How are we to reckon ourselves as being dead to sin?

[Waiting on him]

That , my friend , is exactly how the enemy does operate .
Let us look closely at this in the garden .
He first approaches with a question .
Has GOD said that ye may Not eat of the Trees of the garden .
To which eve says , we may eat of the trees of the garden , just NOT
the tree in the midst of it , for in the day we eat thereof ye shall surely die .
IN COMES THE LIE . NAY , nay says the serpent ye shall not die ,
In the day ye eat thereof ye shall be as gods knowing good and evil . That was actually true
cause even GOD said so later , they have become as us to know good and evil .
SEE satan will mix truths out of text in to decieve one into DISOBEYING .
Heres a more modern example of his works .
HAS GOD , CHRIST , really said that you must believe on Him .
WHY YES , HE said that if one believes they shall be saved , but if they believe not they will be damned .
NAY NAY says the love serpent , GOD IS LOVE , truth , GOD has made the road very broad through his love , fALSE .
SEE how satan works . He comes along to make void the GOSPEL of TRUTH under this other guise of love .
And some folks HERE have fallen for his social all inclusive false love gospel .
But lambs DONT . THEY CLING TO CHRIST and HE ALONE is who they will point too .

God the Father isn’t love?

 

[Johann]

Say it over and over Paul stood before those persecuting him. Knowing this that God does raise the dead. Paul knew this because he had persecuted the way and stoned Stephen, not only Stephen but also He saw Christ asking “saul, saul, why are you persecuting me?”
“who are you, Lord?”
Paul knew God raised the dead, because he had “experience”.
You want to take about a veil being removed, or taken out of the way; a veil that separates us from God. “Who are you, Lord?” So Paul was familiar when he stood before them calling him a reprobate. But the Spirit of God in Him was willing…knowing God raises the dead. Paul had already been raised experiencing the Life of Christ in him…now I walk by faith and live and breathe and have my being in Him. The dead, the veil removed. Taken out of the way. It was their veil that separated them from God, that withheld fellowship of to love one another. To me Paul knew the power of God within to raise the dead …it was them who He prayed be lifted up.

So you want a similar experience-if not, the Bible is just one big fairy tale.

 

[Johann]

I saw the cross and the switchblade in 82, did you ever see it ? It was very popular in the late 70’s - 80’s in Pentecostal circles

Believe it or not, me and Nicky were corresponding via letters--back then.

 

[Johann]

Does Paul say he suffered the loss of all things?

Did Paul say he was saved by the baptism of Christ?

You can fancy foot around it but it is a yes or no.

1) No. Paul did not suffer the loss of all things. No Paul was not saved by the baptism of Christ (I baptize you with fire)

2) Yes. Paul suffered the loss of all things. (Those things are not defined as the loss of good fruit he could have had, if he just would have, if he could have, just went from infant to mature.” It doesn’t say that. It says “dung”,

Is those losses of good things the Christian just did not do but instead remained small…yet he is still saved by fire. Is that type of loss you are suggesting called “dung”?

Yea, verily, and (alla men oun ge kai). Five particles before Paul proceeds (yea, indeed, therefore, at least, even), showing the force and passion of his conviction. He repeats his affirmation with the present middle indicative (hēgoumai), “I still count all things loss for the excellency of the knowledge (to huperechon, the surpassingness, neuter articular participle of huperechō, Php_2:3) of Christ Jesus my Lord.”
Dung (skubala). Late word of uncertain etymology, either connected with skōr (dung) or from es kunas ballō, to fling to the dogs and so refuse of any kind. It occurs in the papyri. Here only in the N.T.
That I may gain Christ (hina Christon kerdēsō). First aorist active subjunctive of kerdaō, Ionic form for kerdainō with hina in purpose clause. Paul was never satisfied with his knowledge of Christ and always craved more fellowship with him.


Yea doubtless — Not only when I was first converted, but I still account both these and all things else, how valuable soever, to be but loss. Having said, in the preceding verse, that he counted his privileges as a Jew, and his righteousness by the law, to be loss, or things to be thrown away, he here adds, that he viewed in the same light all the things which men value themselves upon, and on which they build their hope of salvation: such as their natural and acquired talents, their knowledge, their moral virtue, and even their good works; yea, and all the riches, honours, and pleasures of the world; all the things in which people seek their happiness. For the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord — In comparison of, and in order that I may attain, the experimental and practical knowledge of Christ, as my Lord, as my teaching Prophet, my atoning and mediating Priest, my delivering and ruling King, reigning in my heart by his grace, and governing my life by his laws. For the apostle evidently had a respect here to all the offices and characters of Christ, and intended what he says to be understood of sanctification and practical obedience, as much as of illumination and justification.

