The Two Witnesses Will Appear in the Next New Moon

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Ronald David Bruno

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God wants obedience to his commands in the Torah. His commands teach us how to love others and ourselves and God. Without obedience it is impossible to truly love. That is why the Torah is summarized with love. If you steal, then do you not love your neighbor. If you murder, then you do not love your neighbor. If you try to change your gender, then you do not love yourself because you are denaturing your body.
You didn't answer the question about YOUR FRUIT THAT YOU PRODUCE compared to the fruit of the Spirit list???
And consider that our fruit is not grown to just eat ourselves, we are to share it with others.
So it is not so much how you view yourself, because most of us think more highly of ourselves than others think of us. YOU really are what others around you that know you, (your family close friends), all think of you. They consume your fruit. What does it taste like to them? We don't praise ourselves, rather let others praise us if we deserve any at all.
Let me add this. The Judaisers insisted on the Gentiles keeping the Law, in specifically circumcision. This verse corrected them:

"Now therefore why do you put God to the test by placing upon the neck of the disciples a yoke which neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear?"Acts 15:10

YOU are trying to do the same thing. Sorry, I don't wear that yoke!
 
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You called me despicable first. What does that say about you?

As for the rest of your garbage post. What do you expect me to do? Live in the street? End up in jail, because I didn't pay child support? You act as though I can just give up working and I will still have a roof over my head that isn't jail or not end up in jail.

You are a false teacher and as such will be summarily dismissed!

Aside from that, one last thing, sometimes obedience costs us everything. Look at Daniel's friends for example, who refused to worship an idol. It cost them their life, although God saved them. But in the case of many others who obeyed without relenting, they lost their lives. Even Yeshua lost his own life for the sake of obedience to God. He obeyed until death. You are too worried about your bills and not obeying God. The first step in obedience is admitting that fiat currency is evil. Then the next step is obeying. By merely just accepting that fiat currency is evil you will already be much farther than many. But you refuse to admit. So the condemnation is all the greater for you, because now you have been told plainly and you knew but you refused.
 
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Not once did I say that I hate the Torah or God's commands. That is you projecting that onto me, so check yourself! Also, I called your post garbage, because it is. You act as though people can just drop what they're doing, get rid of all their money, and live. It doesn't work like that. That is what is garbage.

You are a false teacher, have been exposed as a false teacher by more than just me, and God deals harshly with false teachers.

Living outside the financial system is not easy at all. I have worked day and night for many years to be able to make an exit outside of the financial system, and I did. And I constructed a large house to lodge other believers that are also wanting to exit out of the financial system and need assistance. So while my teaching is very blunt and truthful, there is also help from me and much advise. You are welcome to believe me, or not. Call me an idiot, or not. Call my words garbage, or not. No one is forcing you to do anything. I am merely just sharing a reality with you regarding the money of today, which is indeed evil. Take it or leave it.
 

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The year 6,000 is not a new teaching from me. Do you want me to quote all the ancient sources that teach it? Both christian and jewish and catholic sources?

And neither are my predictions my own. The scriptures says the two witnesses will bring a global drought. So that is what will happen. Period.

No.

I just want you to apologize.

I want you to admit you were completely wrong.

Not a little bit.... not an "oopsie-daisy" ----- COMPLETLEY wrong. That's the nature of repentance.

Repent.
 
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No.

I just want you to apologize.

I want you to admit you were completely wrong.

Not a little bit.... not an "oopsie-daisy" ----- COMPLETLEY wrong. That's the nature of repentance.

Repent.

Why would I apologize about teaching the year 6,000? This is not a new teaching from me.
 

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Living outside the financial system is not easy at all. I have worked day and night for many years to be able to make an exit outside of the financial system, and I did. And I constructed a large house to lodge other believers that are also wanting to exit out of the financial system and need assistance. So while my teaching is very blunt and truthful, there is also help from me and much advise. You are welcome to believe me, or not. Call me an idiot, or not. Call my words garbage, or not. No one is forcing you to do anything. I am merely just sharing a reality with you regarding the money of today, which is indeed evil. Take it or leave it.
You've just replaced money with material things, a bunker with provisions and walls that could collapse around you. This world is collapsing and we will all eventually die. It is not our bodies that we are to fear destruction, it is our spiritual life that is promised and preserved. You could die tomorrow in a car crash or a heart attack. The only security we have is in Christ. Your security on earth is an illusion that can all vanish suddenly. The worldwide quake coming can destroy all that you have built up in a flash, all wealth will disappear.
 
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You got it wrong. All your precise calculations were completely wrong.

You were wrong.

Admit it and move on.

We will know if I am right or wrong once the year 2026 comes, in the autumn. We do not know when precisely the two witnesses will appear to the public within their 1,260 days of prophesying, so it is too premature at the moment to say I have miscalculated the year 6,000. We must simply be prepared at all times and prepare for the worst.
 
