How are we to reckon ourselves as being dead to sin?

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Eternally Grateful

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Gone through the fire
Or by the fire
Same thing
No it is not.

He is comparing the one who‘s work endured. And the one she’s work did not endure. And saying the one who‘s work did nto endure. He is still saved.
The fire does not save the man.
The blood of Christ saves the man.
He is the Fire. His Spirit. Don’t buy it…Zechariah 2:4-5 And said unto him, Run, speak to this young man, saying, Jerusalem shall be inhabited as towns without walls for the multitude of men and cattle therein: [5] For I, saith the Lord, will be unto her a wall of fire round about, and will be the glory in the midst of her.

1 Peter 1:7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perishes, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:

I know. That is a Mix- mash of verses and you are right. But still that is how I read the man who loss everything is saved. Read it how you like. As it has been exhausted in this thread. People are going to see what they choose to see. Destruction which yields destruction. Or Hope which yields Hope. Because unless I’m crazy what we give is what we receive. So really, you don’t have to stress over me. God is the only one who can help me see what you want me to see.
the problem is, the man who lost all eternal reward is still saved. The man who is not born again, will have no reward to lose. he is lost.

the reward or lack a child of God gets for what he does here on earth is not available to the person who is lost.

One must be born again
 
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“The most important baptism is yet to come. The baptism of the Holy Spirit and the baptism of fire.”

ok…I meant it is not now or hasn’t been but is still to come. Then why did they witness it?
I was baptised with the HS 40 years ago when he baptised me into CHrist, His death and burial and his body.

I will never be baptized in fire. I will be put into the barn. Because I was washed by God.
 

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Nahum 1:9-15 What do you imagine against the Lord ? he will make an utter end: affliction shall not rise up the second time. [10] For while they be folden together as thorns, and while they are drunken as drunkards, they shall be devoured as stubble fully dry. [11] There is one come out of thee, that imagines evil against the Lord, a wicked counsellor. [12] Thus saith the Lord ; Though they be quiet, and likewise many, yet thus shall they be cut down, when he shall pass through. Though I have afflicted thee, I will afflict thee no more. [13] For now will I break his yoke from off thee, and will burst thy bonds in sunder. [14] And the Lord hath given a commandment concerning thee, that no more of thy name be sown: out of the house of thy gods will I cut off the graven image and the molten image: I will make thy grave; for thou art vile. [15] Behold upon the mountains the feet of him that bringeth good tidings, that publisheth peace! O Judah, keep thy solemn feasts, perform thy vows: for the wicked shall no more pass through thee; he is utterly cut off.
Why do you keep coming up with these odd verses? Is this what Epi shows you all to make you miss what is being said?

Mark 9
42 “But whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me [i]to stumble, it would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were thrown into the sea. 43 If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life [j]maimed, rather than having two hands, to go to hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched— 44 [l]where

‘Their worm does not die
And the fire is not quenched.’
45 And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life lame, rather than having two feet, to be cast into Hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched— 46 where

‘Their worm does not die
And the fire is not quenched.’
47 And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into [o]hell fire— 48 where


‘Their worm does not die

And the fire is not quenched.’

I know epi does not believe in eternal hellfire. But he is in error.
 
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No it is not.

Yes it is.
He is comparing the one who‘s work endured. And the one she’s work did not endure. And saying the one who‘s work did nto endure. He is still saved.

Yes...but to a totally different end.
the problem is, the man who lost all eternal reward is still saved.

Yes.
The man who is not born again, will have no reward to lose. he is lost.

This is in your imagination. You can't back that up with scripture.
the reward or lack a child of God gets for what he does here on earth is not available to the person who is lost.

One must be born again
One must be born again...as a mantra? For what? Do you have any idea what being born again is and for what purpose? For you it seems...it's just a...must.
 

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Why do you keep coming up with these odd verses? Is this what Epi shows you all to make you miss what is being said?

