Choice of doctrine is driven by religious preconception - Spirituality is an individualized journey

[St. SteVen]

"If the world hates you, you know that it hated Me before it hated you. 19If you were of the world, the world would love its own. Yet because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you."

Take your pick!

This does NOT address the issue of doctrinal diversity at all.

Are you claiming that anyone that does not agree with YOUR own personal doctrinal opinions is "of the world"?
Basically, your way, or the highway. Cleverly disguised as "God's way" according to you. (not buying it)

 

[David in NJ]

This does NOT address the issue of doctrinal diversity at all.

Are you claiming that anyone that does not agree with YOUR own personal doctrinal opinions is "of the world"?
Basically, your way, or the highway. Cleverly disguised as "God's way" according to you. (not buying it)

On the contrary, the WORD is the direct confrontation to the 'compromise'.

JESUS is claiming:
Jesus answered them and said, “My doctrine is not Mine, but His who sent Me.

JESUS is inviting you and all to discover the Truth:
"If anyone wills to do His will, he shall know concerning the doctrine, whether it is from God or whether I speak on My own authority."

 

[St. SteVen]

On the contrary, the WORD is the direct confrontation to the 'compromise'.

You have been using the word "compromise" in the negative sense this whole time.
As in, "compromise" = sacrificing core essential doctrines. I'm not saying that.

I meant compromise in the positive sense. As in, not voicing your doctrinal opinions in non-essential
issues in order to keep the peace and promote the appearance of surface level unity.

JESUS is claiming:
Jesus answered them and said, “My doctrine is not Mine, but His who sent Me.

What doctrine are we talking about specifically here?

JESUS is inviting you and all to discover the Truth:
"If anyone wills to do His will, he shall know concerning the doctrine, whether it is from God or whether I speak on My own authority."

What doctrine are we talking about specifically here?

 

[Cassandra]

I simply write the word: "Bride" on left or right side of paragraph [line or sentence] in which she begins a speech. When she stops speaking and someone else starts such as Bridegroom (Jesus) I simply write the word: "Jesus". In most cases in the book {Song of Solomon} one or the other of them is effectively speaking. At least once someone else is speaking and I write: "Other" [Song 8:8].

These make it easy to change or to add other notes which may seem to apply. Years ago I stopped annotating my Bibles in ink because I learned that God does lead me in different ways. Pencil is erasable.

Thanks! I use frixion pens for Bible writing. the ink is erasable. :)

 

[St. SteVen]

Thanks! I use frixion pens for Bible writing. the ink is erasable. :)

LOL
That is so funny. Not sure if you meant it that way.

I remember completely destroying a 1985 NIV translation Bible with my underlining and study notes written everywhere in permanent ink.
I taped the cover back together because I had broken the binding.

 

[Cassandra]

I write all over my Bible and sometimes I make an error. Frixion pens allow you to erase. They are the only pen I use.
The coolest thing about them aside from that is that if you apply heat to it(140F),the ink clears, and you have to put it in the freezer to see it.
So ya wouldn't put your notebook on the dashboard in Texas summer.
I love them. Great for foreign language class. I am always messing up words--this keeps my notes neat.

 

[St. SteVen]

I write all over my Bible and sometimes I make an error. Frixion pens allow you to erase. They are the only pen I use.
The coolest thing about them aside from that is that if you apply heat to it(140F),the ink clears, and you have to put it in the freezer to see it.
So ya wouldn't put your notebook on the dashboard in Texas summer.
I love them. Great for foreign language class. I am always messing up words--this keeps my notes neat.

I like the Pilot brand as well.
I used to buy the Pilot Razor Point pens by the box full for work. (design)

I don't write on a Bible any more. I write on the forum. - LOL

 

[marks]

Yes, we should constantly be in prayer (1 Thessalonians 5:17), learning from the Lord.

And we need to be willing to accept when we are plainly wrong, even if it does seem to separate us from others. We shouldn't march in the enemies parades for the sake of inclusion.

Much love!

 

[marks]

On the contrary, the WORD is the direct confrontation to the 'compromise'.

JESUS is claiming:
Jesus answered them and said, “My doctrine is not Mine, but His who sent Me.