4x: damage, loss, detriment, Act_27:10; Act_27:21; Php_3:7-8.

The verb rendered “I suffered loss,” “I was fined, mulcted,” is akin to the noun “loss” used just above, and takes it up. There is a certain verbal “play” in this; he reckoned his old privileges and position loss, from a spiritual point of view, and he was made by others to feel the loss of them, in a temporal respect.
all things] The Gr. suggests the paraphrase, my all.

--so how do you connect this with the baptism of fire?

 

[Johann]

1 Peter 1:7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perishes, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:
1 Peter 4:12-13 Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you: [13] But rejoice, inasmuch as you are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, you may be glad also with exceeding joy.

Circumcised the eighth day,
Of the stock of Israel
Of the tribe of Benjamin
A Hebrews of hebrews
A Pharisee
Persecuting the church
As touching the law, blameless
Are you saying the above is not Wood, hay, stubble? Those things Paul suffered the loss of? There are more in other places when they start provoking him to boast in himself.

You have it backward--read from left to right-not right to left, no offense.

 

[Johann]

I just see two different points of instruction being conveyed in the two passages. Sure there are similarities as all truth is cohesive and harmonious, I think as long as that doesn't distract or lead us away from the specific points being conveyed for our edification.

Correct--
Php 3:4 although I could have confidence in the flesh. If anyone thinks he can place confidence in the flesh, I have more reason to think so.
Php 3:5 Having been circumcised on the eighth day, I am of the nation of Israel, from the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of Hebrews. As far as the Law is concerned, I was a Pharisee.
Php 3:6 As for my zeal, I was a persecutor of the church. As far as righteousness in the Law is concerned, I was blameless.
Php 3:7 But whatever things were assets to me, these I now consider a loss for the sake of the Messiah.
Php 3:8 What is more, I continue to consider all these things to be a loss for the sake of what is far more valuable, knowing the Messiah Jesus, my Lord. It is because of him that I have experienced the loss of all those things. Indeed, I consider them rubbish in order to gain the Messiah
Php 3:9 and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the Law, but one that comes through the faithfulness of the Messiah, the righteousness that comes from God and that depends on faith.
Php 3:10 I want to know the Messiah—what his resurrection power is like and what it means to share in his sufferings by becoming like him in his death,
Php 3:11 though I hope to experience the resurrection from the dead.

@VictoryinJesus is reading into the text-eisegesis and somehow conneting "the dots" with baptism of fire [strange fire]--

1) "But what things were gain to me" (alla hatina en moi kerde) “But what things were gain to me," in the flesh in important Jewish prerogatives, positions of honor, and advantages.

2) "Those I counted loss for Christ" (tauta hegemai diaton Christon zemian) "I have deemed (as) loss on account of Christ;" Paul would not mix worldly advantages, worldly gain, and worldly fame, but laid all aside for the honor of serving Jesus Christ and his Church, Luk_9:23; Mat_6:24.

1) "Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss" (alla menoun ge kai hegoumai panta zenian) "But rather or instead, I also deem all things (as a loss)" (einai) "to be" of earthly gain, honor, position, and fame, as empty, vain, or worthless in comparison with possessing and being possessed by Jesus Christ 1Co_9:19-27.

2) "For the excellency of the knowledge of Chris Jesus my Lord" (dia to huperechon tes gnoseos Christou lesou tou kuriou moi) "On account of (because of) the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord," the supreme thing which consists in the knowledge of Christ, the wisdom and righteousness of God, 1Co_1:30; Pro_1:7.

3) "For whom I have suffered the loss of all things" (di on ta panta ezemiothen) "on account of whom I suffered or experienced loss of all things, (pertaining to the flesh)," when he received Jesus Christ as his Savior and Master, Mar_8:34-37; Mar_10:28-30; Rom_8:1.

4) "And do count them but dung" (kai hegounai skubala) "and deem (them) refuse," as the remains, left over of a banquet, to be cast away as garbage refuse, Jas_4:4.