Mark 9
42 “But whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me [i]to stumble, it would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were thrown into the sea. 43 If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life [j]maimed, rather than having two hands, to go to hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched— 44 [l]where

‘Their worm does not die
And the fire is not quenched.’
45 And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life lame, rather than having two feet, to be cast into Hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched— 46 where

‘Their worm does not die
And the fire is not quenched.’
47 And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into [o]hell fire— 48 where


‘Their worm does not die
And the fire is not quenched.’

I know epi does not believe in eternal hellfire. But he is in error.
Why is anything that doesn't say "born again" or "saved" just an odd scripture? If it doesn't support your religious indoctrination it's not important? How wise is to throw away God's instructions and warnings?

The lake of fire burns forever. The second death destroys the living soul.
 
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Yes it is.


Yes...but to a totally different end.


Yes.


This is in your imagination. You can't back that up with scripture.

One must be born again...as a mantra? For what? Do you have any idea what being born again is and for what purpose? For you it seems...it's just a...must.
what does born again mean ?
 

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Gone through the fire
Or by the fire
Same thing

The fire does not save the man.
The blood of Christ saves the man.
He is the Fire. His Spirit. Don’t buy it…Zechariah 2:4-5 And said unto him, Run, speak to this young man, saying, Jerusalem shall be inhabited as towns without walls for the multitude of men and cattle therein: [5] For I, saith the Lord, will be unto her a wall of fire round about, and will be the glory in the midst of her.

1 Peter 1:7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perishes, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:

I know. That is a Mix- mash of verses and you are right. But still that is how I read the man who loss everything is saved. Read it how you like. As it has been exhausted in this thread. People are going to see what they choose to see. Destruction which yields destruction. Or Hope which yields Hope. Because unless I’m crazy what we give is what we receive. So really, you don’t have to stress over me. God is the only one who can help me see what you want me to see.
Those whose works will be burned up and suffer loss...........will involuntarily lose the reward of their labours because they were building incorrectly, but they themselves will still be saved (it's assuming they truly know Christ). That's all it is saying....it is not talking about the loss of things that we willingly lose to gain Christ, which Paul spoke of in the Philippians verses. Two different ideas are being spoken of. One kind of loss is punitive and involves loss of reward, the other kind of loss is pleasing to God brings reward.

Test the spirits because you know there is a way we can be led astray into digging TOO deep, where we end up on the wrong side of the globe in another country altogether, lol. That is vanity, in both senses of the word....pride as well as unfruitful. It leads us to be distracted from and led away from the messages that God wanted to bring across in the scriptures being looked at. What spirit wants to do that i wonder....not the Spirit of God.
 
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One must be born again...as a mantra? For what? Do you have any idea what being born again is and for what purpose? For you it seems...it's just a...must.
To be made into new wineskins that hold the new wine. To be made into new creatures, born of the Spirit, created after the image of he who created us. It's necessary to be saved.
 

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To be made into new wineskins that hold the new wine. To be made into new creatures, born of the Spirit, created after the image of he who created us. It's necessary to be saved.
He denies the new birth, salvation, eternal life
 

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To be made into new wineskins that hold the new wine. To be made into new creatures, born of the Spirit, created after the image of he who created us. It's necessary to be saved.
This is a protestant error. An invention by self-interpreters. You will find no such doctrine in the bible. The obsession with the word "saved" is part of the indoctrination...to be repeated over and over and put into every sentence. The more one says "saved" the more one is saved...obviously. :rolleyes:

The confusion of being saved from sin now vis à vis inheriting salvation after death has led to an amazing lack of bible literacy/understanding...and a tremendous increase in religious dogmatism.
 
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He denies the new birth, salvation, eternal life
What I deny is the excessive religiosity, self-righteous claims, and hypocritical judgments that takes good sounding verses for the ego....and denies the truth of the warnings and instructions found in the passages that don't say "saved" or "born-again.

The very superficiality of the modern gospel makes a mockery of any biblical theme.
There is a purpose to the new birth...which is to grow into Christ-like character...which is impossible to do when one is building on the religious ego of the outer man.

Salvation as the power over sin is confused with a future inheritance.

The same thing for eternal life. It would seem that there is no understanding eternal life as a KIND of life.

Very few have any understanding beyond what children are taught in Sunday school. No depth there at all.
 
