The Two Witnesses Will Appear in the Next New Moon

[Jay Ross]

Let us reason step by step. Step one. Do you believe the earth is billions of years old, or less than 6,000 years old?

To both question, "Is the earth billions of years old?" my answer is No. "Is the earth less than 6,000 years old?" my answer is No.

Now what has this to do with anyone's understanding? It is a red herring and leads one into the Line upon Line, Precept upon Precept method of studying the scriptures which results in one falling backwards.

Isaiah 28: - . . . .​

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9 "Whom will he teach knowledge?​

And whom will he make to understand the message?​

Those just weaned from milk?​

Those just drawn from the breasts?​

10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept,​

Line upon line, line upon line,​

Here a little, there a little."​

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11 For with stammering lips and another tongue​

He will speak to this people,​

12 To whom He said, "This is the rest with which​

You may cause the weary to rest,"​

And, "This is the refreshing";​

Yet they would not hear. ​

13 But the word of the Lord was to them,​

"Precept upon precept, precept upon precept,​

Line upon line, line upon line,​

Here a little, there a little,"​

That they might go and fall backward, and be broken​

And snared and caught.​

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. . . . .​

Now here is a question that you can provide an answer to,

What is the length of time in the history of Israel that the Book of Judges covers? Does it really cover a time period of 490 years as many claim?​

Perhaps if you know the answer to the two questions just above, this conversation may be able to be continued.

If you do not know the answer to these two questions, then your goose is already cooked and you will have confirmed many of the readers' conclusions are, with respect to your learning.

Shalom

 

[Illuminator]

We are now in the final new moon before the two witnesses of Revelation appear. They will appear in the next new moon, the one of Nisan. They will appear in the full moon of Nisan, on the 15th day of Nisan. Which will be in April, in Holy Week.

This was posted Feb. 22. Today is May 17. That's 85 days.
Passover began April 6. That's 41 days ago.
So the two witnesses, according to your calculations, have been on earth for the past 6 weeks?

 

[Illuminator]

To both question, "Is the earth billions of years old?" my answer is No. "Is the earth less than 6,000 years old?" my answer is No.

Now what has this to do with anyone's understanding? It is a red herring and leads one into the Line upon Line, Precept upon Precept method of studying the scriptures which results in one falling backwards.

Isaiah 28: - . . . .​

​

9 "Whom will he teach knowledge?​

And whom will he make to understand the message?​

Those just weaned from milk?​

Those just drawn from the breasts?​

10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept,​

Line upon line, line upon line,​

Here a little, there a little."​

​

11 For with stammering lips and another tongue​

He will speak to this people,​

12 To whom He said, "This is the rest with which​

You may cause the weary to rest,"​

And, "This is the refreshing";​

Yet they would not hear. ​

13 But the word of the Lord was to them,​

"Precept upon precept, precept upon precept,​

Line upon line, line upon line,​

Here a little, there a little,"​

That they might go and fall backward, and be broken​

And snared and caught.​

​

. . . . .​

Now here is a question that you can provide an answer to,

What is the length of time in the history of Israel that the Book of Judges covers? Does it really cover a time period of 490 years as many claim?​

Perhaps if you know the answer to the two questions just above, this conversation may be able to be continued.

If you do not know the answer to these two questions, then your goose is already cooked and you will have confirmed many of the readers' conclusions are, with respect to your learning.

Shalom

According to Chuck Swindoll,
The period of the judges began after the death of Joshua in the early fourteenth century BC (Joshua 24:29) and continued until Saul was crowned king of Israel by the prophet Samuel in 1051 BC (1 Samuel 10:24). The book of Judges acts as the sequel to the book of Joshua, linked by comparable accounts of Joshua’s death (Joshua 24:29–31; Judges 2:6–9). Events within the book of Judges span the geographical breadth of the nation, happening in a variety of cities, towns, and battlefields. Scholars believe some of the judges ruled simultaneously in separate geographical regions. Attempts to calculate the exact amount of time covered in Judges are inconclusive, but generally, the book begins soon after the death of Joshua and ends in the years just before the entrance of Samuel onto the scene, a period of about three hundred years.

