The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

[ChristisGod]

So you know how to quote scripture. Thats about it

Which in every case refutes tulip. :)

 

[amigo de christo]

The Jailer tells Paul "what must I do to be saved?"
Paul..."absolutely nothing, you are either chosen or not"

exactly . BELEIVE , BELIEVE YE ON JESUS CHRIST and ye may be saved .
Give ol calvin a mule kick and let all simply return to the orginal message .
HOW to be saved . BELIEVE YE IN HE WHOM GOD DID SEND . JESUS CHRIST . that should be THE MESSAGE right there .

 

[ChristisGod]

Every post today exposes there heresies taught by calvin with his doctrines of grace. :) They are unbiblical and unloving. Jesus demonstrated by His life, words, actions and deeds tulip was wrong.

 

[amigo de christo]

Jesus taught a provisional atonement not a limited atonement.

John 3:14-18
Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, 15 that everyone who believes may have eternal life in him.”16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.

Above we see those who looked upon the brass serpent in the wilderness were healed/ saved. Moses provided a way for those bit by the poisonous snakes to be healed and not die by looking upon the brass serpent. Jesus compares Himself in the same way to be saved by His provision for their sins through His atonement to be received by faith. In both cases faith saved them in the OT wilderness as is the case with Jesus in the NT.

hope this helps !!!

That who so ever ................what is that word ..................BELIEVES .
But he who believes NOT shall be what ............................what does that next word say CONDEMNED .
Yeah we should keep it real simple . JESUS CHRIST the GLORIOUS KING must be taught
that all who do hear and beleive will be saved . THAT must be the message . Now raise those hands and let all that
requires oxygen PRAISE THE GLORIOUS LORD .

 

[brightfame52]

Which in every case refutes tulip. :)

The atonement, what did it really accomplish ?

 

[ChristisGod]

That who so ever ................what is that word ..................BELIEVES .
But he who believes NOT shall be what ............................what does that next word say CONDEMNED .
Yeah we should keep it real simple . JESUS CHRIST the GLORIOUS KING must be taught
that all who do hear and beleive will be saved . THAT must be the message . Now raise those hands and let all that
requires oxygen PRAISE THE GLORIOUS LORD .

Amen as Jesus taught in John 3:14-18.

 

[ChristisGod]

The atonement, what did it really accomplish ?

It provided forgiveness of sins for those who believe as Jesus taught in John 3:14-16 with the brass serpent. :)- cf 1 John 2:2

 

[rebuilder 454]

The atonement, what did it really accomplish ?

According to the bible, salvation from eternity outside of God, and physical healing.
Illustrated vividly in the bronze serpent of Moses

 

[ChristisGod]

According to the bible, salvation from eternity outside of God, and physical healing.
Illustrated vividly in the bronze serpent of Moses

Amen

 

[brightfame52]

It provided forgiveness of sins for those who believe as Jesus taught in John 3:14-16 with the brass serpent. :)- cf 1 John 2:2

Thats why they believe, because He accomplished atonement for them, all others who dont believe, He didnt die for

 

[brightfame52]

According to the bible, salvation from eternity outside of God, and physical healing.
Illustrated vividly in the bronze serpent of Moses

I dont know what in the world you talking about. Read this thread I explain what He accomplished and for whom.

 

[brightfame52]

That who so ever ................what is that word ..................BELIEVES .
But he who believes NOT shall be what ............................what does that next word say CONDEMNED .
Yeah we should keep it real simple . JESUS CHRIST the GLORIOUS KING must be taught
that all who do hear and beleive will be saved . THAT must be the message . Now raise those hands and let all that
requires oxygen PRAISE THE GLORIOUS LORD .

So Christ died only for them that believe, that's an accomplishment of His death for them.

 

[ChristisGod]

Thats why they believe, because He accomplished atonement for them, all others who dont believe, He didnt die for

Wrong as I’ve given dozens of scriptures proving your assertion wrong above. I’ll go with the scriptures 24/7 over the man made teachings of Calvin.