5) "That I may win Christ" (hina Christon kerdeso) "in order that I might gain Christ" the continual fellowship of Jesus Christ or experience continuing fellowship with him, Joh_15:4.

doubtless: Num_14:30; Psa_126:6; Luk_11:20; 1Co_9:10; 1Jn_2:19
I count: Act_20:24; Rom_8:18
the excellency: Php_3:10; Isa_53:11; Jer_9:23-24; Mat_11:25-27, Mat_16:16-17; Luk_10:21-22; Joh_14:7, Joh_14:20, Joh_16:3, Joh_17:3, Joh_17:8; 1Co_2:2; 2Co_4:4, 2Co_4:6; Gal_1:16; Eph_1:17-18; Eph_3:8-9, Eph_3:18-19; Col_2:2-3; 1Pe_2:7; 2Pe_1:3, 2Pe_3:18; 1Jn_5:20
my: Luk_1:43, Luk_20:42-44; Joh_20:13, Joh_20:28
for whom: Php_3:7; Mat_19:27-29; 1Co_4:9-13; 2Co_11:23-27; 2Ti_4:6
but dung: 1Ki_14:10; 2Ki_9:37; Job_20:7; Mal_2:3
win: Mat_13:44-46; Heb_3:14; 1Jn_1:3

 

[Waiting on him]

No no no… that would be like turning Christ’s own words of loss but gaining so much more…into “powerless to help us”

You fear: “We will lose the “salt”
When salt has lost its savour…men cast it out as no good. Not fit for anything. Not fit for the kingdom. Not fit neither for the dung heap. If salt has lost its taste?
Where then will the salt get its savour? From Christ.
Psalm 34:1-11 I will bless the Lord at all times: his praise shall continually be in my mouth. [2] My soul shall make her boast in the Lord : the humble shall hear thereof, and be glad. [3] O magnify the Lord with me, and let us exalt his name together. [4] I sought the Lord, and he heard me, and delivered me from all my fears. [5] They looked unto him, and were lightened: and their faces were not ashamed. [6] This poor man cried, and the Lord heard him, and saved him out of all his troubles. [7] The angel of the Lord encampeth round about them that fear him, and delivereth them. [8] O taste and see that the Lord is good: blessed is the man that trusteth in him. [9] O fear the Lord, you his saints: for there is no want (lack)to them that fear him. [10] The young lions do lack, and suffer hunger: but they that seek the Lord shall not want any good thing. [11] Come, ye children, hearken unto me: I will teach you the fear of the Lord.

Hebrews 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

Savour …the salt, taste… “it has lost its taste!” “It is weird…strange. why don’t they walk with us anymore?”
2 Corinthians 2:14-17 Now thanks be unto God, which always causes us to triumph in Christ, and makes manifest the savour of his knowledge by us in every place. [15] For we are unto God a sweet savour of Christ, in them that are saved, and in them that perish: [16] To the one we are the savour of death unto death; and to the other the savour of life unto life. And who is sufficient for these things? Christ. [17] For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ.

Try and remember todays “Christian”hasn’t experienced loss as those first century Christian’s did. Todays “Christian” only has to say a little prayer and make a show before their fellow critics. Afterwards everyone goes too Applebees and celebrates how fortunate they are, the after about a dozen indoctrinations they repeat the sophistry they’ve learned to their pals so they can put a notch in their belt.

 

[ChristisGod]

God the Father isn’t love?

I don't think that is what he said or meant. God who is the Father, Son and Holy Spirit is love.

 

[ChristisGod]

The error I expose in the modern version of the gospel...is due to a superficial understanding of spiritual things (or a non-existent understanding) and how the narrative is wrested from its intent to serve a religious man-inspired agenda.

Of course what I teach will sound bizarre at times when compared to the teachings out there that stand against sound doctrine.

But no one will be able to refute what I teach...unless through a misunderstanding of Paul's writings...which is warned against by Peter.

What is the wise thing to do is anchor a NT idea with its prophetic foreshadow in the OT.

The modern gospel is so deviated from biblical thinking that entire denominations have given up on the the OT as a source of instruction. It is wise to build one's understanding on more than one point of reference. But doing so seems irrelevant to many...seeing they already have the verses they desire to build up their religious aspirations.

