We’re the two witnesses from the past?

[David in NJ]

Abraham was a gentile too. Who gave birth to Israel.
Chicken and the egg...
Rom 4:16
Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

Everything gives witness to the one that created everything.

Peace
and Hugs
:)

Ziggy says: "Everything gives witness to the one that created everything."

i say AMEN to that

Dear Ziggy = we are SURROUNDED

Therefore we also, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which so easily ensnares us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You know well that the scripture itself interprets the mystery of the 7 heads and 10 horns below, you do nothing more than use this as a "Distraction"

The 7 heads are 7 literal mountains, and the 10 horns are 10 literal kings

Revelation 17:7-12KJV
7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.
8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

How can the 7 heads be 7 literal mountains in light of this:

Revelation 13:3 One of the heads of the beast seemed to have had a fatal wound, but the fatal wound had been healed. The whole world was filled with wonder and followed the beast.

How can a literal mountain have a fatal wound that gets healed?

The problem with how you interpret scripture is that your interpretations contradict other scripture. Do you care about that?

 

[Truth7t7]

You didn't bother answering my question about the heads and the horns. You believe those are symbolic, right? So, tell me what they all represent. If you can't do that, then the type of argument you're making here can't be taken seriously.

Your questions above were answered "several hours ago" in post #129, your claim I didn't answer is "False"

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Your questions above were answered "several hours ago" in post #129, your claim I didn't answer is "False"

I said that before seeing that post, so I will delete that post. I was saying you didn't answer it in the post I was responding to, which is true. But, I didn't know you had answered it in a different post until later.

 

[Truth7t7]

How can the 7 heads be 7 literal mountains in light of this:

The interpretation on the mystery of the 7 heads is given by the angel as being 7 mountains, simple, clear, easy to understand

Just because it states in Revelatiin 13:3 a head is wounded and healed, it doesn't negate the fact that the 7 heads are 7 mountains as seen below

The interpretation is given from the symbolic 7 heads to the literal 7 mountains

The symbolic 10 horns are 10 literal kings, it's that simple, and your head being wounded in Revelation 13:3 doesn't negate this fact

My KJV doesn't state the 7 heads are 7 mountains which are 7 kings as the NIV does below

The scripture states the 7 heads are 7 mountains, on which the woman sitteth. With a big period after sitteth ending the sentence in explanation, and verse 10 starts with a big "And" that shows two completely different subjects, that aren't related

I'm well aware of the New Versions being different, I will stick with my good Ole KJV

(And there are seven kings)

Revelation 17:9KJV
9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

(They are also seven kings)

Revelation 17:9-10NIV
9 “This calls for a mind with wisdom. The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits. 10 They are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; but when he does come, he must remain for only a little while.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The interpretation on the mystery of the 7 heads is given by the angel as being 7 mountains, simple, clear, easy to understand

Just because it states in Revelatiin 13:3 a head is wounded and healed, it doesn't negate the fact that the 7 heads are 7 mountains as seen below

The interpretation is given from the symbolic 7 heads to the literal 7 mountains

The symbolic 10 horns are 10 literal kings, it's that simple, and your head being wounded in Revelation 13:3 doesn't negate this fact

The scripture doesn't state the 7 heads are 7 mountains which are 7 kings

The scripture states the 7 heads are 7 mountains, on which the woman sitteth. With a big period after sitteth ending the sentence in explanation, and verse 10 starts with a big "And" that shows two completely different subjects, that aren't related

I'm well aware of the New Versions being different, I will stick with my good Ole KJV

(And there are seven kings)

Revelation 17:9KJV
9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

(They are also seven kings)

Revelation 17:9-10NIV
9 “This calls for a mind with wisdom. The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits. 10 They are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; but when he does come, he must remain for only a little while.

Are you afraid to answer the question I asked? It seems that every time someone asks you a challenging question, you just dismiss it. It was a valid question that you should be able to answer if your understanding is correct. Don't deny that. So, again, if the seven heads refer to seven literal mountains then explain to me how one of the heads could suffer a mortal wound (or at least what appears to be a mortal wound) and then be healed. Since you insist that the heads are literal mountains then explain that to me.

The fact that it says the seven heads are also seven kings should give you a clue that they are not seven literal mountains. They can't be both literal mountains and literal kings. In scripture, mountains are sometimes used symbolically to refer to kingdoms. Such as references to God's "holy mountain". By seeing the mountains as being a reference to kingdoms, then we can make sense of the seven heads being both seven kings and seven mountains (kingdoms) since there are no kings without kingdoms and no kingdoms without kings. It goes hand in hand. But, being both literal mountains and literal kings? That makes no sense. Do you not care if your view makes sense or not?

