22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

[Truther]

You deny His full, complete, perfect New Testament.

You got nothing.

You drank the Millenial reign(new covenant) or the Holy Ghost(part of God)?

I think the covenant qualifies us for the Holy Ghost.

We don't drink it.

 

[Truther]

Meanwhile, about those promises...

In God's New Will and Testament, all covenants and promises are fulfilled only in Christ, and in those who are in Christ.

The OT covenants and promises are the promissory clauses of God's Old Will and Testament, and they are both revoked and fulfilled in the promissory clauses of His New Will and Testament, written in the Blood of His Son Jesus Christ, the Divine Testator, coming into full force and effect upon His death.

If you have made your own Will and Testament, you will see that the very first clause states the following or its equivalent:

"I HEREBY REVOKE all former Wills and other testamentary dispositions by me at any time therefore made and declare this to be my Last Will and Testament."

This means that all former wills and testaments, and all of their promissory clauses in their entirety, are completely null and void. In their place, the promissory clauses of the current last new will and testament are the only ones in force and effect. Any promissory clause which appeared in the old will and testament, but does not appear in the new will and testament, is irrevocably null and void unless yet another new will and testament is made which re-includes it.

Thus we see:

Hebrews 9
15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

Hebrews 10
9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

Hebrews 8
13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

God`s New Will and Testament is everlasting:

Hebrews 13
20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant.

There is none greater.

We see other new promissory clauses of the New Will and Testament in:

Matthew 21:33-45
In this parable, the son, who is identified as the heir, typifies Christ.

Galatians 3:16
Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

2 Corinthians 1:20
For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.

Hebrews 1:1,2
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

In them, we see that the Heir and Beneficiary is Christ alone, that all of the promises are affirmed and confirmed in Him, and that He is Heir of all things. All includes the OT land promises, the restoration promises, the blessings promises, and all else. There are no exceptions.

If you deny that God has appointed His Son alone as heir of all things, you declare God to be a liar.

His New Will and Testament contains even better promises:

Hebrews 8
6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

Such as:

Hebrews 11
16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

Additional promissory clauses in...:

Romans 8:16-17
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

Galatians 3:29
And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

...declare that we who are in Christ are joint heirs with Him.

But notice:

There are no promissory clauses for anyone, Jew or Gentile...

Who is not in Christ.

Every verse is spot on.

Question: why do lame folks leave your services lame?

Blind?

Possesed/oppressed?

Mentally retarded?

I thought you had it all?

Apparently not.

Because we are not in the Millennial reign yet. It's that simple.

Count on it, it will all happen when Jesus is reigning on earth.

Until then, hunker down.

 

[WPM]

I kinda think of myself these days as the "Tucker Carlson" of Christendom.

LOL. Yea right! You the king of your own castle in your own mind.

You do not seem able to approach the sacred text with an objective analyze. You are totally indoctrinated with what the United Pentecostal Church has taught you. You seem incapable of thinking outside of that. You are Mr Avoidance. You cannot answer simple questions, address strong explicit Scriptures that expose what you have been taught or address counter-arguments. You do not believe in basic elementary corroboration.

 

[Truther]

Isaiah 11:9

They will not hurt or destroy in all My holy mountain,
For the earth will be full of the knowledge of the Lord
As the waters cover the sea.

Not yet.

 

[Truther]

Isaiah 11:6

And the wolf will dwell with the lamb,
And the leopard will lie down with the young goat,
And the calf and the young lion and the fatling together;
And a little boy will lead them.

Not yet

 

[Truther]

“No longer will there be in it an infant who lives but a few days,
Or an old man who does not live out his days;
For the youth will die at the age of one hundred
And the one who does not reach the age of one hundred
Will be thought accursed.

Not yet

 

[WPM]

The Holy Ghost introduced it in Acts 2, but the fullness of the covenant is nowhere near what it shall be....

7 So that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ:

8 Who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.




9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.

10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

So, the pouring out of the Spirit at Pentecost is the intro of the new covenant?

 

[WPM]

“No longer will there be in it an infant who lives but a few days,
Or an old man who does not live out his days;
For the youth will die at the age of one hundred
And the one who does not reach the age of one hundred
Will be thought accursed.

Not yet

But that is speaking of the NHNE earth. When does the NHNE arrive in your opinion - before or after the millennium?

 

[Truther]

Matthew 19:28 - And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Not yet

 

[Truther]

Zechariah 8:3 - Thus saith the LORD; I am returned unto Zion, and will dwell in the midst of Jerusalem: and Jerusalem shall be called a city of truth; and the mountain of the LORD of hosts the holy mountain.

Zechariah 14:16 - And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Revelation 5:10 - And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.


Not yet

 

[WPM]

Every verse is spot on.

