We’re the two witnesses from the past?

[Truth7t7]

Who is Michael?

Not Jesus Christ as Ellen G.White and the 7th Day Adventist falsely teach

 

[Marty fox]

No Jesus isn't that per se, he is saying the people living as the nation Israel will not accept and that they will reject him as the Messiah during his life, not at the end times when we know Israel accepts God. But is it because the Two-witnesses return, no, not in full, their hearts are primed for repentance, that is what the 70th week AND the Pre Trib Rapture has wrought, thus the Two-witnesses are sent back to help build their FAITH QUICKLY because at the 1335 they have no time to waste, the 1/3 or 3.5-5 million Jews have to gain repentance within 75 days. From the 1335 to the 1260 Anti-Christ is 75 days.

Zech. 13:8-9 says that 1/3 of the end time Jews will repent just before the DOTL (1260).

Malachi 4:5-6 says that Elijah will return just before the DOTL to turn Israel back unto God.

Ezekiel 37 says in the end times God will bring Israel back into the land but they will have NO BREATH in them, then afterwards God breathes life back into them.

You are conflating Jesus speaking about Israel as a nation in the first Century with revived Israel in the end times, how do you confuse and conflate these things? I don't get get tbh.

So you just contradictEd the words right out of Jesus mouth

 

[Earburner]

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  The woman is Jerusalem that sits on 7 literal mounts as shown, Jerusalem will sit on many waters in control of the world when the future literal human man (The Beast) takes his seat as God in Jerusalem
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• (The Beast) from (Jerusalem) the woman, who will sit on the (Many Waters) in peoples and nations, as the entire unsaved world will worship (The Beast) who you deny is a future literal human man

"Mystery, Babylon the Great" is that "great city" which "is fallen", as in the present tense.
I agree that the 10HB carries that "fallen" women. She is not in control, as a supposed would be "rider".

Yes! Jerusalem which now is, "IS cast out". See all of Gal. Ch. 4.
In all of NT prophetic scripture, there are ONLY two women, with that name, that are being spoken of prophetically.

I am more inclined to the plural perspective of "that spirit of antichrist".
But, according to your understanding, that the "spirit of antchrist" is a singular man, it just may be Klaus Schwab of the WEF*, who turned 85 years old in March of this year.
However, Elon Musk, the genius billionaire, who has been "groomed" by those who do "worship the dragon" (Luciferians- the synagogue of satan, aka Zionism), could very well be the appointed replacement. He is often invited to speak at both the WEF and the UN.
The UN is the Image of the 10H Beast.

*Note: the WEF (frog-evil spirit), is the voice of the 10H Beast (Rev. 16:12-14), of which is soon to acquire ten horns (countries of military might), after WW3-.Rev. 9:14-15.
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[Earburner]

Your claim is false

Jude 1:9KJV
9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

Do you have OT scripture to support the claim of Jude 1:9?

 

[teamventure]

Do you have OT scripture to support the claim of Jude 1:9?

How can you assert that Michael is not a literal being like an archangel?
That's ludicrous.

 

[Ziggy]

Do you have OT scripture to support the claim of Jude 1:9?

Zec 3:2
And the LORD said unto Satan, The LORD rebuke thee, O Satan; even the LORD that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire?

 

[David in NJ]

Do you have OT scripture to support the claim of Jude 1:9?

Not necessary since we have Jude 1:9

 

[David in NJ]

Not necessary since we have Jude 1:9

What it does say in the OT is that God hid/burried the body of Moses.

 

[Ronald D Milam]

So you just contradictEd the words right out of Jesus mouth

No, just like most Message Board Warriors, not really called unto Prophecy, you have no clue about prophecy, but want to try to teach others anyway. FAIL

 

[Earburner]

Zec 3:2
And the LORD said unto Satan, The LORD rebuke thee, O Satan; even the LORD that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire?

Correct, that's it. That's the verse that reveals the name "Michael" the ARCHangel is symbolic of Jesus.
The depth of this is not seen or comprehended by our "natural man [mind]", but rather by the mind of Christ within us.

Zec. 3:2 reveals in example of how the Lord made no railing accusation against Satan, but had altogether put it into God's hands for judgment, for God the Father to rebuke satan.
Why? Jesus was not to draw attention to himself, because God's plan of salvation for man was to be kept a secret from the beginning of the world, until Jesus and John the Baptist were revealed as "God's two anointed ones", in the day of Jesus' baptism by John, and the Holy Spirit of God the Father Himself permanently descending upon Him.
Eph. 3:9-12
[9] And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

> the mystery is: God the Father permanently dwelling within the mortal flesh of Jesus, who is God's ONLY begotten Son, who is now made immortal, being "the first born from the dead".

Now one can see why Rom. 8:9 is so important to understand, in conjunction with John 3:3-8, and 1 John 5:12-13.

Rom. 16
[25] Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

 

[Truth7t7]

Do you have OT scripture to support the claim of Jude 1:9?

No need for additional scripture, you have been shown Jude 1:9 that Mentions Michael the Archangel

1 Timoty 3:16-17KHV
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works

 

[ewq1938]

There is no literal Michael the archangel

Yes there is. He is mentioned many times. He is not Jesus.

 

[Truth7t7]

Correct, that's it. That's the verse that reveals the name "Michael" the ARCHangel is symbolic of Jesus.

Your claim is false again, in the scripture below Michael refers to "The Lord" showing he isn't Jesus Christ

You promote the false teaching of Jehovahs Witnesses and 7th Day Adventist in their claim Michael the Arcgangel is Jesus Christ, 100% False

Jude 1:9KJV
9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

 

[Ziggy]

And then there is Melchizedek.