JESUS is inviting you and all to discover the Truth:
"If anyone wills to do His will, he shall know concerning the doctrine, whether it is from God or whether I speak on My own authority."

Exactly!!

Much love!

 

[Bob Estey]

And we need to be willing to accept when we are plainly wrong, even if it does seem to separate us from others. We shouldn't march in the enemies parades for the sake of inclusion.

Much love!

Yes, as the Bible teaches, Satan is the ruler of this world.

 

[St. SteVen]

Excerpt from the OP with new emphasis.

As the young person, whether Catholic or Protestant, matures in their religious upbringing,
these compounded preconceptions form a doctrinal understanding. A basis to work from; a point of view.

When this maturing person hears something
outside the realm of their religious preconception
it strikes them as wrong.

Apologetics are there to bolster one's own religious preconceptions. They have theirs, and you have yours.
This is where the battle lines are drawn. "We believe such and so, because..."

It's easy to identify a religious cult. They meet in the church across the street from your church.
And they feel the same way about you. --- Where does this leave us?

Choice of doctrine is driven by religious preconception - Spirituality is an individualized journey

What makes a doctrine false?

What makes a doctrine false? Please quote what you would like to respond to. Thanks. 1. You've never heard it before. (knee-jerk defensive response) 2. You have heard of it before, but assume it's false. (haven't looked into it) 3. Doesn't align with your church's doctrine (your church...

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[David in NJ]

Excerpt from the OP with new emphasis.

As the young person, whether Catholic or Protestant, matures in their religious upbringing,
these compounded preconceptions form a doctrinal understanding. A basis to work from; a point of view.

When this maturing person hears something
outside the realm of their religious preconception
it strikes them as wrong.

Apologetics are there to bolster one's own religious preconceptions. They have theirs, and you have yours.
This is where the battle lines are drawn. "We believe such and so, because..."

It's easy to identify a religious cult. They meet in the church across the street from your church.
And they feel the same way about you. --- Where does this leave us?

Choice of doctrine is driven by religious preconception - Spirituality is an individualized journey

What makes a doctrine false?

What makes a doctrine false? Please quote what you would like to respond to. Thanks. 1. You've never heard it before. (knee-jerk defensive response) 2. You have heard of it before, but assume it's false. (haven't looked into it) 3. Doesn't align with your church's doctrine (your church...

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The FATHER/SON/HOLY SPIRIT drew the battle line.

Who has believed our report?
And to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?
2For He shall grow up before Him as a tender plant,
And as a root out of dry ground.
He has no form or comeliness;
And when we see Him,
There is no beauty that we should desire Him.
3He is despised and rejected by men,
A Man of sorrows and acquainted with grief.
And we hid, as it were, our faces from Him;
He was despised, and we did not esteem Him.

4Surely He has borne our griefs
And carried our sorrows;
Yet we esteemed Him stricken,
Smitten by God, and afflicted.
5But He was wounded for our transgressions,
He was bruised for our iniquities;
The chastisement for our peace was upon Him,
And by His stripes we are healed.
6All we like sheep have gone astray;
We have turned, every one, to his own way;
And the Lord has laid on Him the iniquity of us all.

Do you care to Cross that Line???

 

[St. SteVen]

The FATHER/SON/HOLY SPIRIT drew the battle line.

...

Do you care to Cross that Line???

What does that have to do with religious preconceptions?

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[David in NJ]

What does that have to do with religious preconceptions?

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Everything

"He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God."

No preconceived religious viewpoints of man are included in the Gospel.

 

[St. SteVen]

St. SteVen said:
What does that have to do with religious preconceptions?

Everything

You quoted Isaiah 53:1-6 (without a reference)
Which has nothing to do with religious preconceptions as far as I can tell.
But you say "Everything"? Explain.

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[David in NJ]

St. SteVen said:
What does that have to do with religious preconceptions?

You quoted Isaiah 53:1-6 (without a reference)
Which has nothing to do with religious preconceptions as far as I can tell.
But you say "Everything"? Explain.

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You quoted Isaiah 53:1-6 (without a reference)

reference: You asked: "Where do we draw the battle line?"