The OT WAS the bible of the early church. Evangelicals can only trace their doctrinal history to 1,500 years AFTER the testimony of the church that Jesus is building. Not wise at all...in fact very foolish. These "new" doctrines (only 500 years old) have taken the Protestant churches further and further away from the path of life. We see these deviations continuing and deepening all the time.

The doctrines I teach are apostolic (backed up in both testaments) so they are not understood. I challenge any and all who are willing to do the work...the study, the seeking, to back up what they believe from multiple biblical sources...and not just a misreading of a verse or two that suits the carnal religious aspirations of the flesh.

All of us are still waiting for you to define the gospel so when will you get around to it ?

Saying what the gospel is not does not tell anyone what the gospel is epi.

hope this helps !!!

 

[Lizbeth]

This is a protestant error. An invention by self-interpreters. You will find no such doctrine in the bible. The obsession with the word "saved" is part of the indoctrination...to be repeated over and over and put into every sentence. The more one says "saved" the more one is saved...obviously.

The confusion of being saved from sin now vis à vis inheriting salvation after death has led to an amazing lack of bible literacy/understanding...and a tremendous increase in religious dogmatism.

Correct--
Php 3:4 although I could have confidence in the flesh. If anyone thinks he can place confidence in the flesh, I have more reason to think so.
Php 3:5 Having been circumcised on the eighth day, I am of the nation of Israel, from the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of Hebrews. As far as the Law is concerned, I was a Pharisee.
Php 3:6 As for my zeal, I was a persecutor of the church. As far as righteousness in the Law is concerned, I was blameless.
Php 3:7 But whatever things were assets to me, these I now consider a loss for the sake of the Messiah.
Php 3:8 What is more, I continue to consider all these things to be a loss for the sake of what is far more valuable, knowing the Messiah Jesus, my Lord. It is because of him that I have experienced the loss of all those things. Indeed, I consider them rubbish in order to gain the Messiah
Php 3:9 and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the Law, but one that comes through the faithfulness of the Messiah, the righteousness that comes from God and that depends on faith.
Php 3:10 I want to know the Messiah—what his resurrection power is like and what it means to share in his sufferings by becoming like him in his death,
Php 3:11 though I hope to experience the resurrection from the dead.

@VictoryinJesus is reading into the text-eisegesis and somehow conneting "the dots" with baptism of fire [strange fire]--

1) "But what things were gain to me" (alla hatina en moi kerde) “But what things were gain to me," in the flesh in important Jewish prerogatives, positions of honor, and advantages.

2) "Those I counted loss for Christ" (tauta hegemai diaton Christon zemian) "I have deemed (as) loss on account of Christ;" Paul would not mix worldly advantages, worldly gain, and worldly fame, but laid all aside for the honor of serving Jesus Christ and his Church, Luk_9:23; Mat_6:24.

1) "Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss" (alla menoun ge kai hegoumai panta zenian) "But rather or instead, I also deem all things (as a loss)" (einai) "to be" of earthly gain, honor, position, and fame, as empty, vain, or worthless in comparison with possessing and being possessed by Jesus Christ 1Co_9:19-27.

2) "For the excellency of the knowledge of Chris Jesus my Lord" (dia to huperechon tes gnoseos Christou lesou tou kuriou moi) "On account of (because of) the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord," the supreme thing which consists in the knowledge of Christ, the wisdom and righteousness of God, 1Co_1:30; Pro_1:7.

3) "For whom I have suffered the loss of all things" (di on ta panta ezemiothen) "on account of whom I suffered or experienced loss of all things, (pertaining to the flesh)," when he received Jesus Christ as his Savior and Master, Mar_8:34-37; Mar_10:28-30; Rom_8:1.

4) "And do count them but dung" (kai hegounai skubala) "and deem (them) refuse," as the remains, left over of a banquet, to be cast away as garbage refuse, Jas_4:4.

