22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

[WPM]

Jesus never told a metaphor, ever.

That is like saying Jesus told a lie.

Metaphors are a modern description for white lies and open ended meanings.

If I answered you with metaphors you would flip out on me.

1. When Jesus said He was a door in John 10:9, did mean he was a wooden door?
2. When He said He was the Vine in John 15:1, did that mean that he was a tree?
3. When He said He was a Lamb in Revelation 13:8, did that mean that he was a literal sheep?
4. When He said He was a Lion in Revelation 5:5, did that mean that he was a literal big cat?
5. When He said He was bread in John 6:35 did that mean that he was a literal food?

 

[Truther]

Democrat? LOL!!! You keep digging your hole deeper and deeper. You are making a complete fool of yourself by misrepresenting me and my beliefs. You are as clueless as they come.

Have a little fun. When I hear "adults in the room" I hear CNN...LOL

 

[WPM]

A parable is not possibly a historic event?

None of them.

All made up, fictitious imaginary stories?

They relate to real people, real events and real truths. Hello!

 

[WPM]

Have a little fun. When I hear "adults in the room" I hear CNN...LOL

I would stop digging on the beach. The hole you are digging is about to collapse on you.

 

[WPM]

So, do you think God abandoned His promise to the future descendants of Israel and Judah and gave them to you?

What promises exactly?

 

[Truther]

1. When Jesus said He was a door in John 10:9, did mean he was a wooden door?
2. When He said He was the Vine in John 15:1, did that mean that he was a tree?
3. When He said He was a Lamb in Rev 13:8, did that mean that he was a literal sheep?
4. When He said He was a Lion in Revelation 5:5, did that mean that he was a literal big cat?
5. When He said He was bread in John 6:35 did that mean that he was a literal food?

Ooooh.

Jesus was NOT the lamb?

Jesus was NOT a sheep led to slaughter?

Are all doors wood, none flesh?

Jesus is NOT the Lion of Judah?

Jesus cannot be taken into in the body like bread?

One more question....ever see a sign?

 

[Truther]

What promises exactly?

This....


31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.


...is this for you or future national Israel?

Answer carefully.

 

[WPM]

Ooooh.

Jesus was NOT the lamb?

Jesus was NOT a sheep led to slaughter?

Are all doors wood, none flesh?

Jesus is NOT the Lion of Judah?

Jesus cannot be taken into in the body like bread?

One more question....ever see a sign?

Exactly. These are metaphors. Only the enlightened grasp them. Only the ignorant deny them. Metaphors are figurative expressions that mean something different from their literal definition.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

A parable is not possibly a historic event?

Not when it comes to Jesus's parables. They were made up stories that related to real things and/or to real events which could be past, present and/or future.

None of them.

All made up, fictitious imaginary stories?

That's what a parable is, you silly goose. They are made up stories that portray reality and spiritual truth in a way that we can understand. Such as the parables Jesus told about the kingdom of heaven.

 

[Truther]

They relate to real people, real events and real truths. Hello!

No, are they fictitious stories or historic events?

 

[Truther]

Not when it comes to Jesus's parables. They were made up stories that related to real things and/or to real events which could be past, present and/or future.


That's what a parable is, you silly goose. They are made up stories that portray reality and spiritual truth in a way that we can understand. Such as the parables Jesus told about the kingdom of heaven.

A sower never sowed in history...?

 

[Truther]

Exactly. These are metaphors. Only the enlightened grasp them. Only the ignorant deny them. Metaphors are figurative expressions that mean something different from their literal definition.

No, they are signs.

I see the sacrifice of Abel as a sign, not a METAPHOR...LOL

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

This....


31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.


...is this for you or future national Israel?

Answer carefully.

Was it too hard for you to mention which book and chapter that is from? I know it's Jeremiah 31, but others may not know that.

The following scripture indicates that Jeremiah 31:31-34 has its fulfillment in the new covenant and the new covenant was established long ago by the blood of Christ:

Hebrews 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. 7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. 8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: 9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. 10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: 11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more. 13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

 

[Truther]

Do you think that reading road signs(words or pics) that portray actual things are metaphors?