Which has nothing to do with religious preconceptions as far as I can tell.

EXACTLY

 

[David in NJ]

Doctrinal unity is found in the world?

There is no agreement on doctrines of FATHER/SON/HOLY SPIRIT.
Only doctrinal opinions.

Love is the Greatest of these = when that love comes from God thru us to a lost a world in the Hope of the Gospel

 

[Bruce-Leiter]

Seems that biblical understanding has more to do with religious upbringing and environment than the content of the Bible.

I imagine that a young Catholic learns that Mary is the Mother of God based on the statement of the angel,
“Greetings, you who are highly favored! The Lord is with you.” - Luke 1:28 NIV

I was raised Protestant, so I am only guessing at how that actually happens in Catholicism.
But obviously an environment with statues of Mary and Rosary beads has a lot of impact on the meaning.
This creates a religious preconception.

As a Protestant, we read past that statement without dwelling on it much.
To us, it was a story about Jesus and his earthly mother. This also creates a religious preconception.

As the young person, whether Catholic or Protestant, matures in their religious upbringing,
these compounded preconceptions form a doctrinal understanding. A basis to work from; a point of view.

When this maturing person hears something outside the realm of their religious preconception it strikes them as wrong.

Apologetics are there to bolster one's own religious preconceptions. They have theirs, and you have yours.
This is where the battle lines are drawn. "We believe such and so, because..."

It's easy to identify a religious cult. They meet in the church across the street from your church.
And they feel the same way about you. --- Where does this leave us?

Choice of doctrine is driven by religious preconception - Spirituality is an individualized journey

Since God saved me 66 years ago at the age of 16, I know he put in my heart to read the whole Bible over and over again. God has given me that idea to help me interpret the Bible on its own assumptions, not on human assumptions. I recommend it to everyone to avoid the dangers that you point out. Get rid of preconceptions by going to the Bible itself. But as Jesus said, love God above all and also other people. Discuss, don't argue, God's Word.

 

[amigo de christo]

Since God saved me 66 years ago at the age of 16, I know he put in my heart to read the whole Bible over and over again. God has given me that idea to help me interpret the Bible on its own assumptions, not on human assumptions. I recommend it to everyone to avoid the dangers that you point out. Get rid of preconceptions by going to the Bible itself. But as Jesus said, love God above all and also other people. Discuss, don't argue, God's Word.

My dear friend what a wonderful reminder to all .
This is exactly what GOD himself led me to do . And by grace over and over again have i stayed in just that holy book
every day since .
Man has complicated many things . But if we would simply read and enjoy that lovely book for ourselves
what a glorious thing occurs .
You have well written that which you did write dear sir . Thank you for such a wonderful reminder my friend .

 

[amigo de christo]

Love is the Greatest of these = when that love comes from God thru us to a lost a world in the Hope of the Gospel

Love is the greatest .
But if that love be contrary to the LOVE of the HOLY GOD
then i tell us all that love is of the world and leadeth to destruction and perditoin .
What DOES the LOVE OF GOD rejoice IN .
Well what does charity rejoice in ,
Now before i answer that i want to show us all something that is often overlooked .
And that is this . David , did you know that EVEN if i gave my body to be burned
and even gave ALL , notice ALL , my goods to the poor and yet had NOT charity IT PROFITS NOTHING .
SO while i do know that giving to the poor might be an act of charity
I ALSO KNOW many can do that and yet still have NO charity .
SO again i ask us . What DOES CHARITY REJOICE IN
that the love today i see getting preached SURE DONT SEEM TO REJOICE IN at all but rather that love rejoices in
a broad path sin accepting lie .
What IS IT that LOVE REJOICES IN my friend . THE TRUTH .
WHO IS TRUTH . GOD , CHRIST , THE SPIRIT and EVERY WORD OF GOD .
SO how come so many today dont seem to LOVE HIS TRUTH , HIS WORDS , But rather
rejoice in a love that seems to accept sins and other paths as valid .
I will tell us why . FOR as i wrote above , there is such a thing as the love of the world .
Those who make and love A LIE . many love a lie david .
and now a word
what occurs to those who make and love a lie . for more info on that i suggest we read revelation . IT says lake of fire .