5) "That I may win Christ" (hina Christon kerdeso) "in order that I might gain Christ" the continual fellowship of Jesus Christ or experience continuing fellowship with him, Joh_15:4.

doubtless: Num_14:30; Psa_126:6; Luk_11:20; 1Co_9:10; 1Jn_2:19
I count: Act_20:24; Rom_8:18
the excellency: Php_3:10; Isa_53:11; Jer_9:23-24; Mat_11:25-27, Mat_16:16-17; Luk_10:21-22; Joh_14:7, Joh_14:20, Joh_16:3, Joh_17:3, Joh_17:8; 1Co_2:2; 2Co_4:4, 2Co_4:6; Gal_1:16; Eph_1:17-18; Eph_3:8-9, Eph_3:18-19; Col_2:2-3; 1Pe_2:7; 2Pe_1:3, 2Pe_3:18; 1Jn_5:20
my: Luk_1:43, Luk_20:42-44; Joh_20:13, Joh_20:28
for whom: Php_3:7; Mat_19:27-29; 1Co_4:9-13; 2Co_11:23-27; 2Ti_4:6
but dung: 1Ki_14:10; 2Ki_9:37; Job_20:7; Mal_2:3
win: Mat_13:44-46; Heb_3:14; 1Jn_1:3

When people come along and essentially disarm in scripture what God meant for our good, we have to know that isn't the spirit of God. Notice how the salient points that those scriptures are making gets completely ignored and confused/distracted from here by certain people 'one-upping' God. It's vanity in both senses of the word.

 

[ChristisGod]

When people come along and essentially disarm in scripture what God meant for our good, we have to know that isn't the spirit of God. Notice how the salient points that those scriptures are making gets completely ignored and confused/distracted from here by certain people 'one-upping' God. It's vanity in both senses of the word.

Can you believe the claim " obsessed " with the word " saved" in the Bible. UNBELIEVABLE.

The entire Bible is a story from cover to cover about Salvation from sin and death since the fall. We call it the scarlet thread of redemption throughout the entire Bible. This person has no business teaching Gods word and I cannot believe anyone could be so duped into thinking his videos or threads in this forum come from God. They originate with the enemy who mixes truth with error. That is how deception operates and exactly what the serpent did with adam/eve and continues to do with everyone. The Bible warns us to be on guard, look out, refute error, discipline our minds, feed upon every word of God, desire His word more than gold, grow in the wisdom and knowledge of the Lord which all come from His Holy Word that reveals Gods will to believers. That is how we can discern the truth from error. His word is our compass, our True North.

 

[Lizbeth]

Try and remember todays “Christian”hasn’t experienced loss as those first century Christian’s did. Todays “Christian” only has to say a little prayer and make a show before their fellow critics. Afterwards everyone goes too Applebees and celebrates how fortunate they are, the after about a dozen indoctrinations they repeat the sophistry they’ve learned to their pals so they can put a notch in their belt.

ok, I am having trouble keeping up, but now i can speak to some of what Victory said there. The problem is that the church HAS received its salt from Christ, but what happens when we try to neutralize and remove that salt (which is meant for our good), out of His word and out of the church. It makes the church good for nothing but to be trampled under the feet of men. Now that warning was to the Jew first ....and look what tragically happened to them in 70 AD because of the licentiousness they were given over to for rejecting the salt that could have preserved them? To the Jew first.............then the Gentile! So we need to likewise take warning. Jesus came as a Lamb the first time ( but even so He did not forbear to WARN and REBUKE)......but He comes as a LION when He judges.

What Victory said is neutralizing the very salt in what Jesus intended as a WARNING about losing salt! What spirit is that? NOT the Spirit of God! That is what I call a new age spirit.....airy- fairy because it is groundless, ie, it is not grounded in the Word, but it seeks to emasculate and render the word impotent at every turn! Lucifer essentially trying to one-up and outdo God....setting his throne ABOVE the stars of God....due to his VANITY.

 

[Lizbeth]

Can you believe the claim " obsessed " with the word " saved" in the Bible. UNBELIEVABLE.

The entire Bible is a story from cover to cover about Salvation from sin and death since the fall. We call it the scarlet thread of redemption throughout the entire Bible. This person has no business teaching Gods word and I cannot believe anyone could be so duped into thinking his videos or threads in this forum come from God. They originate with the enemy who mixes truth with error. That is how deception operates and exactly what the serpent did with adam/eve and continues to do with everyone. The Bible warns us to be on guard, look out, refute error, discipline our minds, feed upon every word of God, desire His word more than gold, grow in the wisdom and knowledge of the Lord which all come from His Holy Word that reveals Gods will to believers. That is how we can discern the truth from error. His word is our compass, our True North.

Amen. And this is the second time I've had this little sense that Epi is ashamed of the gospel, and offended by it....it is too 'religious' sounding for him, so he has turned it into a philosophy instead.

