How are we to reckon ourselves as being dead to sin?

[Eternally Grateful]

Yes it is.


Yes...but to a totally different end.

Wrong and funny how you just say it, But do not explain it.

Yes.


This is in your imagination. You can't back that up with scripture.

Well not if I read your bible

But scripture says we are dead, And unless we are born again, We are still dead. When we die in this earth. We will go to Hades, Dead, At the end, God will deliver death and hades to judgment at the great white throne. Death and hades are then cast into outer darkness.

There is no reward.. Your universalist Gospel will fail

One must be born again...as a mantra? For what? Do you have any idea what being born again is and for what purpose? For you it seems...it's just a...must.

One who is dead must be born. You have been shown this so many times in the years I have known you yet you still deny it. There is no mantra. He who is dead in tresspasses and sin MUST be made aliv in christ.. Thats not a suggestion. That is a FACT.

I know what born again is.. It is said in John 3. A passage you continue to reject. in fact John says in many times in his gospel

the born again will never perish, but will live forever.

He who believes is not condemned

He who does not believe is condemned already


if you can;t understand this, You do not understand the gospel

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Why is anything that doesn't say "born again" or "saved" just an odd scripture? If it doesn't support your religious indoctrination it's not important? How wise is to throw away God's instructions and warnings?

The lake of fire burns forever. The second death destroys the living soul.

We were talking about a fire that shall never be quenched.

Stil to the topic and hand and stop trying to deflect to keep your follower..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

false again got scripture ?

the answer is no just your personal man-made ideas

People who do not believe in eternal judgment for the damned are dangerous

 

[GTW27]

Blessings in Christ Jesus Lizabeth! And yes, we all need to be prepared to stand, Stand firm, upon The Rock of our salvation.

I do apologize for putting an "a" in your screen name.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

People who do not believe in eternal judgment for the damned are dangerous

I believe in eternal judgment for the damned. For example by the deeds of the law there will be no flesh justified in his sight. I believe justification is through the Spirit of God. But eternal judgment to me means affliction will not rise a second time. A fire never to be quenched to me means that which is damn already …the corruption of the flesh will be utterly destroyed by the All-consuming Fire. The warning; God is an all-consuming Fire not to be quenched. What I question is it being said that God is eternal torment, instead of destroying that which torments so it …not being quenched…never rises up again.

 

[Lizbeth]

This is where we differ. To me God gave them over because of their licentiousness for their profit. As He does every thing for our profit. And before you shout that is “only for our profit” boldening the “our”. He does it for the grateful and the ungrateful alike. He gave them over because of their licentiousness to remove their yoke of bondage…to preserve them in Himself. Same as I will go before and break your bars of iron and tear down your walls. If I understood correctly, to you “for their destruction” has a period…to me it is His doing the very thing Christ came to do …not to destroy but to save out of bondage. Being giving over to satan …we call the absence of; God does not only love those who love Him. I don’t agree. What He does is give what is needful for them (warning) for their Licentiousness, given over to destroy the Licentiousness of bondage upon them, that is to Help…to aide…to deliver.

Speaking of only loving those who love you.
This thread really exposes this in a boldened prime example…loving only those who speak your own language. I know, I know you guys love me. But you call me no sister, which I can tell you I am your sister. Only a sister that doesn’t speak your own language. Then y’all try to control who this sister talks to…because you can not stand anyone talking to epi who also doesn’t speak your own language. With all due respect; because if it contradicts your theology then that you hate. If it doesn’t walk like a duck and quack like a duck, it must not be a duck. NOT to hate because of my denying Christ( which is claimed). But Because y’all make that up and speak falsely of what you cannot say about me …because you do not know although you think you do. I can tell you as much as you all boast in the cross of Christ. So do I. So as much as you guys say you have it all together and having all truth not mixed with any lie and are the issuers of warning…I question if you even know what the warning is for. You call it destruction with no profit or benefit. Instead of for the good of those in bondage to the yoke of darkness. You call it fairy dust…did I understand that right? I am no fairy but a sister in Christ. You don’t get to tell me who to speak to. Or you don’t get to control which table I sit at…that is exactly what Peter was ashamed of when the Jews showed up. Not to be seen sitting with gentiles because the Jews might pitch a stomping fit.

