We’re the two witnesses from the past?

[ewq1938]

We are just not told - it likely he was.

Living people aren't supposed to be buried.

 

[face2face]

Living people aren't supposed to be buried.

All die - its a reality called mortality - even Christ died and was dead (fully) and His Father raised him (only man to be given immortality!)
F2F

 

[ewq1938]

All die - its a reality called mortality

No, not all die. You should know this.

 

[face2face]

No, not all die. You should know this.

No, its rather clear, all die in Adam. 1 Corinthians 15:22
Truth isn't easy...its confronting and difficult to digest.
F2F

 

[Truth7t7]

Interesting response. I get the feeling whatever you were shown you would disregard.

I'm intrigued you would choose these two sections of Daniel's prophecy which deal with a period of history which takes you up to, and includes Christ's second coming. So, you are partially right with your own claim, however something tells me you might not fully understand what “Continuous Historical” means.

Take your Daniel 9 reference.

Seventy weeks are decreed about your people and your holy city, to finish the transgression, to put an end to sin, and to atone for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal both vision and prophet, and to anoint a most holy place. Daniel 9:24

This is a little off topic in understanding that the Continuous Historical interpretation model is the correct one for understanding the Revelation.

Can you explain your understanding of how this prophecy is to be fulfilled?

Read Daniel 9:15-16 for context to the fuilfillment of the red text.

What do you think was the end of Israels trasngression?
When do you believe God put an end to sin?
And when did God atone for iniquity ?
In an ultimate sense when will God through Christ bring in everlasting righteousness and unseal the vision and the prophet, to anoint the most Holy Place?

I'm hoping your answers will show us in this one verse you have continuous historical events which leads you to a future event to fulfill this prophecy.

Ultimately, what is shown in this verse is precisely how Daniel & the Revelation must be interpreted.

Hence the different metals of the image in Daniel 2 are historical empires one succeeding the other...same goes for Daniel Chapter 7 though from God's perspective (ugly vicious beasts).

Likewise, the unfolding of History in Revelation 7 to the end (scattered throughout the Revelation are visions for each generation to hold onto, to keep their lamps alight).

Thanks
F2F

Daniel's AOD is future, and the bad guy causing the Abomination and Desolation will be present on earth to the "Consummation" Ultimate End

"Future" Events Unfulfilled

This "Future" figure will be present on earth making (Abomination & Desolation) to the (Consummation) or (The Ultimate End) "Future" Event(s) Unfulfilled

(The Future Consummation)

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Merriam-Webster
Definition of consummation

1: the act of consummating the consummation of a contract by mutual signature specifically : the consummating of a marriage
2: the ultimate end

Daniel's AOD (Even Until The Consummation) "Future"!

Daniel 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

 

[Truth7t7]

Interesting response. I get the feeling whatever you were shown you would disregard.

I'm intrigued you would choose these two sections of Daniel's prophecy which deal with a period of history which takes you up to, and includes Christ's second coming. So, you are partially right with your own claim, however something tells me you might not fully understand what “Continuous Historical” means.

Take your Daniel 9 reference.

Seventy weeks are decreed about your people and your holy city, to finish the transgression, to put an end to sin, and to atone for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal both vision and prophet, and to anoint a most holy place. Daniel 9:24

This is a little off topic in understanding that the Continuous Historical interpretation model is the correct one for understanding the Revelation.

Can you explain your understanding of how this prophecy is to be fulfilled?

Read Daniel 9:15-16 for context to the fuilfillment of the red text.

What do you think was the end of Israels trasngression?
When do you believe God put an end to sin?
And when did God atone for iniquity ?
In an ultimate sense when will God through Christ bring in everlasting righteousness and unseal the vision and the prophet, to anoint the most Holy Place?

I'm hoping your answers will show us in this one verse you have continuous historical events which leads you to a future event to fulfill this prophecy.

Ultimately, what is shown in this verse is precisely how Daniel & the Revelation must be interpreted.

Hence the different metals of the image in Daniel 2 are historical empires one succeeding the other...same goes for Daniel Chapter 7 though from God's perspective (ugly vicious beasts).