Question: why do lame folks leave your services lame?

Blind?

Possesed/oppressed?

Mentally retarded?

I thought you had it all?

Apparently not.

Because we are not in the Millennial reign yet. It's that simple.

Count on it, it will all happen when Jesus is reigning on earth.

Until then, hunker down.

God has been saving, healing and delivering the captive for 2000 years. Open your eyes. Read your Bible. Look at Church history.

The victory of the cross was the key to spoiling Satan's power and kingdom. It stripped him of his enormous unchallenged global influence, causing him to be dethroned in untold millions of heathen lives and ensured he was curtailed in countless Gentile villages, towns and cities throughout the world through the faithful preaching of the Word of God.

Christ won the right to rule over His enemies at the right hand of majesty through His sinless life, His atoning death and His victorious resurrection. You reject this. You oppose this. You render the cross meaningless, Christ powerless and His reign fictional. Premil presents a BIG devil and a small go

• Premil has a big devil and a small God.
• Premil has a big devil and an impotent powerless Church.

The defeated theology that your church has indoctrinated you with should be rejected.

 

[Truther]

LOL. Yea right! You the king of your own castle in your own mind.

You do not seem able to approach the sacred text with an objective analyze. You are totally indoctrinated with what the United Pentecostal Church has taught you. You seem incapable of thinking outside of that. Your are Mr Avoidance. You cannot answer simple questions, address strong explicit Scriptures that expose what you have been taught or address counter-arguments. You do not believe in basic elementary corroboration.

I broke from the UPC.

They would faint in a debate with me about some of their doctrines.

I am way above their level of Biblical understanding.

They are spot on about Acts 2:38 etc, though.

They will baptize you for the remission of your sins and pray you through the Holy Ghost.

They are the next best thing to the 1st century truth you will find.

 

[Truther]

God has been saving, healing and delivering the captive for 2000 years. Open your eyes. Read your Bible. Look at Church history.

The victory of the cross was the key to spoiling Satan's power and kingdom. It stripped him of his enormous unchallenged global influence, caused him to be dethroned in untold millions of heathen lives and ensured he was curtailed in countless Gentile villages, towns and cities throughout the world through the faithful preaching of the Word of God.

Christ won the right to rule over His enemies at the right hand of majesty through His sinless life, His atoning death and His victorious resurrection. You reject this. You oppose this. You render the cross meaningless, Christ powerless and His reign fictional. Premil presents a BIG devil and a small go

• Premil has a big devil and a small God.
• Premil has a big devil and an impotent powerless Church.

The defeated theology that your church has indoctrinated you with should be rejected.

Don't blow smoke. You know good and well the blind are rarely healed etc.

You are not coming up short though, because you only use the gifts of the Spirit in part, and you only see the kingdom through a glass darkly.

It is not our time to shine yet.

 

[Truther]

But that is speaking of the NHNE earth. When does the NHNE arrive in your opinion - before or after the millennium?

“No longer will there be in it an infant who lives but a few days,
Or an old man who does not live out his days;
For the youth will die at the age of one hundred
And the one who does not reach the age of one hundred
Will be thought accursed.

Old earth.

 

[Truther]

NHNE after the Millennium.

 

[covenantee]

Every verse is spot on.

Question: why do lame folks leave your services lame?

Blind?

Possesed/oppressed?

Mentally retarded?

I thought you had it all?

Apparently not.

Because we are not in the Millennial reign yet. It's that simple.

Count on it, it will all happen when Jesus is reigning on earth.

Until then, hunker down.

Hunker all you want. I unhunkered long ago.


1 Corinthians 15:57
But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

1 John 5:4
For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

Romans 8
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.

 

[WPM]

Don't blow smoke. You know good and well the blind are rarely healed etc.

You are not coming up short though, because you only use the gifts of the Spirit in part, and you only see the kingdom through a glass darkly.

It is not our time to shine yet.

Exactly, it is in part but it will be perfect when Jesus comes, not your sin-cursed goat-infested death-blighted sham where the wicked overrun your supposed future millennium after Jesus has comes to deliver us from the bondage of corruption.

 

[WPM]

NHNE after the Millennium.

Why then are you applying you have a new earth passages to your imaginary future sin-cursed goat-infested death-blighted millennium?

 

[Truther]

The new Jerusalem City is made already.

The spirits of the dead saints are there already.

When a saint dies, they instantly see it.

 

[Truther]

Exactly, it is in part but it will be perfect when Jesus comes, not your sin-cursed goat-infested death-blighted sham where the wicked overrun your supposed future millennium after Jesus has comes to deliver us from the bondage of corruption.

Perfection is not after the end of the world, but during the Millennial reign.

That is when the gifts cease because they are partial.