When have I ever tried to tell you who to talk to or not talk to?

Once again you are taking the teeth and seriousness out of those warnings which were warnings for their GOOD, so that they wouldn't have had to suffer what they ended up suffering if only they had taken the warnings seriously. And please tell those who suffered and died horribly, and watched their children suffer and die horribly, or were taken into captivity and lost their homes and saw the destruction of their homeland (if they managed to have survived the seige and massacre and fire), that God is a big teddy bear and this was all for their good so not to worry about it and no big deal that they didn't heed all the warnings that Jesus gave when He was prophesying of the very real and awful horrors that were to come.

Now, it is a mystery revealed where it says God has bound all men (both Jew and Gentile in their turn) over to disobedience, that He may have mercy on them all. But this by no means renders null and void the warnings and admonitions and exhortations to receive Christ. Otherwise tell it to all the Jewish and Gentile souls who are in hell today and all who will be cast into the lake of fire for rejecting Him and His warnings and dying in their sins.

You know, we better just learn to behold both the goodness and severity of God, as the word admonishes us to do.

God is good and His judgments are RIGHTEOUS AND HOLY....because they are JUST. Who does God esteem, those who fear Him and tremble at His word, or those who nullify His word and try to turn Him into a teddy bear?

 

[Lizbeth]

I do apologize for putting an "a" in your screen name.

Oh, no worries, I didn't even notice it. Nor would I have been offended if I had. :)

 

[VictoryinJesus]

When have I ever tried to tell you who to talk to or not talk to?

Once again you are taking the teeth and seriousness out of those warnings which were warnings for their GOOD, so that they wouldn't have had to suffer what they ended up suffering if only they had taken the warnings seriously. And please tell those who suffered and died horribly, and watched their children suffer and die horribly, or were taken into captivity and lost their homes and saw the destruction of their homeland (if they managed to have survived the seige and massacre and fire), that God is a big teddy bear and this was all for their good so not to worry about it and no big deal that they didn't heed all the warnings that Jesus gave when He was prophesying of the very real and awful horrors that were to come.

Now, it is a mystery revealed where it says God has bound all men (both Jew and Gentile in their turn) over to disobedience, that He may have mercy on them all. But this by no means renders null and void the warnings and admonitions and exhortations to receive Christ. Otherwise tell it to all the Jewish and Gentile souls who are in hell today and all who will be cast into the lake of fire for rejecting Him and His warnings and dying in their sins.

You know, we better just learn to behold both the goodness and severity of God, as the word admonishes us to do.

God is good and His judgments are RIGHTEOUS AND HOLY....because they are JUST. Who does God esteem, those who fear Him and tremble at His word, or those who nullify His word and try to turn Him into a teddy bear?

Good grief. How do you all bash who talks to whom? It has been a back and forth of slinging nothing but cult followers of his. Ate up with it. We have already discussed the “those people”. You are judging by whom someone comments to. You do think you are in control of grouping whom is with whom. (Or at least that is how I see it or feel is happening). So for you to deny the need for control as overseers …truthfully to me is an outright lie. Same as the waving around the Jesus card as if you all are the only ones who have the right, as having claimed Him. Marching “we claim Christ”. When I have yet to see any of His Spirit in it. I’ve already said I don’t see everything the same as epi. BUT I’ve known enough about the theology that says you have to speak our language or be gone with you into Hell. What I see is Epi and Amadeus and Byrd and my husband and a few others on here …promote getting away from religion and that you know it all…and read it for yourself without all the bias. get in prayer with God and ask Him to help you apart from all the noise. The control I see is; no don’t do that!

I have NEVER said God is a teddy bear. That is your assessment. But for me when in the Old Testament all the trash was taken without the gate to be burned, put out in an unclean place…I can see that place without the gate is where Christ went to suffer to prepare a people with His own blood. If I would have been during that time when the: the leapers, the unclean women raped, the spoils of war all being taken without to be burned…all commanded to be put without the gate in an unclean place …I would have most likely been short-sighted not seeing the sight of Christ suffering without the gate to sanctify a people in His own blood. If you call that a teddy bear perspective then that is your perspective. What does that have to do with all that come on Jerusalem? I’m trying to help you see I am not saying God is unfair and unjust. Even if I don’t understand. To me the outcome is still the same. That He is Fair and Just.