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Have you seen his video?
Yabba Dabba dooooo!
I coudn't get past the OT reference to zion saying that is what born again means.

Theologians call that EISEGESIS which is just the opposite of exegesis. Scripture would identify it as false teaching.
 
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I coudn't get past the OT reference to zion saying that is what born again means.

Theologians call that EISEGESIS which is just the opposite of exegesis. Scripture would identify it as false teaching.
It's all word scramble w/o any FOUNDATION. Billy Graham he ain't !
 
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What I deny is the excessive religiosity, self-righteous claims, and hypocritical judgments that takes good sounding verses for the ego....and denies the truth of the warnings and instructions found in the passages that don't say "saved" or "born-again.

The very superficiality of the modern gospel makes a mockery of any biblical theme.
There is a purpose to the new birth...which is to grow into Christ-like character...which is impossible to do when one is building on the religious ego of the outer man.

Salvation as the power over sin is confused with a future inheritance.

The same thing for eternal life. It would seem that there is no understanding eternal life as a KIND of life.

Very few have any understanding beyond what children are taught in Sunday school. No depth there at all.
projecting again as you are the one making all of the false claims, unbiblical teachings all the while claiming to be a prophet sent by God. the ego is coming from you who will not accept any correction or even consider that you might be wrong. that is the very nature of pride the same type the Pharisees were guilty of epi. You might be able to fool some of the people some of the time but not all of the people all of the time. the majority of astute bible students are not buying what you are peddling which is why most here oppose your false teachings/claims/ideas.
 
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It's all word scramble w/o any FOUNDATION. Billy Graham he ain't !
You will find that most cults, false teachers will change the meaning of biblical words to fit their false doctrines. Its why I post the definitions from lexicons and he avoids them like the plague and refuses to define anything when I ask him because he knows he cannot support it with Scripture or the Biblical Lexicons. He tried it the other day with an english word in a translation he thought was the same in the Greek in the other passage and it wasn't. So his whole argument built upon sinking sand sank since it had no foundation. It was on the Armor of God in Ephesians 6 that he tried to defend from another passage that had nothing to do with Gods armor in Ephesians 6.
 
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Have you seen his video?
Yabba Dabba dooooo!
Thank you for posting because I hadn’t seen it. Do I agree with everything said? No. I hear things differently and yes that makes me concerned. (Before that is misunderstood and turned into something I did not mean, it concerns me because I do question my perspective). But I loved where epi brought up the disciples being told one would betray Christ, and how they each responded “is it I?” That part stood out to me as a good reminder I needed to hear; “is it I?” Love also what epi said after that about asking God to search the heart.
 

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Thank you for posting because I hadn’t seen it. Do I agree with everything said? No. I hear things differently and yes that makes me concerned. (Before that is misunderstood and turned into something I did not mean, it concerns me because I do question my perspective). But I loved where epi brought up the disciples being told one would betray Christ, and how they each responded “is it I?” That part stood out to me as a good reminder I needed to hear; “is it I?” Love also what epi said after that about asking God to search the heart.
Mixing truth with error is the exact way the enemy operates otherwise he would not be able to deceive anyone. He did it in the garden causing them to doubt God and tried but failed with Jesus. Its his method, his way of scheming and deceiving.
 

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@Episkopos I also love what you said about Zion being a mother. With reference to New Jerusalem above and free. One of my favorites is …Numbers 5:28 the law of jealousies:
And if the woman be not defiled, but be clean; then she shall be free, and shall conceive seed.

Love …then she shall be free, and shall conceive seed. Romans 7:4-5 Wherefore, my brethren, you also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that you should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God. [5] For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.

To me both are there in that law of jealousies,
where if the woman be defiled her thigh rots, her belly swells, and she becomes a curse among her people—that sounds like bringing forth fruit unto death.

But if the woman be clean, then she is free, and shall conceive seed.
…you also have become dead to the law (the law of jealousies) by the body of Christ.
…that you should bring forth fruit unto God”

Helps to me with ‘How are we to reckon ourselves as dead to sin?’
 
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