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You've just replaced money with material things, a bunker with provisions and walls that could collapse around you. This world is collapsing and we will all eventually die. It is not our bodies that we are to fear destruction, it is our spiritual life that is promised and preserved. You could die tomorrow in a car crash or a heart attack. The only security we have is in Christ. Your security on earth is an illusion that can all vanish suddenly. The worldwide quake coming can destroy all that you have built up in a flash, all wealth will disappear.

Did Noah not built a material ark to withstand the flood? Did Joseph not stock up on material food before the 7 years of famine came? Having foreknowledge of prophecy and preparing beforehand is a good thing, not a bad thing. The scriptures tell us that a global famine and global financial collapse is coming, so why not stock up on some food? Unless of course you don’t really believe what the scriptures says. Suit yourself then and don’t do anything.
 

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We will know if I am right or wrong once the year 2026 comes, in the autumn. We do not know when precisely the two witnesses will appear to the public within their 1,260 days of prophesying, so it is too premature at the moment to say I have miscalculated the year 6,000. We must simply be prepared at all times and prepare for the worst.

We know you were wrong right now.

Today is the 1st day of the new moon of Nisan. In the next full moon the two witnesses of Revelation are going to emerge. In the morning after the full moon, in Jerusalem time. We have now arrived at the appointed time, which I have been announcing for many years. Now the tables will turn, and all humanity will begin to suffer the consequences of disbelief and disobedience to the commands of God. In precisely 15 days from now the two witnesses will receive the anointing, and they will begin their work. They will bring a global drought, and they will bring plagues against all humanity.
 

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According to Chuck Swindoll,
The period of the judges began after the death of Joshua in the early fourteenth century BC (Joshua 24:29) and continued until Saul was crowned king of Israel by the prophet Samuel in 1051 BC (1 Samuel 10:24). The book of Judges acts as the sequel to the book of Joshua, linked by comparable accounts of Joshua’s death (Joshua 24:29–31; Judges 2:6–9). Events within the book of Judges span the geographical breadth of the nation, happening in a variety of cities, towns, and battlefields. Scholars believe some of the judges ruled simultaneously in separate geographical regions. Attempts to calculate the exact amount of time covered in Judges are inconclusive, but generally, the book begins soon after the death of Joshua and ends in the years just before the entrance of Samuel onto the scene, a period of about three hundred years.

The contents of Judges were likely not written chronologically. The final few chapters (Judges 17–21) give an overview of the moral climate during those days and, rather than occurring after the period of the judges listed earlier in the book, they probably happened in and around the times of various judges mentioned in earlier chapters.
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Since the second half of the 20th century most scholars have agreed with Martin Noth's thesis that the books of Deuteronomy, Joshua, Judges, Samuel and Kings form parts of a single work.[39] Noth maintained that the history was written in the early Exilic period (6th century BCE) in order to demonstrate how Israel's history was worked out in accordance with the theology expressed in the book of Deuteronomy (which thus provides the name "Deuteronomistic").[40] Noth believed that this history was the work of a single author, living in the mid-6th century BCE, selecting, editing and composing from his sources to produce a coherent work.[41] Frank Moore Cross later proposed that an early version of the history was composed in Jerusalem in Josiah's time (late 7th century BCE); this first version, Dtr1, was then revised and expanded to create a second edition, that identified by Noth, and which Cross labelled Dtr2.[42]
Shalom​

Your fail to answer the question that I asked which was: -

Now here is a question that you can provide an answer to,

What is the length of time in the history of Israel that the Book of Judges covers? Does it really cover a time period of 490 years as many claim?

Perhaps I was not clear enough in the two questions that I asked.

Shalom
 

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According to the genealogies and timelines of the scriptures, the earth is less than 6,000 years old. This is easily provable. And is also believed by all Judaism, and many theologians and academics before us. If you cannot understand the basic truth of the 7,000 year plan of God with the last 1,000 years set apart, you will not understand anything else.

But I asked you a simple question concerning one small part of the chronological timeline for Israel, which you have chosen not to answer. My two question were: -

Now here is a question that you can provide an answer to,

What is the length of time in the history of Israel that the Book of Judges covers? Does it really cover a time period of 490 years as many claim?
Perhaps if you know the answer to the two questions just above, this conversation may be able to be continued.

Your response was to bad mouth me. It confirms that you have your own axe to grind and as such the understanding that you hold to is in support of your pet theories and since it did not materialise at this present point in time, I can only assume that your understanding of the End times is rather lacking.

The question I asked in two parts was a simple enough question for any person, who has studied the scriptures, to answer. The question was based on your supposed chronological expertise and as such I thought that you would be able to answer the question with ease.

My bad.
 

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For completeness, here is a list of Chronologists and their determination as to when they believe Adam was created.