 

[amigo de christo]

God the Father isn’t love?

YES HE IS LOVE . notice i said truth .
The problem is not with saying GOD is LOVE
the problem is , the version of love we call GODS LOVE .
Too many folks are hollering GOD is love and yet know neither GOD or LOVE .
No love that cometh of the FATHER honors ANY SIN .
NO love that cometh of the FATHER honors all religoins , all paths as ways to GOD .
NO LOVE that cometh of GOD , would DENY CHRIST .
This problem is many are hearing the voice of false ones who might be able to say a truth
LIKE GOD IS LOVE , but the love they offer contradicts THE GOD , HIS CHRIST . That aint love pard , ITS SATANS LIE .

 

[VictoryinJesus]

When have I ever tried to tell you who to talk to or not talk to?

Once again you are taking the teeth and seriousness out of those warnings which were warnings for their GOOD, so that they wouldn't have had to suffer what they ended up suffering if only they had taken the warnings seriously. And please tell those who suffered and died horribly, and watched their children suffer and die horribly, or were taken into captivity and lost their homes and saw the destruction of their homeland (if they managed to have survived the seige and massacre and fire), that God is a big teddy bear and this was all for their good so not to worry about it and no big deal that they didn't heed all the warnings that Jesus gave when He was prophesying of the very real and awful horrors that were to come.

Now, it is a mystery revealed where it says God has bound all men (both Jew and Gentile in their turn) over to disobedience, that He may have mercy on them all. But this by no means renders null and void the warnings and admonitions and exhortations to receive Christ. Otherwise tell it to all the Jewish and Gentile souls who are in hell today and all who will be cast into the lake of fire for rejecting Him and His warnings and dying in their sins.

You know, we better just learn to behold both the goodness and severity of God, as the word admonishes us to do.

God is good and His judgments are RIGHTEOUS AND HOLY....because they are JUST. Who does God esteem, those who fear Him and tremble at His word, or those who nullify His word and try to turn Him into a teddy bear?

And one last thing while I am letting it out …all the boasting of they are nothing but a bunch that thinks they are above God… I’ll own it. I can get too high on myself over Him. And need to be brought down. But so do you. your boasting in the forgiveness in Christ. So am I forgiven in Him.

 

[amigo de christo]

People who do not believe in eternal judgment for the damned are dangerous

IF you notice the same one who believes not in ETERNAL JUDGEMENT
also believes NOT IN BELIEVE YE IN CHRIST JESUS . they dont believe one has to BELIEVE IN CHRIST
to be saved . THEY believe neither in the goodness of GOD or the severity of GOD .
They omit the severity side of GOD and thus they also preach a false goodness
a goodness that has led not to the repetance of sins but rather acceptance of sins .
A goodness that wont point to BELIEVE YE IN CHRIST but rather believe as thou wilt and do some good works .
Paul was right . WE MUST behold BOTH the GOODNESS and SEVERITY OF GOD .
we cannot add to his goodness and take away from his severity .
THE TRUTH is if we only POINTED TO THE GOODNESS OF GOD , WHICH IS FAITH IN CHRIST
all who do believe would not have to go under HIS SEVERITY , HIS JUDGMENT , HIS WRATH .
ONLY they wont do that . They invented a love god that honors certain sins , all paths
and by golly he wont JUDGE any in the lake of fire .
I have seen a great evil in the land . You have a very small side who will preach the severity of GOD
but wont offer up , point too CHRIST which is the GOODNESS of GOD
then you have a large side who has thrown away any severity from GOD
and thus even the image of his goodness they preach WONT SAVE SQUAT .
FOr they have created an image o GOD that honors sins , honors all paths and that god cannot save
That god is already condemned and desires all to die with him on the day of judgement in the second death .
We truly do have a big problem today .
Then you have the tiniest group of all , they preach both the goodness and severity of GOD
and this group is hated by all sides . OH but the do follow the lamb and what a wonderful home awaits those .