Likewise, the unfolding of History in Revelation 7 to the end (scattered throughout the Revelation are visions for each generation to hold onto, to keep their lamps alight).

Thanks
F2F

Daniel's (Little Horn), Paul's (Man Of Sin), And John's (The Beast) A Literal Human Man,, That Will Be Present On This Earth At The Second Coming Of Jesus Christ

The figure mentioned above will be a "Future" literal human man, and he will be present on earth in a living human body to witness the "Future" second coming and final judgment as scripture clearly teaches below

Daniel's (Little Horn) Present On Earth At The Second Coming

Daniel 7:8-11KJV
8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.
9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.
10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.
11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

Paul's (Man Of Sin) Present On Earth At The Second Coming

2 Thessalonians 2:3-8KJV
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

John's (The Beast) Present On Earth At The Second Coming

Revelation 19:19-20KJV
19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

 

[face2face]

Daniel's (Little Horn), Paul's (Man Of Sin), And John's (The Beast) A Literal Human Man,, That Will Be Present On This Earth At The Second Coming Of Jesus Christ

The figure mentioned above will be a "Future" literal human man, and he will be present on earth in a living human body to witness the "Future" second coming and final judgment as scripture clearly teaches below

Daniel's (Little Horn) Present On Earth At The Second Coming

Daniel 7:8-11KJV
8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.
9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.
10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.
11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

Paul's (Man Of Sin) Present On Earth At The Second Coming

2 Thessalonians 2:3-8KJV
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

John's (The Beast) Present On Earth At The Second Coming

Revelation 19:19-20KJV
19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

I'm curious why you would ignore my post and all the questions therein only to run off and quote another 3 sections of Scripture?
Go back and look at Daniel 9 and consider the questions...then we can consider the above.
F2F

 

[Truth7t7]

I'm curious why you would ignore my post and all the questions therein only to run off and quote another 3 sections of Scripture?
Go back and look at Daniel 9 and consider the questions...then we can consider the above.
F2F

I have responded to your claim regarding Daniel 9 in post #205, your claim that I ignored this is 100% "False"

I'm really not concerned with what you consider to read or not, as my claim stated Daniel 7:9-11 & Daniel 9:24-27 these are future events unfulfilled, and the presented scripture proves this fact

Jesus Is The Lord

 

[Truth7t7]

Interesting response. I get the feeling whatever you were shown you would disregard.

I'm intrigued you would choose these two sections of Daniel's prophecy which deal with a period of history which takes you up to, and includes Christ's second coming. So, you are partially right with your own claim, however something tells me you might not fully understand what “Continuous Historical” means.

Take your Daniel 9 reference.

Seventy weeks are decreed about your people and your holy city, to finish the transgression, to put an end to sin, and to atone for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal both vision and prophet, and to anoint a most holy place. Daniel 9:24

This is a little off topic in understanding that the Continuous Historical interpretation model is the correct one for understanding the Revelation.

Can you explain your understanding of how this prophecy is to be fulfilled?

Read Daniel 9:15-16 for context to the fuilfillment of the red text.

What do you think was the end of Israels trasngression?
When do you believe God put an end to sin?
And when did God atone for iniquity ?
In an ultimate sense when will God through Christ bring in everlasting righteousness and unseal the vision and the prophet, to anoint the most Holy Place?

I'm hoping your answers will show us in this one verse you have continuous historical events which leads you to a future event to fulfill this prophecy.

Ultimately, what is shown in this verse is precisely how Daniel & the Revelation must be interpreted.

Hence the different metals of the image in Daniel 2 are historical empires one succeeding the other...same goes for Daniel Chapter 7 though from God's perspective (ugly vicious beasts).

Likewise, the unfolding of History in Revelation 7 to the end (scattered throughout the Revelation are visions for each generation to hold onto, to keep their lamps alight).

Thanks
F2F

Daniel 9:24-27, Seventy "Future" Literal Weeks Explained?

Daniel's 70 weeks are literal 7 day periods, or 490 literal days.

If Daniel meant 490 years he would have written

(Four Hundred Ninety Years)

Daniel had no restrictions in "Writing" exact numerology as seen below.