Heb 7:1
For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;
Heb 7:2
To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;
Heb 7:3
Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

Heb 7:8
And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.
Heb 7:9
And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham.
Heb 7:10
For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him.

Jhn 8:58
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

Jhn 3:13
And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

People like to put God in a box and make him appear the way they believe he should appear.
But God isn't in the box. He is the box and we are in him.

Who is the King of Peace? Who is the King of Righteousness?

Isa 62:11
Behold, the LORD hath proclaimed unto the end of the world, Say ye to the daughter of Zion, Behold, thy salvation cometh; behold, his reward is with him, and his work before him.

1Co 15:24
Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

Gen 14:18
And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God.

Heb 3:1
Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;
Heb 4:14
Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.

Jhn 3:13
And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

God has many names. Some known and some unknown.

Jdg 13:17
And Manoah said unto the angel of the LORD, What is thy name, that when thy sayings come to pass we may do thee honour?
Jdg 13:18
And the angel of the LORD said unto him, Why askest thou thus after my name, seeing it is secret?

Exo 6:3
And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.

Mat 16:15
He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
Mat 16:16
And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
Mat 16:17
And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

The Lord is whomever he chooses to reveal himself to.

He can be Melchizedek, an angel, a dove, or Michael, Jehovah, Jesus.. etc.
He reveals himself in his own time and ways.
Seek and ye shall find.

Hugs

 

[Ziggy]

Jesus was not to draw attention to himself, because God's plan of salvation for man was to be kept a secret from the beginning of the world, until Jesus and John the Baptist were revealed as "God's two anointed ones", in the day of Jesus' baptism by John, and the Holy Spirit of God the Father Himself permanently descending upon Him.

John was Old school (Law) Jesus was New school (Faith)
Rev 14:12
Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Mat 13:52
Then said he unto them, Therefore every scribe which is instructed unto the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which bringeth forth out of his treasure things new and old.

Hugs

 

[Earburner]

Jdg 13:17
And Manoah said unto the angel of the LORD, What is thy name, that when thy sayings come to pass we may do thee honour?
Jdg 13:18
And the angel of the LORD said unto him, Why askest thou thus after my name, seeing it is secret?

And there it is again! The mystery of God's salvation being kept secret, until the day of Jesus' birth.

 

[Earburner]

John was Old school (Law) Jesus was New school (Faith)
Rev 14:12
Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Mat 13:52
Then said he unto them, Therefore every scribe which is instructed unto the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which bringeth forth out of his treasure things new and old.

Hugs

In that prophecy of "my two anointed ones" (Zech 4:1-14), God describes the "golden oil" that pours out of themselves. Oil is symbolic of anointing, which is God's Holy Spirit.

Of all the people who have ever lived, only John the Baptist and Jesus were born with the Holy Spirit of God dwelling within them. Luke 1:15, Luke 1:41
John was the witness of who Jesus is, and Jesus was the witness of who God the Father is.

Having therefore a joint ministry prophetically, John's ministry lasted for 6 months, 6x30=180 days.
Jesus' ministry, from His baptism by John, lasted for 3 years, 360x3=1080. Both totalled together = 1260 days, aka 42 mos. or 3.5 years.

Rev. 11
[3] And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days [1260], clothed in sackcloth.
Rev. 12
[6] And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore [1260] days.

 

[ScottA]

Going down the rabbit hole....

Consider the sun and moon as witnesses

Psa 89:34
My covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips.
Psa 89:35
Once have I sworn by my holiness that I will not lie unto David.
Psa 89:36
His seed shall endure for ever, and his throne as the sun before me.
Psa 89:37
It shall be established for ever as the moon, and as a faithful witness in heaven. Selah.

Psa 72:5
They shall fear thee as long as the sun and moon endure, throughout all generations.

Compare:

Isa 60:19
The sun shall be no more thy light by day; neither for brightness shall the moon give light unto thee: but the LORD shall be unto thee an everlasting light, and thy God thy glory.

Jhn 4:21
Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.
Jhn 4:22
Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
Jhn 4:23
But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
Jhn 4:24
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Joe 2:31
The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.

Darkness is ignorance. Blood is sacrifice.

Luk 21:25
And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

Rev 12:1
And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

Rev 21:23
And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

There will be neither Jew nor Gentile because the Lord is Lord of All.

Could the two witnesses be the sun and the moon that represent Judaism and Christianity which Clothes New Jeruselem.
And the stars are those the shine brightly in it.
That's us.

What does it mean the sun shall be darkened and the moon shall turn to blood?
Judaism and Christianity will both be tried like gold in a furnace.

1Pe 4:17
For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

Does this mean we will not see physical changes in the sun or the moon? No.
It means that what happens in the spiritual realm eventually manifests itself in material ways.

Mar 7:21
For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
Mar 7:22
Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
Mar 7:23
All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.

God uses many things to get his point across. But the truth never changes only the imagery of it.

Hugs

Here the sun and the moon are identified as Jesus and Satan:

Genesis 1:16a​

Then God made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night.​

 

[Earburner]

How can you assert that Michael is not a literal being like an archangel?
That's ludicrous.

Is satan a literal dragon and other names of infamy, or was he once "the anointed cherub that covereth" at God's throne, whose real identity is Lucifer? Ezk. 28:13-16.
By the way, who is "the angel of the LORD", having numerous names (such as Michael), but His true identity was being kept "secret"? Judges 13
[18] And the angel of the LORD said unto him, Why askest thou thus after my name, seeing it is secret?

 

[Marty fox]

No, just like most Message Board Warriors, not really called unto Prophecy, you have no clue about prophecy, but want to try to teach others anyway. FAIL

Yet your the one who just contradicted Jesus