now that is what it means to be saved by Grace, as by the Gift of God. Its to be in a state of Favor and Blessing and Grace and Peace with God EVEN while we are at the same time being sinners, ungodly and disobedient and unbelievers, that is how God's Grace is Magnified the More, when its Saving Merit is applied when we have done nothing to deserve it, and while we are doing everything in our power to forfeit it.

Listen the fact is, its not never Salvation by Grace, or Justification by Grace unless we are by the Death of Christ alone, Saved, and or Justified before God, while we are yet still being disobedient, and ungodly, and unbelievers, then and only then can it be truthfully be said that we believed on Him that Justifieth the Ungodly Rom 4:5

5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

This means we were Justified/ reconciled to God, while being Ungodly. Now if we were anything but ungodly, disobedient sinners when Christ's Death as a Free Gift Gift, Justified us before God or Reconciled us to God, then we immediately forfeit any claims of being Saved and or Justified by Grace, we can only be Judged as one who makes a profession of Salvation or Justification by Grace, but in actuality you believe in Justification by your works ! 9

 

[Ritajanice]

Saved by Grace by Reconciliation ! 2

Now that is what it means to be saved by Grace, as by the Gift of God. Its to be in a state of Favor and Blessing and Grace and Peace with God EVEN while we are at the same time being sinners, ungodly and disobedient and unbelievers, that is how God's Grace is Magnified the More, when its Saving Merit is applied when we have done nothing to deserve it, and while we are doing everything in our power to forfeit it.

Listen the fact is, its not never Salvation by Grace, or Justification by Grace unless we are by the Death of Christ alone, Saved, and or Justified before God, while we are yet still being disobedient, and ungodly, and unbelievers, then and only then can it be truthfully be said that we believed on Him that Justifieth the Ungodly Rom 4:5

5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

This means we were Justified/ reconciled to God, while being Ungodly. Now if we were anything but ungodly, disobedient sinners when Christ's Death as a Free Gift Gift, Justified us before God or Reconciled us to God, then we immediately forfeit any claims of being Saved and or Justified by Grace, we can only be Judged as one who makes a profession of Salvation or Justification by Grace, but in actuality you believe in Justification by your works ! 9

We need to be Born Of The Spirit also to be reconciled back to God.

We need both...that is where you lack spiritual understanding.imo.

Our spirit needs to be Born Again..do you understand that?

 

[brightfame52]

Oh dear..we are Born Again then we are saved from eternal damnation..we know that, because our spirit is Born Again, you need both.

Death and resurrection of Jesus.

Becoming Born Of The Spirit.

So you deny that those who Christ died for are by His death alone, saved from eternal damnation, but they also need to be born again before they are saved from eternal damnation .

 

[Ritajanice]

So you deny that those who Christ died for are by His death alone, saved from eternal damnation, but they also need to be born again before they are saved from eternal damnation .

I’ve already posted what I believe.

You have now added the part where we need to be Born Of The Spirit?

 

[brightfame52]

We need to be Born Of The Spirit also to be reconciled back to God.

We need both...that is where you lack spiritual understanding.imo.

Our spirit needs to be Born Again..do you understand that?

You are in error, the elect were reconciled to God by Christs death while they were unregenerate enemies Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Your faith isnt in the death of Christ for reconciliation back to God, but in the subsequent work of the Spirit, thats works !

 

[brightfame52]

I’ve already posted what I believe.

You have now added the part where we need to be Born Of The Spirit?

Right, you believe in works, its disguised, but you deny reconciliation to God by Christs death alone, apart from anything else.

 

[Ritajanice]

Right, you believe in works, its disguised, but you deny reconciliation to God by Christs death alone, apart from anything else.

What are you talking about?

How can one work to become be Born of The Spirit?

 

[Ritajanice]

You are in error, the elect were reconciled to God by Christs death while they were unregenerate enemies Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Your faith isnt in the death of Christ for reconciliation back to God, but in the subsequent work of the Spirit, thats works !

You have taken everything out of context.

We need both.

The death and resurrection of Jesus.

Becoming Born Again by Gods Spirit ..that is not of works that is an act of God.

 

[brightfame52]

You have taken everything out of context.

We need both.

The death and resurrection of Jesus.

Becoming Born Again by Gods Spirit ..that is not of works that is an act of God.

I know that, however you said no one is delivered , or saved from eternal damnation until after they are born again, that's false, and it discredits what Christs death alone accomplished. You are adding the work of the Spirit to be delivered from eternal damnation. Thats works, for the Spirit is given for conversion which the saved individual is active in that.

However the Truth is Christs death alone delivered the elect from eternal damnation, then afterwards as the fruit and evidence of the success of Christs death putting away the legal aspect of sins penalty, then we receive the Gift of the Spirit in the New Birth for our Spiritual conversion, which has nothing to do with being deliver from damnation, so if you believe one isn't saved from eternal damnation by Christs death alone, then you are a work monger like the rest of religious folk.

 

[Ritajanice]

I know that, however you said no one is delivered , or saved from eternal damnation until after they are born again

I said no such thing, I said we need both.

Death and resurrection of Jesus.

Then Born Of The Spirit....

You are reconciled back to God....when both have occurred....no death, no reconciled, no Born of The Spirit, no reconciliation back to God.

You need both.

 

[brightfame52]

I said no such thing, I said we need both.

Death and resurrection of Jesus.

Then Born Of The Spirit....

You did say it, dont lie here is your quote,

Oh dear..we are Born Again then we are saved from eternal damnation..