The contents of Judges were likely not written chronologically. The final few chapters (Judges 17–21) give an overview of the moral climate during those days and, rather than occurring after the period of the judges listed earlier in the book, they probably happened in and around the times of various judges mentioned in earlier chapters.
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Since the second half of the 20th century most scholars have agreed with Martin Noth's thesis that the books of Deuteronomy, Joshua, Judges, Samuel and Kings form parts of a single work.[39] Noth maintained that the history was written in the early Exilic period (6th century BCE) in order to demonstrate how Israel's history was worked out in accordance with the theology expressed in the book of Deuteronomy (which thus provides the name "Deuteronomistic").[40] Noth believed that this history was the work of a single author, living in the mid-6th century BCE, selecting, editing and composing from his sources to produce a coherent work.[41] Frank Moore Cross later proposed that an early version of the history was composed in Jerusalem in Josiah's time (late 7th century BCE); this first version, Dtr1, was then revised and expanded to create a second edition, that identified by Noth, and which Cross labelled Dtr2.[42]​

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Shalom​

 

[gaviria.christian]

Absolutely.
But can we keep the Law perfectly? Yes or no?
Can you earn your way to heaven based on your performance keeping the Law? Yes or no?

Perfect obedience to the Torah is indeed possible once a man truly receives the anointing, under the new covenant of Yeshua, which cuts away sin inwardly. Yet even before the anointing was granted under the new covenant, the scriptures tell us of men that were perfect, like Noah, who was perfect in his generation, which is why God saved him.

As such, no one "earns" salvation, because all have sinned and deserve to die, so it is by mercy and favor that we are saved, and through that mercy and favor, we must then obey perfectly, otherwise there is no mercy and favor, but destruction. All in all, we must obey, or be destroyed. Obedience is what God has always required from all humanity, from the very beginning of creation.

 

[gaviria.christian]

To both question, "Is the earth billions of years old?" my answer is No. "Is the earth less than 6,000 years old?" my answer is No.

Now what has this to do with anyone's understanding? It is a red herring and leads one into the Line upon Line, Precept upon Precept method of studying the scriptures which results in one falling backwards.

Isaiah 28: - . . . .​

​

9 "Whom will he teach knowledge?​

And whom will he make to understand the message?​

Those just weaned from milk?​

Those just drawn from the breasts?​

10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept,​

Line upon line, line upon line,​

Here a little, there a little."​

​

11 For with stammering lips and another tongue​

He will speak to this people,​

12 To whom He said, "This is the rest with which​

You may cause the weary to rest,"​

And, "This is the refreshing";​

Yet they would not hear. ​

13 But the word of the Lord was to them,​

"Precept upon precept, precept upon precept,​

Line upon line, line upon line,​

Here a little, there a little,"​

That they might go and fall backward, and be broken​

And snared and caught.​

​

. . . . .​

Now here is a question that you can provide an answer to,

What is the length of time in the history of Israel that the Book of Judges covers? Does it really cover a time period of 490 years as many claim?​

Perhaps if you know the answer to the two questions just above, this conversation may be able to be continued.

If you do not know the answer to these two questions, then your goose is already cooked and you will have confirmed many of the readers' conclusions are, with respect to your learning.

Shalom

According to the genealogies and timelines of the scriptures, the earth is less than 6,000 years old. This is easily provable. And is also believed by all judaism, and many theologians and academics before us. If you cannot understand the basic truth of the 7,000 year plan of God with the last 1,000 years set apart, you will not understand anything else.

 

[gaviria.christian]

This was posted Feb. 22. Today is May 17. That's 85 days.
Passover began April 6. That's 41 days ago.
So the two witnesses, according to your calculations, have been on earth for the past 6 weeks?