Daniel 6:1KJV
It pleased Darius to set over the kingdom an hundred and twenty princes, which should be over the whole kingdom;

Daniel 8:14KJV
And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

Daniel 12:11KJV
And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

Below in Daniel 10:2-3 we see just another example of Daniel's literal weeks, as Daniel mourned and fasted for 3 literal weeks or 21 days.

Daniel 10:2-3KJV
2 In those days I Daniel was mourning three full weeks.
3 I ate no pleasant bread, neither came flesh nor wine in my mouth, neither did I anoint myself at all, till three whole weeks were fulfilled.

Below in Daniel 9:24-27 we see 70 literal "Future" weeks or 490 days.

When the "Future" call/commandment goes out in Jerusalem to build unto the Jewish Meshiach/Messiah that they wait for (They Denied Jesus Christ) this will start the 7 week period in preparing to build.

62 literal weeks will be in building, and Meshiach/Messiah will be cut off by the armies surrounding Jerusalem, this stops the building.

The 70th literal week will see (The Antichrist) revealed in making a covenant, and in the middle of this literal week he proclaims to be Meshiach/Messiah God to the Jews, and Jesus returned to the apostate church, to start a Millennium on earth.

The 3.5 year tribulation starts at this time.

Daniel 9:24-27KJV
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

 

[face2face]

I have responded to your claim regarding Daniel 9 in post #205, your claim that I ignored this is 100% "False"

I'm really not concerned with what you consider to read or not, as my claim stated Daniel 7:9-11 & Daniel 9:24-27 these are future events unfulfilled, and the presented scripture proves this fact

Jesus Is The Lord

My apologies, I missed reading #205.

Maybe, I gave you too much to consider.

What do you think was the end of Israels trasngression? What was the finish of the Jews transgression?
When do you believe God put an end to sin?

When did these events happen? Give me Scripture to show your understanding of these two things - there are many Scriptures that teach you these events.

F2F

 

[face2face]

Daniel 9:24-27, Seventy "Future" Literal Weeks Explained?

Daniel's 70 weeks are literal 7 day periods, or 490 literal days.

If Daniel meant 490 years he would have written


(Four Hundred Ninety Years)

Daniel had no restrictions in "Writing" exact numerology as seen below.

I find your appraoch to this rather interesting 7t7.

Are you saying the Scripture cannot hold symbolic numbers? That all reference to numbers must be literal, or such?

Gabriel announced that “seventy weeks,” lit., seventy units of seven, seventy heptads, had been decreed. That the passage envisions “weeks” of years and not days is all but the consensus among scholars of all prophetic schools. Just as westerners think in terms of units of ten years, the Israelites divided time into seven-year units which terminated in a sabbatical rest for the land. If a heptad here equals seven years, seventy heptads would equal 490 years.

James E. Smith, The Major Prophets, Old Testament Survey Series (Joplin, MO: College Press, 1992), 605.

I thought in Christian circles this was well accepted.

Is your extreme view of prophecy held by others here also, or do you find youself out on a limb on this "everything is future" belief?

 

[Truth7t7]

My apologies, I missed reading #205.

Maybe, I gave you too much to consider.

What do you think was the end of Israels trasngression? What was the finish of the Jews transgression?
When do you believe God put an end to sin?

When did these events happen? Give me Scripture to show your understanding of these two things - there are many Scriptures that teach you these events.

F2F

Transgression and sin will end, with everlasting righteousness being brought in, this takes place at the "Consummation" of all things at the future second coming

I'm fully aware that reformed eschatology teaches this took place at the cross, I disagree

 

[face2face]

The 70th literal week will see (The Antichrist) revealed in making a covenant, and in the middle of this literal week he proclaims to be Meshiach/Messiah God to the Jews, and Jesus returned to the apostate church, to start a Millennium on earth.

The 3.5 year tribulation starts at this time.

Daniel 9:24-27KJV
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Ah, so you force your own interpratation on Daniel 9, so as to force it into your own interpration of the Revelation. So really it matters not what Dan 9:24 is teaching, because you have made it fit so to speak your futurist view.

Playing dangerously with the Word of God there 7.

I think, if you were an objective person, you would see how impossible it would be to show you anything historical with you taking on this viewpoint.