Is that what DMV puts on your tests?

 

[WPM]

No, are they fictitious stories or historic events?

A parable is an earthly story with a heavenly meaning. When Jesus taught parables, He employed illustrations and topics that the people of His day could relate to. He employed these to impress deep spiritual truths. They referred to real people, real events and real truths.

If Jesus was teaching with parables in our day He might talk about cell phones, laptops, iPads, Twitter, Facebook and Instagram.

A parable is not always clear; but once it is grasped it sheds new light on the subject under discussion. Significantly, a parable is not just to enlighten but to provoke a person to respond to the revelation before them.

There is something a lot of people forget in regard to parables, the purpose of them was to conceal as well as reveal. Did Jesus not say in verse 10 of our reading?

Mat 13:10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest … unto them in parables?
Mat 13:11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
Mat 13:12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
Mat 13:13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

Jesus was essentially saying: when I share these parables, it exposes whether people truly grasp the meaning of the kingdom of God or whether they are blind to it. That did not just apply to Jesus day. It applies as much to us today. Basically, parables will separate this morning between those that are real and those that are playing at religion.

Sadly, the reality is, to the majority of people that sit under the preaching of God’s Word, the truth remains hidden behind the parabolic statements. They hear religious words with their physical ears but not divine truth in their heart.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

A sower never sowed in history...?

Is that what I said? No. You clearly have a very serious reading comprehension problem. You keep asking me questions like this that don't apply to what I had said.

What is the point of this question? Are you trying to say that you think the parables Jesus told were of true stories that actually happened? You think the parable of the sower really happened as if it's talking a real event where a sower literally sowed seed, etc.? If so....LOL.

 

[St. Joseph]

There is no such thing in scripture as "tribulation saints". You are making that up, "my friend". Those who are called "saints" are part of the church. Those who obey God's commandments and keept the testimony of Christ are part of the church. You are trying to divide what Jesus brought together as one in His church. There is neither male nor female, Jew nor Gentile, tribulation saint nor non-tribulation saint in His church.


I don't see it there at all. Why don't you tell me where you are seeing it there.


The spiritual Israel of God. Not the nation of Israel. Notice that her children are Jesus Himself as well as those who "keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ." That is not a description of national Israel.

Rev 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

There were saints in

There is no such thing in scripture as "tribulation saints". You are making that up, "my friend". Those who are called "saints" are part of the church. Those who obey God's commandments and keept the testimony of Christ are part of the church. You are trying to divide what Jesus brought together as one in His church. There is neither male nor female, Jew nor Gentile, tribulation saint nor non-tribulation saint in His church.


I don't see it there at all. Why don't you tell me where you are seeing it there.


The spiritual Israel of God. Not the nation of Israel. Notice that her children are Jesus Himself as well as those who "keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ." That is not a description of national Israel.

Rev 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

The woman is Israel,as pointed out in Josephs dream. Gen 37:9
The child Israel brings forth is Christ.
When has Christ ruled with a rod of iron?
Not until he rules in the millennium.

 

[Truther]

Was it too hard for you to mention which book and chapter that is from? I know it's Jeremiah 31, but others may not know that.

The following scripture indicates that Jeremiah 31:31-34 has its fulfillment in the new covenant and the new covenant was established long ago by the blood of Christ:

Hebrews 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. 7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. 8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: 9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. 10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: 11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more. 13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

Bingo.

Now I got you.

You teach replacement theology.

Here is your only way out of it now....

Hebrews 10:15-17​

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King James Version​

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15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.


This is all the church gets included into per the promise to the fathers.

That's it.

This is exactly why gifts of the Spirit are partial and we see through a "welders mask" today.

 

[WPM]

Do you think that reading road signs(words or pics) that portray actual things are metaphors?

Is that what DMV puts on your tests?

As every argument you present is addressed and exposed you move onto another lie. This sums up your theology.

This will be enlightening reading for a new-be. They will see who has the truth and who is talking nonsense.

 

[Truther]

Nearly all of Christendom teaches replacement theology, wittingly or unwittingly.