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The above list was sniped from a scan of Dr Floyd Nolen Jones Book "The Chronology of the Old Testament" page 26. He acknowledges that this list is not complete. From my own research of the OT Chronology I would suggest that T. Lydiat on the above list comes closest, IMHO, as to the year BC that Adam was created.

Since there are a wide range of conclusions and since many are in error because they all disagree with each other, our friend's conclusions is also suspect.

It is a difficult subject and fraught with many pitfalls to negotiate.

Our biggest falling block is our inability to correctly interpret the Biblical texts so that we can arrive at the right conclusion.

Our friend, @cavirina. christian is just one of the many who has drawn their own conclusions and come up short on the right understanding of the End Times

Shalom
 

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For completeness, here is a list of Chronologists and their determination as to when they believe Adam was created.

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The above list was sniped from a scan of Dr Floyd Nolen Jones Book "The Chronology of the Old Testament" page 26. He acknowledges that this list is not complete. From my own research of the OT Chronology I would suggest that T. Lydiat on the above list comes closest, IMHO, as to the year BC that Adam was created.

Since there are a wide range of conclusions and since many are in error because they all disagree with each other, our friend's conclusions is also suspect.

It is a difficult subject and fraught with many pitfalls to negotiate.

Our biggest falling block is our inability to correctly interpret the Biblical texts so that we can arrive at the right conclusion.

Our friend, @cavirina. christian is just one of the many who has drawn their own conclusions and come up short on the right understanding of the End Times

Shalom
Why would one bother to calculate it anyway?

There are many more worthwhile pursuits, for example, the conversation Jesus had with the two on the road to Emmaus. Jesus tells them in their disappointment, that the things transpired in the last few days were were revealed in the scriptures. Then he shows them from the 'Moses and all the Prophets the things concerning himself' Luke 24:27

What about finding those scriptures? Which ones did he pull up? .....now that should be an interpretive challenge! ......and who would be interested in that information? I wonder!
 

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Why would one bother to calculate it anyway?

I have, but My study was more in putting the OT events into some sort of chronological order, so that I could see the overlapping of the patriarchs in the storyline. But in doing so the chronological timeline also came into reality in this study. But that was a by-product of my study. So many students of the scriptures have no understanding of, for example, when Jacob went north to escape Esau's wrath. How old was Jacob when he left and how many years did he live in and around Haran working for Laban?
 

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Did Noah not built a material ark to withstand the flood? Did Joseph not stock up on material food before the 7 years of famine came? Having foreknowledge of prophecy and preparing beforehand is a good thing, not a bad thing. The scriptures tell us that a global famine and global financial collapse is coming, so why not stock up on some food? Unless of course you don’t really believe what the scriptures says. Suit yourself then and don’t do anything.
God verbally told Noah to build an Ark.
God told Joseph through Pharoah's dream about the famine.
Evidently you've been tuned to a different channel of communication with God concerning the Two Witnesses.
Caution: Likely everyone around you knows you have provisions and the ones who don't will be breaking down your door to get them and violently. You are putting your faith in your possessions.
 
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God verbally told Noah to build an Ark.
God told Joseph through Pharoah's dream about the famine.
Evidently you've been tuned to a different channel of communication with God concerning the Two Witnesses.
Caution: Likely everyone around you knows you have provisions and the ones who don't will be breaking down your door to get them and violently. You are putting your faith in your possessions.

God has warned us through the scriptures. Their warning is our warning. If God didn't want us to be warned, he wouldn't have given us prophecy. We know a global drought and global financial is coming. So the logical conclusion is to stock up on food and water.
 
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For completeness, here is a list of Chronologists and their determination as to when they believe Adam was created.

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The above list was sniped from a scan of Dr Floyd Nolen Jones Book "The Chronology of the Old Testament" page 26. He acknowledges that this list is not complete. From my own research of the OT Chronology I would suggest that T. Lydiat on the above list comes closest, IMHO, as to the year BC that Adam was created.

Since there are a wide range of conclusions and since many are in error because they all disagree with each other, our friend's conclusions is also suspect.

It is a difficult subject and fraught with many pitfalls to negotiate.

Our biggest falling block is our inability to correctly interpret the Biblical texts so that we can arrive at the right conclusion.

Our friend, @cavirina. christian is just one of the many who has drawn their own conclusions and come up short on the right understanding of the End Times

Shalom

You can reference my chronology here, 7,000 Year Timeline of the Earth - Wisdom of God

Becke has the correct year, 3974 BC for Adam.

In summary, the year of the anointing of Yeshua was the year 4,000 precisely. If you know when he was anointed, then you know when he returns, because his return is precisely 2,000 years from his anointing. They are both Yovel years.
 

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God has warned us through the scriptures. Their warning is our warning. If God didn't want us to be warned, he wouldn't have given us prophecy. We know a global drought and global financial is coming. So the logical conclusion is to stock up on food and water.
Follow your heart!