I mean, if you are unble to pin point a time in history when the Jews made an end to their transgression "final", there really isnt much hope for your understanding to grow.

F2F

 

[face2face]

Transgression and sin will end, with everlasting righteousness being brought in, this takes place at the "Consummation" of all things at the future second coming

I'm fully aware that reformed eschatology teaches this took place at the cross, I disagree

The context to Daniel 9 is given to you in verses 15 & 16

15 “Now, Lord our God, who brought your people out of Egypt with a mighty hand and who made for yourself a name that endures to this day, we have sinned, we have done wrong. 16 Lord, in keeping with all your righteous acts, turn away your anger and your wrath from Jerusalem, your city, your holy hill. Our sins and the iniquities of our ancestors have made Jerusalem and your people an object of scorn to all those around us.

How do you ignore the context? It's clear! I've even bolded the points that speak to the prophecy.

Your avoidence is rather telling 7 - surely you can see this much is true.

F2F

 

[face2face]

@Truth7t7

How do you treat the continous historical interpratation of Daniel 2 & 7?

Do you treat those chapters as all in the future as well?

If so, my head would certainly be spinning!

F2F

 

[Truth7t7]

I find your appraoch to this rather interesting 7t7.

Are you saying the Scripture cannot hold symbolic numbers? That all reference to numbers must be literal, or such?

Gabriel announced that “seventy weeks,” lit., seventy units of seven, seventy heptads, had been decreed. That the passage envisions “weeks” of years and not days is all but the consensus among scholars of all prophetic schools. Just as westerners think in terms of units of ten years, the Israelites divided time into seven-year units which terminated in a sabbatical rest for the land. If a heptad here equals seven years, seventy heptads would equal 490 years.

James E. Smith, The Major Prophets, Old Testament Survey Series (Joplin, MO: College Press, 1992), 605.

I thought in Christian circles this was well accepted.

Is your extreme view of prophecy held by others here also, or do you find youself out on a limb on this "everything is future" belief?

Scripture reads "Seventy Weeks" if Daniel meant (Four Hundred Ninety Years) he would have written such "He Didn't"

There is no 69 weeks have been fulfilled, with a floating 70th week for 2,000 years and waiting, that's Aesops fables in fairy tale land

The 70 literal weeks are future, and will begin with a future command to build the wall/street in Jerusalem

As you have been clearly shown, the bad guy seen will be present on this earth to the very end in the "Consummation"

 

[face2face]

Scripture reads "Seventy Weeks" if Daniel meant (Four Hundred Ninety Years) he would have written such "He Didn't"

Would you consider yourself a Bible Literalist? Do you tend to read everything in the Word of God as literal?
Not criticising you, just interested to know if this is the case.
F2F

 

[Truth7t7]

The context to Daniel 9 is given to you in verses 15 & 16

15 “Now, Lord our God, who brought your people out of Egypt with a mighty hand and who made for yourself a name that endures to this day, we have sinned, we have done wrong. 16 Lord, in keeping with all your righteous acts, turn away your anger and your wrath from Jerusalem, your city, your holy hill. Our sins and the iniquities of our ancestors have made Jerusalem and your people an object of scorn to all those around us.

How do you ignore the context? It's clear! I've even bolded the points that speak to the prophecy.

Your avoidence is rather telling 7 - surely you can see this much is true.

F2F

It's you that willfully ignores the context of the scripture, the prince to come is (FUTURE) he will be on this earth until the (CONSUMMATION) OR (THE ULTIMATE END)

The prince that shall come, he shall make it desolate (EVEN UNTIL THE CONSUMMATION)

(FUTURE) (FUTURE) (FUTURE)

22 And he informed me, and talked with me, and said, O Daniel, I am now come forth to give thee skill and understanding.
23 At the beginning of thy supplications the commandment came forth, and I am come to shew thee; for thou art greatly beloved: therefore understand the matter, and consider the vision.
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

 

[Truth7t7]

Would you consider yourself a Bible Literalist? Do you tend to read everything in the Word of God as literal?
Not criticising you, just interested to know if this is the case.
F2F

"NO" everything isn't literal in the bible, Daniel wrote (Seventy Weeks), that's what it is,, (Four Hundred And Ninety) literal days

it's man's dreams and imaginations that has turned this into (Four Hundred Ninety Years) adding to scripture

Human logic shows the reader that it takes 62 weeks to build a street and wall, not 62 x 7 years = 434 years to build it

 

[face2face]

Interesting response. I get the feeling whatever you were shown you would disregard.