When Yeshua was first anointed, he fasted for 40 days and did not initially appear to the public, within the 3 and 1/2 years that he was anointed. We simply do not know when exactly the two witnesses will appear publicly to the world within their 3 and 1/2 years of prophesying. Perhaps a few days after. Perhaps a few weeks after. Perhaps a few months after. Perhaps a few years after. No one knows. We simply must be ready at all times, especially now, now that we are approaching the year 6,000 and also 2,000 years since the anointing of Yeshua around 26 AD. Being incredulous and refusing to obey the Torah is the worst place to be in right now in this final hour.

 

[Naomanos]

When Yeshua was first anointed, he fasted for 40 days and did not initially appear to the public, within the 3 and 1/2 years that he was anointed. We simply do not know when exactly the two witnesses will appear publicly to the world within their 3 and 1/2 years of prophesying. Perhaps a few days after. Perhaps a few weeks after. Perhaps a few months after. Perhaps a few years after. No one knows. We simply must be ready at all times, especially now, now that we are approaching the year 6,000 and also 2,000 years since the anointing of Yeshua around 26 AD. Being incredulous and refusing to obey the Torah is the worst place to be in right now in this final hour.

As Christians, we do not have to follow the Torah. We are not Israel. You got the dates wrong, just as every other date setter has. Just admit it and move on.

 

[gaviria.christian]

As Christians, we do not have to follow the Torah. We are not Israel. You got the dates wrong, just as every other date setter has. Just admit it and move on.

We do have to follow the Torah. "Do not murder" is not just for Israel, but for all humanity. This is why Paul said,

Now we know that whatever the Torah says it speaks to those who are under the Torah, so that every mouth may be stopped, and the whole world may be held accountable to God.
Romans 3:19

Israel was merely just meant to be an example to all nations of a nation that obeys the commands of God. But they did not obey, and look what happened to them. What do you think will happen to the Gentiles who refuse to obey the commands of God? Much worse. You people don't get it.

 

[Naomanos]

We do have to follow the Torah. "Do not murder" is not just for Israel, but for all humanity. This is why Paul said,

Now we know that whatever the Torah says it speaks to those who are under the Torah, so that every mouth may be stopped, and the whole world may be held accountable to God.
Romans 3:19

Israel was merely just meant to be an example to all nations of a nation that obeys the commands of God. But they did not obey, and look what happened to them. What do you think will happen to the Gentiles who refuse to obey the commands of God? Much worse. You people don't get it.

We got it entirely. Yes, nine of the ten commandments are in effect. We are not required to observe the Sabbath as the Jews are required. You miss the part where it states "to those under the Torah." We are not under the Torah.

 

[Mr E]

We do have to follow the Torah. "Do not murder" is not just for Israel, but for all humanity. This is why Paul said,

Now we know that whatever the Torah says it speaks to those who are under the Torah, so that every mouth may be stopped, and the whole world may be held accountable to God.
Romans 3:19

Israel was merely just meant to be an example to all nations of a nation that obeys the commands of God. But they did not obey, and look what happened to them. What do you think will happen to the Gentiles who refuse to obey the commands of God? Much worse. You people don't get it.

And if you can't trust gaviria...... who can you trust?

 

[gaviria.christian]

We got it entirely. Yes, nine of the ten commandments are in effect. We are not required to observe the Sabbath as the Jews are required. You miss the part where it states "to those under the Torah." We are not under the Torah.

The Torah is more than just 10 commandments. The Torah also commands, "a man shall not dress as a woman", which must also be obeyed. But you people have not understood this. Which is why some of your churches are allowing drag queens to perform in your churches, because you have discarded the Torah entirely and therefore do not know what God actually commands. Despicable.

 

[Naomanos]

Despicable.

Well, look at that, same thing I was thinking about you! Especially when you say we aren't supposed to have money. Yep, that'll go over real well when I tell the landlord that I cannot pay him because well, this guy on the internet said I cannot make money. It will go over really well when I tell the judge in family court that I cannot pay my child support because of gavira.chistian says that I cannot have money.