 

[Johann]

When people come along and essentially disarm in scripture what God meant for our good, we have to know that isn't the spirit of God. Notice how the salient points that those scriptures are making gets completely ignored and confused/distracted from here by certain people 'one-upping' God. It's vanity in both senses of the word.

Vanity of vanities-God help us all if we cannot rightly divide the Scriptures and I confess I don't know it all @Lizbeth but what I do know, I believe/trust.
Time is short, and has been shortened and I don't have time for blatant heretics with their sarcasm and ad hominin attacks.
This thread should have been stopped before it even started.

Ecc_1:2 Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is vanity.
Ecc_12:8 Vanity of vanities, saith the preacher; all is vanity.


Verse 2 responds to the question of verse 3 with the answer, "vanity of vanities, all is vanity" (under the sun), which means utter futility or uselessness. The substance of this answer is repeated in Ecclesiastes 37 times.
Verse 3 asks the question pondered throughout Ecclesiastes: What profit is there in man's labors "under the sun," or what benefits result when God's will is ignored and life is lived under the sun, according to human desire and reasoning? Life, "under the sun," is considered 29 times in Ecclesiastes.

all = the whole, or "the sum total". Not everything in the universe, but all the human labours of Ecc_1:3, Ecc_1:8.

It is not worth the time, for me, to "correct" Epi and his heteron gospel sister, I need to work out my own salvation with fear and trembling, as it is appointed once for man to die and after that the judgement, it is me that is in great need of godly correction. [do you "hear" what I'm saying?]

 

[ChristisGod]

Amen. And this is the second time I've had this little sense that Epi is ashamed of the gospel, and offended by it....it is too 'religious' sounding for him, so he has turned it into a philosophy instead.

Spot on sister. I'm reminded of Paul's admonition below.

Colossians 2:8
See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the elemental spiritual forces of this world rather than on Christ.

 

[Johann]

Spot on sister. I'm reminded of Paul's admonition below.

Colossians 2:8
See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the elemental spiritual forces of this world rather than on Christ.

--which reminds me of this--

Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;-
2Co 10:3 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:

How many times do we witness this?

2Co 10:4 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;)

2Co 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

2Co 10:6 And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.



1) "And every high thing," (kai pan hupsoma) "and every high (exalted) thing," such as conceit, egotism, pride of the flesh, Pro_11:2; Pro_13:10; Pro_16:18; Pro_29:23. These passions are citadels of Satan, let them be torn down.

2) "That exalteth itself against the knowledge of God," (epairomenon kata tes gnesos tou theou) "That rises up against (or opposes) the knowledge of God," even as Lucifer was lifted up, "puffed up," in conceit and pride against God, Isa_28:2; Isa_28:5; Isa_28:17; Isa_14:13-14; Rom_1:21-22; 1Co_1:18-19; 1Co_1:21; 1Co_1:25-29.

3) "And bringing into captivity," (kai eichmalotizontes)" and continually take captive or captivate," these fleshly passions, mortify or put them to death, under control, so that they will be fruitless, giving place to spiritual fruit, Col_3:1-5.

4) "Every thought to the obedience of Christ," (pan noema eis ten hupakoen tou christou) "Every design to the obedience of Christ," or thru God's power we are able to bring every thought, design, or intent to obedient service to Christ, Heb_12:1-3; 1Pe_3:15; Isa_55:11-12; Php_2:5-7; Heb_4:12. Let every intent, purpose, and motive be wholly subject to the word and will of Christ, Rom_12:1-2.

imaginations] Rather, as margin, reasonings (consilia, Vulgate, counceilis, Wiclif).The rendering ‘imaginations’ comes from Tyndale. St Paul refers to the efforts of human reason to deal with things beyond it, the best corrective of which is and always will be the simple proclamation of God’s message to man.
exalteth itself] Or, is exalted.
against the knowledge of God] For this phrase see Pro_2:5; Hos_6:6; 1Co_15:34; Col_1:10, and the kindred phrase in Isa_11:9; 2Pe_2:20. Here it signifies that by which we know God, i.e. the Gospel. See 1Co_2:10; 1Co_13:12; Gal_4:9.
bringing into captivity] Another military metaphor. See note on 2Co_10:3.
every thought] The word is the same as in ch. 2Co_2:11, 2Co_3:14, 2Co_4:4. It occurs only in Php_4:7 and in this Epistle.
Cambridge

Strong, military metaphors and Imperatives!

