22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

[Truther]

Here's another passage proving faith/believing comes before being baptized in water, because it is not water baptism that saves.

Acts 16:14-15 (KJV) And a certain woman named Lydia, a seller of purple, of the city of Thyatira, which worshipped God, heard us: whose heart the Lord opened, that she attended unto the things which were spoken of Paul. And when she was baptized, and her household, she besought us, saying, If ye have judged me to be faithful to the Lord, come into my house, and abide there. And she constrained us.

Your teaching salvation through physical water is a contradictory train-wreck!

20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,


What we have here is a failure to communicate.

 

[Truth7t7]

They are more honest than the RCC daughters(trins) that hate water baptism, mocking(by debunking) Mark16:16, Acts 2:38, 8:16 and 19:5.

I have been water baptized immersed, the Holy Ghost indwells within me

 

[Truther]

I have been water baptized immersed, the Holy Ghost indwells within me

Was the name of Jesus invoked over you during your baptism?

If not, were the 3 titles invoked instead?

The Holy Ghost wants to lead folks to water baptism in the name of Jesus for the remission of their sins.

 

[WPM]

OP Note

Can we get this thread back to the topic at hand?

No more heresy about baptismal regeneration.

 

[covenantee]

The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God ..

Period.

No saved, unsaved, then resaved.

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[Truther]

OP Note

Can we get this thread back to the topic at hand?

No more heresy about baptismal regeneration.

Okay, but one more thing....

Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost


38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.


Same author but nothing to do with each other?

 

[Truther]

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....wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

21 The like figure whereunto even (WATER) baptism doth also now save us....

Get it?

 

[WPM]

Okay, but one more thing....

Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost


38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.


Same author but nothing to do with each other?

I have no interest in your error. Take it somewhere else.

 

[rwb]

The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God ..

Now you know.

I see you can't explain how water baptism cleanses our conscience! Of course you cannot, but you still force contradiction into the Word of God. You need to go and learn before attempting to teach others!!!

 

[rwb]

I see.

You think Rev 21 happens before Rev 3.

Mkay.

It's abundantly clear for those with understanding of Scripture that The Revelation of Christ written by John is NOT in chronological order!

 

[rwb]

16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.


As per...

See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?

37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.

39 And when they were come up out of the water,...

He desired to be baptized because he already believed in Christ after hearing the Word from Philip. The passage clearly proves this FACT!

 

[Truth7t7]

Was the name of Jesus invoked over you during your baptism?

If not, were the 3 titles invoked instead?

The Holy Ghost wants to lead folks to water baptism in the name of Jesus for the remission of their sins.

Wikipedia: Oneness Pentecostalism (also known as Apostolic, Jesus' Name Pentecostalism, or the Jesus Only movement)

In 1913, Canadian Pentecostal Robert T. McAlister preached at a Pentecostal camp meeting in Los Angeles that the "Jesus only" baptismal formula found in Acts 2:38 was to be preferred over the three-part formula "Father, Son, and Holy Ghost" found in Matthew 28:19, leading to a group to rebaptize themselves and form a new Pentecostal movement.

 

[rwb]

....wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

21 The like figure whereunto even (WATER) baptism doth also now save us....

Get it?

What I get very clearly is that your biblical ignorance is abundant! And you have no trouble forcing contradiction into God's Word.

 

[rwb]

I have no interest in your error. Take it somewhere else.

My sentiments exactly!

 

[Truth7t7]

It's abundantly clear for those with understanding of Scripture that The Revelation of Christ written by John is NOT in chronological order!

I Fully Agree, the Revelation is seen in "Parallel" readings of same events, not chronologically as dispensationalism falsely teaches

Example: The Final judgement is seen in Revelation 11:18 & Revelation 20:11-15

 

[rwb]

I have no interest in your error. Take it somewhere else.

My sentiments exactly!

 

[rwb]

20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,


What we have here is a failure to communicate.

Exactly! Saved by water because they were safely out of the water in the Ark! This does not say they were saved IN or WITH water as you imagine! What we have here is one without knowledge of Scripture trying to teach others what you yourself do not know!

 

[St. Joseph]

The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God ..

You will go to heaven if youve not been baptized. As long as have been born again is all thats needed.

 

[WPM]

No, replacement theology is this....denying future national Israel their promise and claiming it as your exclusive promise.

Saying that God changed His mind and gave the promise to you.

Minor RT is thinking the entirety of the passage in Jer 31 is "spiritually" about them and "spirit talk", which the majority of Christendom thinks..

Has the new covenant been introduced, in your opinion? If so when? If not, when is it introduced?

 

[Truth7t7]

You will go to heaven if youve not been baptized. As long as have been born again is all thats needed.

I Agree, no water baptism seen below

Ephesians 1:13KJV
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,