22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

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Just because I don't believe that a/the thousand years = 1,000,000,000 years like Amils do?
Please remember there is no “one thousand years” (1,000 years) mentioned in this passage but rather the symbolic phrase "a thousand years." The term “one thousand” is only found once in Scripture in Isaiah 30:17. The phrase "a thousand" is repeatedly presented in Scripture as a symbolic phrase to describe a large undefined number.
 

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If you are adamant in interpreting 1,000 years hyper-literally, how long is the “one hour” that the beast reigns with the “ten kings” in Revelation 17:12 is? i.e. is it sixty minutes?

This is the most figurative book in the Bible. The beast is mentioned over 30 times in the book of Revelation. Does that make it a literal beast? There are 10 horns mentioned 6 time in Revelation. That does not make them literal horns. No, they represent rulers. There are 7 heads mentioned 5 time in Revelation. That does not make them literal. They represent kingdoms. Babylon is mentioned 6 time in Revelation. That does not make her literal. It is mystery spiritual Babylon. The dragon is mentioned 12 time in Revelation. That does not make it literal. It is symbol of the devil.

You do not seem to understand apocalyptic language. That is why your theology is messed up.
Since I don't have the nerve to redefine the book of Rev like Amils do, certain signs which are not clear in the book I leave be.

I leave "one hour, etc" alone for God to reveal when we get there, but Lamb= Jesus and Dragon =satan etc.

That is the safe way to understand it.

Amils "interpret" it and Premils "understand" it.

Big difference.
 

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No, the spirit of antichrist has been around since the fall of satan.

You didn't know that?

The future man will be controlled by satan.

You didn't know that?

You didn't know that because you think the Bible is a book of metaphors.

LOL. Now you are unsure whether he is a real man or a spirit.

You are ducking round these questions because you have to. They forbid your error. Before coming onto a board like this, and being so impulsive, it might be better if you actually researched it for yourself first. Those who have taught you on this have misled you.
 

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Please remember there is no “one thousand years” (1,000 years) mentioned in this passage but rather the symbolic phrase "a thousand years." The term “one thousand” is only found once in Scripture in Isaiah 30:17. The phrase "a thousand" is repeatedly presented in Scripture as a symbolic phrase to describe a large undefined number.
I want you to tell us right now what 1000 years means in all 6 verses.

Now, spit it out!
 

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Since I don't have the nerve to redefine the book of Rev like Amils do, certain signs which are not clear in the book I leave be.

I leave "one hour, etc" alone for God to reveal when we get there, but Lamb= Jesus and Dragon =satan etc.

That is the safe way to understand it.

Amils "interpret" it and Premils "understand" it.

Big difference.

I knew it. Double standards!!! You interpret Revelation according to your own personal bias. You are all over the place. You have no consistent hermeneutics. It sounds like you are winging it. Whatever sustains Premil is employed to justify it. Be honest: you have bought into a non-corroborative man-made doctrine. It is built upon sand.

Your avoidance only serves to reinforce Amil. That is only reason I continue to engage with you.
 

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2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a ......,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the ,......... should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ ..........

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the ....... were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a .........

7 And when the ............ are expired,




I demand that you fill in the blanks in this passage, or you lose.

Now!
 

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I want you to tell us right now what 1000 years means in all 6 verses.

Now, spit it out!

Like the rest of Scripture, "a thousand" is symbolically used to represent a long period of time or a large amount. Simple to the unindoctrinated.
 

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If you chicken out and cannot fill in the blanks, you are a false teacher and exposed....



2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a ......,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the ,......... should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ ..........

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the ....... were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a .........

7 And when the ............ are expired,
 

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2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a ......,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the ,......... should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ ..........

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the ....... were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a .........

7 And when the ............ are expired,




I demand that you fill in the blanks in this passage, or you lose.

Now!

Demand away. LOL. You will never tell me what to do!
 

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Like the rest of Scripture, "a thousand" is symbolically used to represent a long period of time or a large amount. Simple to the unindoctrinated.
Fill in the blanks and remove 1000 years.

You are a fraud if you can't.
 

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If you chicken out and cannot fill in the blanks, you are a false teacher and exposed....



2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a ......,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the ,......... should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ ..........

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the ....... were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a .........

7 And when the ............ are expired,

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Demand away. LOL. You will never tell me what to do!
I knew you were a fraud.

No Amils dare fill in the blanks.