 

[VictoryinJesus]

YES HE IS LOVE . notice i said truth .
The problem is not with saying GOD is LOVE
the problem is , the version of love we call GODS LOVE .
Too many folks are hollering GOD is love and yet know neither GOD or LOVE .
No love that cometh of the FATHER honors ANY SIN .
NO love that cometh of the FATHER honors all religoins , all paths as ways to GOD .
NO LOVE that cometh of GOD , would DENY CHRIST .
This problem is many are hearing the voice of false ones who might be able to say a truth
LIKE GOD IS LOVE , but the love they offer contradicts THE GOD , HIS CHRIST . That aint love pard , ITS SATANS LIE .

You said “no love of God honours any sin”
I don’t see where anyone has said the love of God honors sin.

 

[amigo de christo]

You said “no love of God honours any sin”
I don’t see where anyone has said the love of God honors sin.

Sure you have . What DIDJESUS tell the unbelieving jews .
YE shall DIE in your sins for you believe not that i am HE .
Or how about this .
He will convict the world of SIN , for they believe NOT ON CHRIST .
You sure have seen some who do honor SIN . they honor a LIE . they honor
a mindset that all religoins , atheists and all are fine and have No NEED to believe on THE CHRIST OF GOD .
just do some good works and have the social all inclusive love and yur FINE N dandy . WHAT A WHOPPER of a LIE
that one is .
Not to mention go take a peek at some of these churches .
THEY SAY GOD IS LOVE THEN SAY HOMOSEXUALITY IS LOVE . WE GOT us A HUGE PROBLEM IN THE LAND TODAY .
Many are hearing from the dragon . and though HE too can holler GOD is love , BEWARE HIM
for he gonna bring a love that contradicts the TRUTH OF GOD . HIMS A LIAR . dont follow nor heed that one is all i can say .
RATHER follow , learn and HEED the GOD of that bible . For any god , angel , man , woman, child or speaking donkey
that contradicts THAT GOD and HIS CHRIST , the truth of what the apostels left us in said BIBLE , ITS A FALSE ONE
telling lies .

 

[amigo de christo]

Nothing you teach is from Jesus or the Apostles which is why you never quote them.

hope this helps !!!

Cant argue with that my friend .
REMEMBER when JESUS told phillip if you have seem me you have seen the Father .
Sometimes some get so full of themselves they act as though if we have seen them we have seen CHRIST and the FATHER .
Some folks think they the very agent o God , his right hand man , his savoir of the world .
Lambs wont be heeding such . WE GONNA HEED and POINT to the ONLY SAVOIR there is , JESUS CHRIST .
Some folks have drank large and deep from the well of their own waters , they drank so much of self
if it were possible they could taste their own feet .

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Sure you have . What DIDJESUS tell the unbelieving jews .
YE shall DIE in your sins for you believe not that i am HE .
Or how about this .
He will convict the world of SIN , for they believe NOT ON CHRIST .
You sure have seen some who do honor SIN . they honor a LIE . they honor
a mindset that all religoins , atheists and all are fine and have No NEED to believe on THE CHRIST OF GOD .
just do some good works and have the social all inclusive love and yur FINE N dandy . WHAT A WHOPPER of a LIE
that one is .
Not to mention go take a peek at some of these churches .
THEY SAY GOD IS LOVE THEN SAY HOMOSEXUALITY IS LOVE . WE GOT us A HUGE PROBLEM IN THE LAND TODAY .
Many are hearing from the dragon . and though HE too can holler GOD is love , BEWARE HIM
for he gonna bring a love that contradicts the TRUTH OF GOD . HIMS A LIAR . dont follow nor heed that one is all i can say .
RATHER follow , learn and HEED the GOD of that bible . For any god , angel , man , woman, child or speaking donkey
that contradicts THAT GOD and HIS CHRIST , the truth of what the apostels left us in said BIBLE , ITS A FALSE ONE
telling lies .

God isn’t going to remove the thorn. And it does hurt. What I feel you desire most is proof I am weak and you are strong. I want to keep fighting to prove my strength but I am weak. I submit to being the one in fault here. I can’t beat you. I could continue trying to defend myself but it is going no where. So I’m going to leave the board and take a break. Step away and breathe. No offensive what I feel like is I am only giving you more opportunities to cause me to defend myself. Which isn’t doing a thing…expect making me anxious, angry, annoyed and sad which isn’t good.