God expects us to work and provide for our families. What's despicable is your teaching, which isn't even correct. That's okay, God holds the teachers to a much higher standard and one day you will find that out.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Perfect obedience to the Torah is indeed possible once a man truly receives the anointing, under the new covenant of Yeshua, which cuts away sin inwardly. Yet even before the anointing was granted under the new covenant, the scriptures tell us of men that were perfect, like Noah, who was perfect in his generation, which is why God saved him.

As such, no one "earns" salvation, because all have sinned and deserve to die, so it is by mercy and favor that we are saved, and through that mercy and favor, we must then obey perfectly, otherwise there is no mercy and favor, but destruction. All in all, we must obey, or be destroyed. Obedience is what God has always required from all humanity, from the very beginning of creation.

If you think you are perfectly keeping the law while treating others with your condemning remarks, well you are deceiving yourself.
No one has ever been perfect except Jesus.
Do you even know what good fruit is? Examine yourself to see how perfect you are against these qualities:
love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control.
God grows every one of these godly qualities in every Christian. Some may display a few and lack in others. Some may be quite mature in all, but still we are not perfect and most of us are a work in progress, bearing some fruit but not an abundance. A good tree bears good fruit!

Even your whole attitude about preparing for the Great Tribulation is worldly in itself, in that your paranoid repulsiveness towards conforming to this worldly system run by " fiat money" has been merely replaced with other material possessions constructing your own fortress. Nebuchchadnezzar built Babylon too but his walls did not protect him. His own thoughts took him down. For someone who thinks he is living perfectly, your numerous errors shows how imperfect you are.

 

[gaviria.christian]

Well, look at that, same thing I was thinking about you! Especially when you say we aren't supposed to have money. Yep, that'll go over real well when I tell the landlord that I cannot pay him because well, this guy on the internet said I cannot make money. It will go over really well when I tell the judge in family court that I cannot pay my child support because of gavira.chistian says that I cannot have money.

God expects us to work and provide for our families. What's despicable is your teaching, which isn't even correct. That's okay, God holds the teachers to a much higher standard and one day you will find that out.

People who are not in obedience always hate those who are. That is why Cain killed Abel. So it is not a surprise that you find me despicable for telling you to obey the commands of God in the Torah.

As such, you are also too selfish to realize that yours and everyone else's acceptance of fiat currency as money is what keeps it circulating, which in turn impoverishes the world, because its value is false and is therefore volatile and can hyperinflate, unlike gold money whose value is based on weight. It is the communal acceptance of everyone that keeps fiat currency circulating, and so forces everyone to have to keep accepting it as money. You are in fact the reason people in Venezuela were eating out of garbages, because of the hyperinflation of fiat currency there, because you and everyone else refuses to give it up. If everyone actually realized how evil this form of money is and refused to accept it as money and began using gold or silver or any commodity to buy and sell, it would no longer circulate. But because you people prefer convenience over standing up for righteousness, it is therefore you people that keep it circulating. Which is why ultimately anyone who figuratively receives the mark of the beast deserves to be condemned for it.

 

[gaviria.christian]

If you think you are perfectly keeping the law while treating others with your condemning remarks, well you are deceiving yourself.
No one has ever been perfect except Jesus.
Do you even know what good fruit is? Examine yourself to see how perfect you are against these qualities:
love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control.
God grows every one of these godly qualities in every Christian. Some may display a few and lack in others. Some may be quite mature in all, but still we are not perfect and most of us are a work in progress, bearing some fruit but not an abundance. A good tree bears good fruit!

Even your whole attitude about preparing for the Great Tribulation is worldly in itself, in that your paranoid repulsiveness towards conforming to this worldly system run by " fiat money" has been merely replaced with other material possessions constructing your own fortress. Nebuchchadnezzar built Babylon too but his walls did not protect him. His own thoughts took him down. For someone who thinks he is living perfectly, your numerous errors shows how imperfect you are.