They all talk about it and make moron students do it in mass commentary.

What a joke.
 

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Fill in the blanks and remove 1000 years.

You are a fraud if you can't.
Like the rest of Scripture, "a thousand" is symbolically used to represent a long period of time or a large amount. Simple to the unindoctrinated.
 

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I knew you were a fraud.

No Amils dare fill in the blanks.

They all talk about it and make moron students do it in mass commentary.

What a joke.
Phase 2 of Premil engagement online: ad hominem! Phase 3 is to run.
 

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Like the rest of Scripture, "a thousand" is symbolically used to represent a long period of time or a large amount. Simple to the unindoctrinated.
Since 1000 years is not one thousand actual years, fill in the blanks for us....




2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a ......,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the ,......... should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ ..........

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the ....... were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a .........

7 And when the ............ are expired,


Teach us your doctrine by filling in the blank areas.
 

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2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a ......,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the ,......... should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ ..........

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the ....... were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a .........

7 And when the ............ are expired,




I demand that you fill in the blanks in this passage, or you lose.

Now!

Rev 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings ............ with the beast.

If you chicken out and cannot fill in the blank, you are a false teacher and exposed....
 

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Since 1000 years is not one thousand actual years, fill in the blanks for us....




2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a ......,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the ,......... should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ ..........

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the ....... were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a .........

7 And when the ............ are expired,


Teach us your doctrine by filling in the blank areas.
Moses employs `a thousand' in Deuteronomy 7:9 saying, "Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations."

Is this a literal or figurative thousand?

1 Chronicles 16:13-17 also states, "O ye seed of Israel his servant, ye children of Jacob, his chosen ones. He is the LORD our God; his judgments are in all the earth. Be ye mindful always of his covenant; the word which he commanded to a thousand generations; Even of the covenant which he made with Abraham, and of his oath unto Isaac; And hath confirmed the same to Jacob for a law, and to Israel for an everlasting covenant."

Is this a literal or figurative thousand?

A thousand and ten thousand are used together in Psalm 91, saying, "Thou shalt not be afraid for the terror by night; nor for the arrow that flieth by day; Nor for the pestilence that walketh in darkness; nor for the destruction that wasteth at noonday. A thousand shall fall at thy side, and ten thousand at thy right hand; but it shall not come nigh thee" (vv 5-7).

Is this a literal or figurative thousand?

A similar contrast between these two numbers or ideas is seen in Deuteronomy 32:30, where a rhetorical question is asked, "How should one chase a thousand, and two put ten thousand to flight, except their Rock had sold them, and the Lord had shut them up?"

Is this a literal or figurative thousand?

Joshua affirms, on the same vein, in chapter 23, "One man of you shall chase a thousand: for the LORD your God, he it is that fighteth for you, as he hath promised you" (v 10).

Is this a literal or figurative thousand?

Isaiah the prophet similarly declares in Isaiah 30:17, "one thousand shall flee at the rebuke of one."

This incidentally is the only passage in Scripture that makes mention of the actual number "one thousand," albeit, the term is used to impress a spiritual truth.

Is this a literal or figurative thousand?

Psalm 84:9-10 says, "Behold, O God our shield, and look upon the face of thine anointed. For a day in thy courts is better than a thousand. I had rather be a doorkeeper in the house of my God, than to dwell in the tents of wickedness."

Is this a literal or figurative thousand?

The figure a thousand is also employed in Psalm 50:10-11 saying, "For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a thousand hills. I know all the fowls of the mountains: and the wild beasts of the field are mine."

Is this a literal or figurative thousand?

Ecclesiastes 7:27-28 succinctly says, "one man among a thousand have I found."

Is this a literal or figurative thousand?

In the same vein, Job 33:23 declares, "If there be a messenger with him, an interpreter, one among a thousand, to shew unto man his uprightness."

Is this a literal or figurative thousand?
 

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Rev 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings ............ with the beast.

If you chicken out and cannot fill in the blank, you are a false teacher and exposed....
12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour((I LIKE IT) with the beast.

Now, fill in the blanks....



2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a ......,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the ,......... should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ ..........

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the ....... were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a .........

7 And when the ............ are expired,
 

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I this Amil doctrine?....




2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a LOT,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the ,UNKNOWN TIME should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ A LONG TIME

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the UNKNOWN TIMES were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a WHILE

7 And when the WHENEVER TIME PERIODS are expired,
 
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