 

[amigo de christo]

God isn’t going to remove the thorn. And it does hurt. What I feel you desire most is proof I am weak and you are strong. I want to keep fighting to prove my strength but I am weak. I submit to being the one in fault here. I can’t beat you. I could continue trying to defend myself but it is going no where. So I’m going to leave the board and take a break. Step away and breathe. No offensive what I feel like is I am only giving you more opportunities to cause me to defend myself. Which isn’t doing a thing.

Its not about me defending me or you defending you . Its just about simple truth .
The Love of GOD will never honor or embrace any lie , any sin . It should be real simple to see .
This is not about me against you and you against me . I am just saying the simple truth .

 

[amigo de christo]

God isn’t going to remove the thorn. And it does hurt. What I feel you desire most is proof I am weak and you are strong. I want to keep fighting to prove my strength but I am weak. I submit to being the one in fault here. I can’t beat you. I could continue trying to defend myself but it is going no where. So I’m going to leave the board and take a break. Step away and breathe. No offensive what I feel like is I am only giving you more opportunities to cause me to defend myself. Which isn’t doing a thing…expect making me anxious, angry, annoyed and sad which isn’t good.

What thorn . i think i see the problem .
you do realize pauls thorn was not a sin he held onto , it was an affliction to keep him humble .
Sin dont humble us , it destroys us . .

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Its not about me defending me or you defending you . Its just about simple truth .
The Love of GOD will never honor or embrace any lie , any sin . It should be real simple to see .
This is not about me against you and you against me . I am just saying the simple truth .

It’s ok. I’ve been feeling like I need to take a break from the board for days now. This just has validated it.

 

[amigo de christo]

It’s ok. I’ve been feeling like I need to take a break from the board for days now. This just has validated it.

Everyone has evil in the flesh . The thing is dont act it out , dont entertain the thought .
One is not condemned because evil thoughts arise from within their flesh , their minds .
Evil is present in the flesh . The key is DONT heed it . Heed rather the SPIRIT and bring those thoughts captive .
I dont condmen anyone for their thoughts . But do not obey the evil . Fight it . God is greater
Christ is greater and In HE we can win that battle .

 

[Lizbeth]

Good grief. How do you all bash who talks to whom? It has been a back and forth of slinging nothing but cult followers of his. Ate up with it. We have already discussed the “those people”. You are judging by whom someone comments to. You do think you are in control of grouping whom is with whom. (Or at least that is how I see it or feel is happening). So for you to deny the need for control as overseers …truthfully to me is an outright lie. Same as the waving around the Jesus card as if you all are the only ones who have the right, as having claimed Him. Marching “we claim Christ”. When I have yet to see any of His Spirit in it. I’ve already said I don’t see everything the same as epi. BUT I’ve known enough about the theology that says you have to speak our language or be gone with you into Hell. What I see is Epi and Amadeus and Byrd and my husband and a few others on here …promote getting away from religion and that you know it all…and read it for yourself without all the bias. get in prayer with God and ask Him to help you apart from all the noise. The control I see is; no don’t do that!

I have NEVER said God is a teddy bear. That is your assessment. But for me when in the Old Testament all the trash was taken without the gate to be burned, put out in an unclean place…I can see that place without the gate is where Christ went to suffer to prepare a people with His own blood. If I would have been during that time when the: the leapers, the unclean women raped, the spoils of war all being taken without to be burned…all commanded to be put without the gate in an unclean place …I would have most likely been short-sighted not seeing the sight of Christ suffering without the gate to sanctify a people in His own blood. If you call that a teddy bear perspective then that is your perspective. What does that have to do with all that come on Jerusalem? I’m trying to help you see I am not saying God is unfair and unjust. Even if I don’t understand. To me the outcome is still the same. That He is Fair and Just.

Sister, I have no idea what you are talking about with regard to your first paragraph. As I said I have not tried to tell you who to talk to or not talk to. We've all been having a conversation with Episkopos here.

You have been talking as though God somehow needs justifying for warning and judging..... that His warnings of judgment, if we don't heed Him, will still turn to our good, when the truth is it only turns to destruction (which is what He is warning of). Yes, because He judges righteously, justly and fairly. Reject the warnings, reject the truth, reject Christ and expect to be justly judged and turned over to destruction. Behold the goodness of God to send us fair warning, and behold His goodness to those who heed His word, but behold His severity upon any who reject Him and His warnings. All things only work together to good to those who love Him....and Jesus said if you love me you will keep my commandments.