And then there is another thing you should consider.

Rev 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

The woman sits on the seven mountains. How can that be literal mountains? Can a symbolic woman sit on literal mountains? It also says she sits on "many waters". Are the many waters she sits on literal? No, right? So, why would the seven mountains she sits on be literal mountains? How can a symbolic woman sit on literal things? That makes no sense. You need to take things like this into consideration. You need to start being objective and start looking at the big picture instead of only looking at things through your hyper-literal and hyper-futurist lens.

 

[Truth7t7]

The woman sits on the seven mountains. How can that be literal mountains? Can a symbolic woman sit on literal mountains?

"Yes" The symbolic woman is Jerusalem and it sits on seven literal Mounts/Mountains as you have been shown countless times

Once Again

(Jerusalem) Is The Whore, Mystery Babylon The Great.

The Levitical High Priest Dressing represents "The Woman", that is dressed in purple, scarlet, gold, and precious stones as seen below

(Revelation) 17:4KJV
4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

Yes "The Woman", The Levitical High Priest, Dressed In Purple, Scarlet, Gold, And Precious Stones

(Exodus) 28:15-20KJV
15 And thou shalt make the breastplate of judgment with cunning work; after the work of the ephod thou shalt make it; of gold, of blue, and of purple, and of scarlet, and of fine twined linen, shalt thou make it.
16 Foursquare it shall be being doubled; a span shall be the length thereof, and a span shall be the breadth thereof.
17 And thou shalt set in it settings of stones, even four rows of stones: the first row shall be a sardius, a topaz, and a carbuncle: this shall be the first row.
18 And the second row shall be an emerald, a sapphire, and a diamond.
19 And the third row a ligure, an agate, and an amethyst.
20 And the fourth row a beryl, and an onyx, and a jasper: they shall be set in gold in their inclosings.

(Jerusalem) is the seven Mount city, where the woman sits, not Rome as many falsely claim.

(Revelation) 17:9KJV
9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

List of cities claimed to be built on seven hills - Wikipedia
Jerusalem, Israel: Jerusalem's seven hills are Mount Scopus, Mount Olivet and the Mount of Corruption (all three are peaks in a mountain ridge that lies east of the Old City), Mount Ophel, the original Mount Zion, the New Mount Zion and the hill on which the Antonia Fortress was built.

The Roman Empire didnt exist to be guilty of the Prophets blood seen below, Jerusalem did.

(Revelation) 18:24KJV
24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

(Matthew) 23:29-37KJV
29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,
30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

Jerusalem (The Woman) that (Great City) as seen below, Jerusalem where Jesus Christ was crucified

(Revelation) 17:18AKJV
18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

(Revelation) 11:8AKJV
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

Jews/Hebrews cast dust upon their heads, weeping for the (Great City) Jerusalem

(Revelation) 18:19 AKJV
19 And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

"Yes" The symbolic woman is Jerusalem and it sits on seven literal Mounts/Mountains as you have been shown countless times

You once again are avoiding my question.

I didn't ask you who you believe the symbolic woman represents, I asked how the symbolic woman can sit on literal things and I pointed out how she sits on "many waters". Are the many waters she sits on literal waters? No. It is explained what the symbolic "many waters" represent in Rev 17:15. So, why are the seven mountains she sits on literal mountains when the many waters she sits on are not literal waters? Where is the consistency in believing that the symbolic woman sits on both literal (mountains) and symbolic (many waters) things?

She also sits on "a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns" (Rev 17:3) and that is obviously not a literal beast with seven heads and ten horns. So, why would the woman sit on symbolic waters and a symbolic seven-headed, ten-horned beast, but also sit on literal mountains? There is no consistency with seeing it that way. To be consistent you should conclude that either the symbolic woman always sits on symbolic things that represent real things or she always sit on literal things. That's what I do because I believe having a consistent approach to interpreting scripture is important.

 

[Truth7t7]

The fact that it says the seven heads are also seven kings should give you a clue that they are not seven literal mountains.

My KJV doesn't state the 7 heads are 7 kings as your new version does

The KJV states the 7 heads are 7 mountains, on which the woman sitteth. With a big period after sitteth ending the sentence in explanation, and verse 10 starts with a big "And" that shows two completely different subjects, that aren't related

I'm well aware of the New Versions being different, I will stick with my good Ole KJV

(And there are seven kings)

Revelation 17:9KJV
9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

(They are also seven kings)

Revelation 17:9-10NIV
9 “This calls for a mind with wisdom. The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits. 10 They are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; but when he does come, he must remain for only a little while.