 

[amigo de christo]

So Christ died only for them that believe, that's an accomplishment of His death for them.

HE payed the price of the sins of the WHOLE WORLD . only if one believeth not , THEN THEY DO PERISH .
If i had all the money in the world and said I HAVE ALL the MONEY to buy your food .
WELL those who dont come wont have their food bought for them . YOU SEE while i did have all the money
to pay for all their food , HEY IF THEY DONT COME THEY WONT EAT . LEARN THAT AND LEARN IT WELL .
JESUS DID PAY THE PRICE OF ALL SINS OF THE WORLD , but if one wont COME , HELLFIRES AWAITS . GOTTA BELIEVE
TO RECIEVE . i would think this so simple even a ten year old could figure it out .
IF I STOOD before the world and said , HEY EVERYONE I HAVE TEN THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR YOU ALL
ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS COME TO ME to GET IT , THE WHOLE WORLD WOULD RUN
YET JESUS PAID THE PRICE OF ALL SINS , ONLY MOST WILL NOT COME TO HIM THAT THEY MIGHT HAVE FORGIVENESS OF SINS .
LEARN IT WELL and FLEE THE DEADLY DANGEROUS DECEPTIVE DUNGEONS of calvin .

 

[brightfame52]

Wrong as I’ve given dozens of scriptures proving your assertion wrong above. I’ll go with the scriptures 24/7 over the man made teachings of Calvin.

Im right, one believes because they were redeemed by the blood of Christ. Only them Christ didnt die for remain in unbelief under condemnation.

 

[brightfame52]

HE payed the price of the sins of the WHOLE WORLD . only if one believeth not , THEN THEY DO PERISH .
If i had all the money in the world and said I HAVE ALL the MONEY to buy your food .
WELL those who dont come wont have their food bought for them . YOU SEE while i did have all the money
to pay for all their food , HEY IF THEY DONT COME THEY WONT EAT . LEARN THAT AND LEARN IT WELL .
JESUS DID PAY THE PRICE OF ALL SINS OF THE WORLD , but if one wont COME , HELLFIRES AWAITS . GOTTA BELIEVE
TO RECIEVE . i would think this so simple even a ten year old could figure it out .
IF I STOOD before the world and said , HEY EVERYONE I HAVE TEN THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR YOU ALL
ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS COME TO ME to GET IT , THE WHOLE WORLD WOULD RUN
YET JESUS PAID THE PRICE OF ALL SINS , ONLY MOST WILL NOT COME TO HIM THAT THEY MIGHT HAVE FORGIVENESS OF SINS .
LEARN IT WELL and FLEE THE DEADLY DANGEROUS DECEPTIVE DUNGEONS of calvin .

He paid the price only for the whole world of believers.

 

[quietthinker]

Its different to you, Im not you

such insight!

 

[brightfame52]

Causes to Live by Faith and why ?

To live by Faith is the same as belief of the Truth 2 Thess 2:13

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

That word belief is actually the noun Faith, the greek word pistis which is translated faith 239 xs in NT !

Now Faith or belief of the Truth [Salvation] is the result and effect of The Sanctification of the Spirit, which is the result or effect of the Death and or Offering of Christ Heb 10:10

10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

The writer states as a fact, that them who are now believers, had been sanctified by the offering of the body of Christ, which simply means His death also see Heb 2:9 ! This must mean all for whom He tasted death for Heb 2:9

9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

By that death, or offering of His Body for them, they have been sanctified by it. Now the word sanctified in Heb 10:10 is the greek word hagiazō and means:

I.
to render or acknowledge, or to be venerable or hallow

II.
to separate from profane things and dedicate to God
A.
consecrate things to God

B.
dedicate people to God


III.
to purify
A.
to cleanse externally

B.
to purify by expiation: free from the guilt of sin

C.
to purify internally by renewing of the soul +++++

This above definition is often neglected, overlooked and even denied, and that is, all for whom Christ died, it effects in them, a purification internally, a renewing of the soul, that which Paul refers to here Titus 3:5

5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

This and 2 Thess 2:13 The Sanctification of the Spirit are the exact same thing !