I'm intrigued you would choose these two sections of Daniel's prophecy which deal with a period of history which takes you up to, and includes Christ's second coming. So, you are partially right with your own claim, however something tells me you might not fully understand what “Continuous Historical” means.

Take your Daniel 9 reference.

Seventy weeks are decreed about your people and your holy city, to finish the transgression, to put an end to sin, and to atone for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal both vision and prophet, and to anoint a most holy place. Daniel 9:24

This is a little off topic in understanding that the Continuous Historical interpretation model is the correct one for understanding the Revelation.

Can you explain your understanding of how this prophecy is to be fulfilled?

Read Daniel 9:15-16 for context to the fuilfillment of the red text.

What do you think was the end of Israels trasngression?
When do you believe God put an end to sin?
And when did God atone for iniquity ?
In an ultimate sense when will God through Christ bring in everlasting righteousness and unseal the vision and the prophet, to anoint the most Holy Place?

I'm hoping your answers will show us in this one verse you have continuous historical events which leads you to a future event to fulfill this prophecy.

Ultimately, what is shown in this verse is precisely how Daniel & the Revelation must be interpreted.

Hence the different metals of the image in Daniel 2 are historical empires one succeeding the other...same goes for Daniel Chapter 7 though from God's perspective (ugly vicious beasts).

Likewise, the unfolding of History in Revelation 7 to the end (scattered throughout the Revelation are visions for each generation to hold onto, to keep their lamps alight).

Thanks
F2F

For everyone else,

I feel oblidged to show the correct interpratation of Daniel 9:24

What do you think was the end of Israels trasngression? Clearly the end of their transgression was the putting to death of the Son of God. The crucifixion of Christ was the culmination of their transgression against God. Their rebellion against God would be "restricted" or controlled by bringing that age to an end. Christ challenged them to fulfil these terms: "Fill you up then the measure of your fathers" (Matt 23:32). @Truth7t7 - its important to look at the Masters teachings when interpreting prophecy - plenty of clues are given! Further to this at the trial of Jesus, the heaven-sent King of the Jews, the people shouted "Away with him; crucify him; we will not have this man to rule over us." They preferred the Roman Caesar, and this decision concluded the period of Divine mercy. Therefore in terms of interpreting this section the historical order is outlined clearly. Their rejection and crucifixtion of Christ is the end of Israels transgression.

When do you believe God put an end to sin?

Again, This was accomplished by the Lord individually at his first coming, when his offering superseded those under the Law. Concerning offerings for sins, for both priest and people, Christ offered "once, when he offered up himself" (Read Heb 7:27), and that was "at the end of the age when he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself" (Read Hebrews 9:26). Christ's work as the sin offering was "sealed up" or completed by his resurrection (Read Romans 1:4-5; 4:24-25; Heb. 10:14, 18; 9:14-15).

@Truth7t7 I'm sure you cannot provide pin point events which answer to this prophecy which also answer to Daniel 9:15-16 in regards to their sins and their city! It's all there if you look!

And when did God atone for iniquity ?

Jesus would become the covering for sin. Context is found in Daniel 9:16 when he sought the forgiveness of his people. Gabriel now reveals the means by which this would be accomplished: through Messiah the Prince.

In an ultimate sense when will God through Christ bring in everlasting righteousness and unseal the vision and the prophet, to anoint the most Holy Place?

The atoning work of Christ would not only cover sins, but also provide a justification for "the ages" (Heb. olahm, "everlasting"). Olahm refers to a concealed, or hidden period.

It would be an injustice to the text to try an force these clear prophetic principles to Christ's second coming having seen the fulfillment in the life, death and ressurection of Jesus Christ and the destruction of Jerusalem in Ad70.

Logic and common sense must previal.

F2F