 

[Truth7t7]

• You once again are avoiding my question.
  
  I didn't ask you who you believe the symbolic woman represents, I asked how the symbolic woman can sit on literal things and I pointed out how she sits on "many waters". Are the many waters she sits on literal waters? No. It is explained what the symbolic "many waters" represent in Rev 17:15. So, why are the seven mountains she sits on literal mountains when the many waters she sits on are not literal waters? Where is the consistency in believing that the symbolic woman sits on both literal (mountains) and symbolic (many waters) things?
  
  She also sits on "a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns" (Rev 17:3) and that is obviously not a literal beast with seven heads and ten horns. So, why would the woman sit on symbolic waters and a symbolic seven-headed, ten-horned beast, but also sit on literal mountains? There is no consistency with seeing it that way. To be consistent you should conclude that either the symbolic woman always sits on symbolic things that represent real things or she always sit on literal things. That's what I do because I believe having a consistent approach to interpreting scripture is important.

  The woman is Jerusalem that sits on 7 literal mounts as shown, Jerusalem will sit on many waters in control of the world when the future literal human man (The Beast) takes his seat as God in Jerusalem
• 
  
• (The Beast) from (Jerusalem) the woman, who will sit on the (Many Waters) in peoples and nations, as the entire unsaved world will worship (The Beast) who you deny is a future literal human man
  
  

 

[Ziggy]

The Beast in Revelation is the same Beast spoken of by Daniel in chapter 2. It refers to the Roman Empire which ruled over Jerusalem and basically all areas in Jesus' day and beyond.

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You know where living in the days of Sodom and Gomorrah.
There were kings in those days too and Abraham fought against them and won.
That's when Melchizadek made his appearance.
After the battle with bread and wine.

Gen 14:8
And there went out the king of Sodom, and the king of Gomorrah, and the king of Admah, and the king of Zeboiim, and the king of Bela (the same is Zoar;) and they joined battle with them in the vale of Siddim;
Gen 14:9
With Chedorlaomer the king of Elam, and with Tidal king of nations, and Amraphel king of Shinar, and Arioch king of Ellasar; four kings with five.

History repeats itself.

How many nations will Christianity (FAITH) have to battle in the very near future?
It's getting pretty radical out there.
Do you feel like Lot yet?

Just asking for a friend.
Hugs

 

[Truth7t7]

History repeats itself.

How many nations will Christianity (FAITH) have to battle in the very near future?
It's getting pretty radical out there.
Do you feel like Lot yet?

Just asking for a friend.
Hugs

Wow hard to believe, he went all the way with it, homosexuality us welcome in the Catholic Church, I read it

 

[Earburner]

Unlearn what you have been taught.

Allow the Truth to bring Light & Understanding.

Daniel ch12
1“At that time Michael shall stand up,
The great prince who stands watch over the sons of your people;
And there shall be a time of trouble,
Such as never was since there was a nation,
Even to that time.
And at that time your people shall be delivered,
Every one who is found written in the book.
2And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake,
Some to everlasting life,
Some to shame and everlasting contempt.
3Those who are wise shall shine
Like the brightness of the firmament,
And those who turn many to righteousness
Like the stars forever and ever.

Michael (the arch*angel) is symbolic of Jesus in His pre-incarnate state.
Jesus was the "Promise" that was to come, of whom upto His birth, was being kept secret since the world began. Rom. 16:25.
Please reference KJV Dan. 10, 13, Dan. 12:1

Rev. 12
[7] And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
[8] And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
Mat. 26
[53] Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?

*Note:
Strong's #746: arche (pronounced ar-khay')
from 756; (properly abstract) a commencement, or (concretely) chief (in various applications of order, time, place, or rank):--beginning, corner, (at the, the) first (estate), magistrate, power, principality, principle, rule.

Mat. 21
[42] Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?

 

[ewq1938]

Michael (the arch*angel) is symbolic of Jesus in His pre-incarnate state.
Jesus was the "Promise" that was to come, of whom upto His birth, was being kept secret since the world began. Rom. 16:25.
Please reference KJV Dan. 10, 13, Dan. 12:1

Rev. 12
[7] And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
[8] And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
Mat. 26
[53] Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?

