Not my ways, Jesus's Ways "forever and ever" ! Do you also reject Jesus God?
The Hell Doctrine - No doctrinal unity
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Ronald David Bruno
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It's not just a "concept". Jesus said it's FACT! Have you never read the NT?
Ronald David Bruno
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Jude 1
23 but others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire,
Everyone will learn to fear God, now or in Hell.
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Since you avoid context, Let us paraphrase Luke 16 :)
Jesus was telling the disciples a parable Luke 16:1And he said also unto his disciples,
The Parable of the Unrighteous Steward
Jesus is then interrupted by Pharisees
Luke 16:14 The Pharisees, who were lovers of money, heard all of this and were scoffing at Jesus. 15So He said to them,
A story of a rich man who, if he was a pharisee, a believer of hell :)
Brilliant. Jesus roasts a pharisee in his own hell. :)
teamventure
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The doctrine of hell aside, if you believe that scripture is contradictory, why are you on a christian website?
The context does not prove Jesus lied. Jesus clearly confirmed His doctrine of eternal Hell fire. The penalty for removing this doctrine from the Bible may be quite severe!
Revelation 22
If anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. You're on dangerous ground.
Matthew 5
Whoever says, 'You fool!' shall be in danger of hell fire.
Wrangler
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Contrary to Jesus?
Matthew 25
46 And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into everlasting life.
Same Greek word, everlasting.
Grailhunter
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For those workers of iniquity, know where you are headed. May I recommend the Maull's Barbecue Sauce.
On that day many will say to me, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name? ' And then will I declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness'” (Matthew 7:21-23).
These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.” Matthew 25:46
Καὶ ἀπελεύσονται οὗτοι εἰς κόλασιν αἰώνιον : οἱ δὲ δίκαιοι εἰς ζωὴν αἰώνιον
Same Greek word used for eternal for Hell and Heaven.
13 “Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. 14 For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it. Matthew 7:13-14
2nd Corinthians :5:10: For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
[Matthew 18:9 And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you. It is better for you to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into hell fire.
1st Corinthians 6:9-10 “Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor those habitually drunk, nor verbal abusers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God”
Galatians 5:19-21 Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: sexual immorality, impurity, indecent behavior, idolatry, witchcraft, hostilities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions, envy, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
On that day many will say to me, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name? ' And then will I declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness'” (Matthew 7:21-23).
These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.” Matthew 25:46
Καὶ ἀπελεύσονται οὗτοι εἰς κόλασιν αἰώνιον : οἱ δὲ δίκαιοι εἰς ζωὴν αἰώνιον
Same Greek word used for eternal for Hell and Heaven.
13 “Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. 14 For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it. Matthew 7:13-14
2nd Corinthians :5:10: For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
[Matthew 18:9 And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you. It is better for you to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into hell fire.
1st Corinthians 6:9-10 “Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor those habitually drunk, nor verbal abusers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God”
Galatians 5:19-21 Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: sexual immorality, impurity, indecent behavior, idolatry, witchcraft, hostilities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions, envy, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
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teamventure
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Death is the seperation of the soul and spirit from the body.
The second death is the seperation of the soul from the spirit.
The second death is the seperation of the soul from the spirit.
To inform you that scripture is contradictory. - LOL
Any questions?
Where did you get the idea that scripture is NOT contradictory?
Wrangler
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Jesus is a person, not a Biblical doctrine. And repeating the one verse STILL does not address the 3 views identified in the OP.
Jack, Jesus did not lie. The hell doctrine proof text has been refuted by the Scriptures and a logical explanation of the complete chapter. Jesus confirmed immortality offered by God to His sons. It is the modern day pharisee who dare impugn Father's Love and Character.
If I may say, you always seem to avoid completing the Scriptural thought, You quoted Revelation 22:19 but forgot to mention verse 18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
Jack, hell is a foreign false concept that is not belong in the Scriptures. Trust in your love of your Father not the tongue of the dragon.
I know my words are wanting but rest assured I mindful of the Scriptures.In fact I insisted to speak only with logical deduction to avoid debasing such beautiful literary pearls of the Scripture. :-)
I faithfully paraphrased Luke 16 and showed you your error. Please reason through your sin.
On that note, here's a quote to study:-) Jesus really did not like the pharisee doctrines.
Matthew 23:15
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
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quietthinker
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I've never seen draught horses on a race track and race horses pulling a plough is probably not a possibility.
And I hope you don't see this:
Matthew 13
40 Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age. 41 The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, 42 and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
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