God wants obedience to his commands in the Torah. His commands teach us how to love others and ourselves and God. Without obedience it is impossible to truly love. That is why the Torah is summarized with love. If you steal, then do you not love your neighbor. If you murder, then you do not love your neighbor. If you try to change your gender, then you do not love yourself because you are denaturing your body.

 

[Mr E]

People who are not in obedience always hate those who are. That is why Cain killed Abel. So it is not a surprise that you find me despicable for telling you to obey the commands of God in the Torah.

As such, you are also too selfish to realize that yours and everyone else's acceptance of fiat currency as money is what keeps it circulating, which in turn impoverishes the world, because its value is false and is therefore volatile and can hyperinflate, unlike gold money whose value is based on weight. It is the communal acceptance of everyone that keeps fiat currency circulating, and so forces everyone to have to keep accepting it as money. You are in fact the reason people in Venezuela were eating out of garbages, because of the hyperinflation of fiat currency there, because you and everyone else refuses to give it up. If everyone actually realized how evil this form of money is and refused to accept it as money and began using gold or silver or any commodity to buy and sell, it would no longer circulate. But because you people prefer convenience over standing up for righteousness, it is therefore you people that keep it circulating. Which is why ultimately anyone who figuratively receives the mark of the beast deserves to be condemned for it.

Knowing now, what everyone knows about 'your calculations' and 'your predictions' and 'your theology' ---- would YOU believe anything you say?

No one can. Credibility.... once gone, it's gone forever.

 

[Naomanos]

People who are not in obedience always hate those who are. That is why Cain killed Abel. So it is not a surprise that you find me despicable for telling you to obey the commands of God in the Torah.

You called me despicable first. What does that say about you?

As for the rest of your garbage post. What do you expect me to do? Live in the street? End up in jail, because I didn't pay child support? You act as though I can just give up working and I will still have a roof over my head that isn't jail or not end up in jail.

You are a false teacher and as such will be summarily dismissed!

 

[gaviria.christian]

Knowing now, what everyone knows about 'your calculations' and 'your predictions' and 'your theology' ---- would YOU believe anything you say?

No one can. Credibility.... once gone, it's gone forever.

The year 6,000 is not a new teaching from me. Do you want me to quote all the ancient sources that teach it? Both christian and jewish and catholic sources?

And neither are my predictions my own. The scriptures says the two witnesses will bring a global drought. So that is what will happen. Period.

 

[gaviria.christian]

You called me despicable first. What does that say about you?

As for the rest of your garbage post. What do you expect me to do? Live in the street? End up in jail, because I didn't pay child support? You act as though I can just give up working and I will still have a roof over my head that isn't jail or not end up in jail.

You are a false teacher and as such will be summarily dismissed!

Anyone who discards the Torah is despicable. Even the proverbs say that anyone who stops listening to the Torah even his prayer is an abomination to God. In these past few posts you have been indicating that we do not need to obey the Torah, so, if the shoe fits you then it fits you.

As far as my "garbage" post goes, what I am telling you regarding fiat currency is the most important piece of information regarding the mark of the beast, because the prophecy in Revelation was actually figuratively talking about a forbidden form of money all humanity would adopt to buy and sell, which today is paper money and fiat currency. Which are false weights. Even the founding fathers of the US were completely against paper money, and I can show many quotes from them talking about this subject. Again, this isn't a new teaching from me either. But of course, because you people hate the Torah and hate obedience to the commands of God then you also hate this teaching and call it "garbage". You are like swine trampling pearls. So be it. Soon enough you will see I was right.

I also don't particularly need to be here arguing with you people. But once in a while I poke into this forum to see what you people are babbling about.

 

[Naomanos]

But of course, because you people hate the Torah and hate obedience to the commands of God then you also hate this teaching and call it "garbage"

Not once did I say that I hate the Torah or God's commands. That is you projecting that onto me, so check yourself! Also, I called your post garbage, because it is. You act as though people can just drop what they're doing, get rid of all their money, and live. It doesn't work like that. That is what is garbage.

You are a false teacher, have been exposed as a false teacher by more than just me, and God deals harshly with false teachers.