This again is the direct result of the Offering of the Body of Christ Heb 10:10 which is another way of saying His Death or His Blood !

This purification internally results in the belief of the Truth or Faith ! That word sanctified in Heb 10:10 is also in the perfect tense which tense means:

The perfect tense in Greek corresponds to the perfect tense in English, and describes an action which is viewed as having been completed in the past, once and for all, not needing to be repeated.

Jesus' last cry from the cross, TETELESTAI ("It is finished!") is a good example of the perfect tense used in this sense, namely "It [the atonement] has been accomplished, completely, once and for all time."

The basic thought of the perfect tense is that the progress of an action has been completed and the results of the action are continuing on, in full effect. In other words, the progress of the action has reached its culmination and the finished results are now in existence. Unlike the English perfect, which indicates a completed past action, the Greek perfect tense indicates the continuation and present state of a completed past action.

Greek Verbs (Shorter Definitions)

So the Truth is this, all for whom Christ died are by it Sanctified and will as a result of it be experiencing spiritual blessings that evidence it, simply based upon the Death of Christ and its meritorious virtue !

Now all this means without a shadow of doubt if we understand God's Truth, that Sanctification of the Spirit resulting in belief of the Truth 2 Thess 2:13 is the Blessed Effects of Christ's Offering or Death Heb 10:10, in fact if 2 Thess 2:13 does not happen for every one Christ died for, then Heb 10:10 is not true !25

 

[ChristisGod]

Im right, one believes because they were redeemed by the blood of Christ. Only them Christ didnt die for remain in unbelief under condemnation.

no one can believe without exercising it on their own. thats why its called unbelief because they did not exercise faith/trust. once again you are putting the cart before the horse.

 

[rebuilder 454]

By His Stripes ye were healed !

1 Pet 2:24

24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

This is one of the most damaging verses to the false claims of the antichrist teachers, that state that Christ's Death alone or here called His Stripes, does not save those He died for ! One of the meanings of the word healed here is to bring about ones Salvation, to effect it. Its the greek word iaomai:


I heal, generally of the physical, sometimes of spiritual, disease.

iáomai (a primitive verb, NAS dictionary) – healing, particularly as supernatural and bringing attention to the Lord Himself as the Great Physician (cf. Is 53:4,5).

The word is used in Lk 17:15

15 And one of them, when he saw that he was healed, turned back, and with a loud voice glorified God,

/iáomai ("to heal") draws the attention to the Lord, the supernatural Healer, i.e. beyond the physical healing itself and its benefits

The Death of Christ alone emits or sends forth a Supernatural healing unto those He died for !

It means :

to make whole i. e. to free from errors and sins, to bring about (one's) salvation: Matthew 13:15; John 12:40; Acts 28:27 (from Isaiah 6:10)

In other words, His Stripes causes, effects, brings about the Spiritual conversion of all for whom He died, that's Salvation !

Now Peter by Inspiration of God credits solely the Death of Christ, or His Stripes for the Salvation of the Believers He wrote to !

Again this Truth is damaging to the false witness of those who say, the death of Christ does not save anyone ! It makes them a Liar !21

1 Pet 2:24

24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

This is one of the most damaging verses to the false claims of the antichrist teachers, that state that Christ's Death alone or here called His Stripes, does not save those He died for ! One of the meanings of the word healed here is to bring about ones Salvation, to effect it. Its the greek word iaomai:


I heal, generally of the physical, sometimes of spiritual, disease.

iáomai (a primitive verb, NAS dictionary) – healing, particularly as supernatural and bringing attention to the Lord Himself as the Great Physician (cf. Is 53:4,5).

yep
physical healing as part of the new covenant