*Note:
Strong's #746: arche (pronounced ar-khay')
from 756; (properly abstract) a commencement, or (concretely) chief (in various applications of order, time, place, or rank):--beginning, corner, (at the, the) first (estate), magistrate, power, principality, principle, rule.

Mat. 21
[42] Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?

Jesus is God, Michael is an angel. They are not the same person.

 

[Earburner]

Jesus is God, Michael is an angel. They are not the same person.

There is no literal Michael the archangel, just as there is no literal dragon with a literal tail, casting literal stars onto the earth.
However, there is extreme contention and opposition by satan against the Holy Spirit of God the Father and God the Son, being as one.

For the purposes of our salvation, being that of God the Father's indwelling of us, He first had to indwell the body of Jesus, when God the Son was made to be flesh. In a very direct and brief statement, Rom. 8:9 explains it all.
John 14
[23] Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him

Together towards us, they are now eternally and Immortaly one as Jesus, aka the Holy Spirit of God, having now the ability to be both physical and Spirit at will. John 6:46, John 14:9.

Prov. 8:22-31
[22] The LORD possessed me [Jesus] in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
[23] I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.
[24] When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.
Heb. 1
[3] Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
Heb. 10
[5] Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

 

[Ronald D Milam]

A lot of people believe that the two witnesses will be people from the past from the bible like Mosses and Elijah because they appeared at the transfiguration or Enoch and Elijah because they didn’t die.

I believe that the two witnesses are symbolic for the law and the prophets which all pointed to Jesus. Jesus and Abraham confirms this in the verses below.

Luke 16:27-31
27 “He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my family, 28 for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’

29 “Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’

30 “‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’

31 “He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’”

Moses (who represented the Law) and the prophets all pointed to Jesus just like the two witnesses point to Jesus. In the verses above we see that the law and the prophets is all anyone especially the Jews need and will get to see who Jesus is. Not only does Jesus predict His death and resurrection in these scriptures but He also predicted that the Jewish nation will still reject Him even after His death and resurrection.

These scriptures also have a two fold meaning when Jesus says that they won’t believe even if someone comes back from the dead He is also saying that the two witnesses cannot be anyone from the past coming back to life to preach because people still won’t believe so why would God even send them?

No Jesus isn't that per se, he is saying the people living as the nation Israel will not accept and that they will reject him as the Messiah during his life, not at the end times when we know Israel accepts God. But is it because the Two-witnesses return, no, not in full, their hearts are primed for repentance, that is what the 70th week AND the Pre Trib Rapture has wrought, thus the Two-witnesses are sent back to help build their FAITH QUICKLY because at the 1335 they have no time to waste, the 1/3 or 3.5-5 million Jews have to gain repentance within 75 days. From the 1335 to the 1260 Anti-Christ is 75 days.

Zech. 13:8-9 says that 1/3 of the end time Jews will repent just before the DOTL (1260).

Malachi 4:5-6 says that Elijah will return just before the DOTL to turn Israel back unto God.

Ezekiel 37 says in the end times God will bring Israel back into the land but they will have NO BREATH in them, then afterwards God breathes life back into them.

You are conflating Jesus speaking about Israel as a nation in the first Century with revived Israel in the end times, how do you confuse and conflate these things? I don't get get tbh.

 

[Ronald D Milam]

This will explain my view

I believe the two witnesses to be symbolic of the prophets and the law which point to Jesus. Why does God call them the two witnesses? Why the term witness? That means that they had to witness something. Is it because they witnesses and pointed to Jesus?

In truth only the Promise was needed, but the Law was added because of sin, so yes the Two-witnesses represent the Law (Moses) and the Spirit (Elijah). This points unto how God's redemption played out.

It took two witnesses to witness a testimony and two witnesses to witness a crime. Could the testimony be about who Jesus is and the crime be what Israel was guilty of?

They come not only to call Israel unto repentance, but to be a live testimony unto the whole world that God is about to bring Judgment on the world. God used Moses to "bring the plagues" right, well God gives these Two-witnesses the power to shut off rain etc. In reality, these Two-witnesses physically pray down all of the plagues, when they pray down the 3rd Woe they are allowed to be killed, ever ask yourself why God allows them to be killed? For the same reason He gave both the Beast and Two-witnesses 1260 day Ordained Offices on this earth. We can look at when the Two-witnesses die(end of 2nd Woe) and juxtapose that against when the Beast dies (7th Vial) and use that "1260 day timeframe" to dial in these facts, the Two-witnesses have to show up before the Beast because they die before the Beast dies, this is why God allows them to die, in order to give us a way to understand all of the timelines. So, if the coming Two-witnesses show up 75 days before (1335) the Beast who shows up at the 1260, then we can also know the Two-witnesses MUST DIE 75 days before the Beast dies and that means the 3rd Woe last 75 days since the Two-witnesses die at the end of the 2nd Woe and the 3rd Woe comes quickly.