And the warfare is on!

 

[Lizbeth]

Vanity of vanities-God help us all if we cannot rightly divide the Scriptures and I confess I don't know it all @Lizbeth but what I do know, I believe/trust.
Time is short, and has been shortened and I don't have time for blatant heretics with their sarcasm and ad hominin attacks.
This thread should have been stopped before it even started.

Ecc_1:2 Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is vanity.
Ecc_12:8 Vanity of vanities, saith the preacher; all is vanity.


Verse 2 responds to the question of verse 3 with the answer, "vanity of vanities, all is vanity" (under the sun), which means utter futility or uselessness. The substance of this answer is repeated in Ecclesiastes 37 times.
Verse 3 asks the question pondered throughout Ecclesiastes: What profit is there in man's labors "under the sun," or what benefits result when God's will is ignored and life is lived under the sun, according to human desire and reasoning? Life, "under the sun," is considered 29 times in Ecclesiastes.

all = the whole, or "the sum total". Not everything in the universe, but all the human labours of Ecc_1:3, Ecc_1:8.

It is not worth the time, for me, to "correct" Epi and his heteron gospel sister, I need to work out my own salvation with fear and trembling, as it is appointed once for man to die and after that the judgement, it is me that is in great need of godly correction. [do you "hear" what I'm saying?]

Amen, we all do need that.

Myself personally, I've also needed to get to the bottom of all this, to learn to discern it clearly and sort out the right from the wrong (and I don't doubt that I'm slower than others and have more difficulty). I believe this is all leading to something that we need to be prepared for and armed against.

 

[GTW27]

Amen, we all do need that.

Myself personally, I've also needed to get to the bottom of all this, to learn to discern it clearly and sort out the right from the wrong (and I don't doubt that I'm slower than others and have more difficulty). I believe this is all leading to something that we need to be prepared for and armed against.

Blessings in Christ Jesus Lizabeth! And yes, we all need to be prepared to stand, Stand firm, upon The Rock of our salvation.

 

[ChristisGod]

Amen, we all do need that.

Myself personally, I've also needed to get to the bottom of all this, to learn to discern it clearly and sort out the right from the wrong (and I don't doubt that I'm slower than others and have more difficulty). I believe this is all leading to something that we need to be prepared for and armed against.

Amen !

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Now that warning was to the Jew first ....and look what tragically happened to them in 70 AD because of the licentiousness they were given over to for rejecting the salt that could have preserved them

This is where we differ. To me God gave them over because of their licentiousness for their profit. As He does every thing for our profit. And before you shout that is “only for our profit” boldening the “our”. He does it for the grateful and the ungrateful alike. He gave them over because of their licentiousness to remove their yoke of bondage…to preserve them in Himself. Same as I will go before and break your bars of iron and tear down your walls. If I understood correctly, to you “for their destruction” has a period…to me it is His doing the very thing Christ came to do …not to destroy but to save out of bondage. Being giving over to satan …we call the absence of; God does not only love those who love Him. I don’t agree. What He does is give what is needful for them (warning) for their Licentiousness, given over to destroy the Licentiousness of bondage upon them, that is to Help…to aide…to deliver.

Speaking of only loving those who love you.
This thread really exposes this in a boldened prime example…loving only those who speak your own language. I know, I know you guys love me. But you call me no sister, which I can tell you I am your sister. Only a sister that doesn’t speak your own language. Then y’all try to control who this sister talks to…because you can not stand anyone talking to epi who also doesn’t speak your own language. With all due respect; because if it contradicts your theology then that you hate. If it doesn’t walk like a duck and quack like a duck, it must not be a duck. NOT to hate because of my denying Christ( which is claimed). But Because y’all make that up and speak falsely of what you cannot say about me …because you do not know although you think you do. I can tell you as much as you all boast in the cross of Christ. So do I. So as much as you guys say you have it all together and having all truth not mixed with any lie and are the issuers of warning…I question if you even know what the warning is for. You call it destruction with no profit or benefit. Instead of for the good of those in bondage to the yoke of darkness. You call it fairy dust…did I understand that right? I am no fairy but a sister in Christ. You don’t get to tell me who to speak to. Or you don’t get to control which table I sit at…that is exactly what Peter was ashamed of when the Jews showed up. Not to be seen sitting with gentiles because the Jews might pitch a stomping fit.