They mirror Jesus’ life as they also have a 3 ½ year ministry and can’t be killed until there time has come. They are killed by the beast (which I believe is a demon behind the power of Rome) and Rome also killed Jesus. They are killed in Jerusalem just like Jesus was. They are also dead for 3 ½ days like Jesus was and they are raised back to life and go up to heaven. Both Jesus and the two witnesses had earthquakes around the time of there death and there was also an earthquake when Jesus rose back to life.

The Demon power is Apollyon, he is the Scarlet Colored Beast.

Why is it 7000 people that died in the earthquake? Why the number 7000? Is it because 7 is the number of completeness and perfection to God and 1000 means many. It also says in Revelation 11:13 that people gave glory to God after the earthquake just like some people realized that Jesus was the son of God after the earthquake when Jesus died.

Or, just like the 7000 God has saved unto himself and the 144,000 maybe it is simply God telling us an event, and saying unto us the complete number thereof is who will die, it is for me to know and no one else. Likewise when God tells us he has 7000 saved unto Himself that is 7 (Divine Completion) x 10 x 10 x 10 (Completion) so it is not 7000 that is code. Likewise the 144,000 is also a code for ALL Israel who repents as in 12 (Fulness) x 12 x 10 (Completion) x 10 x 10 = 144,000. God tells us things without giving us specifics, that way he keeps details from Satan. Go understood exactly how many nations would make up the E.U. in the end times, but He also knew it would be a fluid situation, so He uses the number 10, when it is not 10 kings, they just represent COMPLETE Europe United.

Why is Jerusalem also called Sodom and Egypt in Revelation 11:8. Because Sodom represents the morality of Jerusalem and Egypt represents the oppression of Jerusalem.

For the same reason Israel was called "The Woman" in Rev. 12 and the 144,000 in Rev. 7 and 14. Rome had just sacked Israel and Jerusalem, so any letter they found saying Israel or Jerusalem would one day be ruling the "whole world" or that a Jewish Messiah would one day judge the "whole world" would have been seen as treason, so instead of using the names, God (who wrote the book of Revelation himself and gave it to Jesus to give to John) used CODE NAMES like these, and with Jerusalem he uses Sodom and Egypt. Its that simple, al you have to do is read the bible and you know Israel (1/3) have repented by this time, so why would God call them by a name that means filth? He isnt, He is describing Jerusalem in code.

 

[Truth7t7]

There is no literal Michael the archangel

Your claim is false

Jude 1:9KJV
9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

 

[David in NJ]

Jesus is God, Michael is an angel. They are not the same person.

Let's take another look at the Two Witness = peanut butter and jelly

With these Two Witness you have the 'Fruit of the Vine' and the 'Nuts of the Earth'

Pretty staight-forward to me.............

 

[Ziggy]

Who is Michael ?

Dan 10:13
But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.
Dan 10:21
But I will shew thee that which is noted in the scripture of truth: and there is none that holdeth with me in these things, but Michael your prince.
Dan 12:1
And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
Jde 1:9
Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
Rev 12:7
And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

Did you know Abraham was considered a mighty prince?

Gen 23:5
And the children of Heth answered Abraham, saying unto him,
Gen 23:6
Hear us, my lord: thou art a mighty prince among us: in the choice of our sepulchres bury thy dead; none of us shall withhold from thee his sepulchre, but that thou mayest bury thy dead.

God considered Jacob a prince:
Gen 32:28
And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.

Solomon was a prince:
1Ki 11:31
And he said to Jeroboam, Take thee ten pieces: for thus saith the LORD, the God of Israel, Behold, I will rend the kingdom out of the hand of Solomon, and will give ten tribes to thee:
1Ki 11:34
Howbeit I will not take the whole kingdom out of his hand: but I will make him prince all the days of his life for David my servant's sake, whom I chose, because he kept my commandments and my statutes:

Jesus is The Prince of Peace:
Isa 9:6
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

David will be prince:
Eze 34:24
And I the LORD will be their God, and my servant David a prince among them; I the LORD have spoken it.

Eze 37:25
And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.

Who is the Prince of princes?
Dan 8:25
And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.

Dan 9:25
Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

Dan 12:1
And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

Who is Michael?

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