A FEW QUICK COMMENTS ON FULFILLMENT ESCHATOLOGY

[WPM]

Age of fulfilment and yes time exist, do you go to your job to work at a certain hour ?

Where does Scripture mention "Age of fulfilment"?

 

[MatthewG]

Of course you don't! Because you have NOT true biblical faith! Sadly your reliance is in whatever your mind concieves, and is not dependent upon true biblical faith.

I keep saying I am relying on Jesus.

Maybe people don’t like that.

Jesus said he was coming back, his apostles said it to.

I don’t understand the logic of not understanding that principle.

 

[MatthewG]

Where does Scripture mention "Age of fulfilment"?

It’s a point of reference; in saying and seek Jesus having fulfilled and accomplished all things; and now today people become children of God through faith and looking towards Christ and now can live in relationship and fellowship with the Father and the son, looking forward to being with them in the kingdom, because faith God is pleased and those who seek him are rewarded.

Everyone is able to have relationship with God through Christ and the choice is to eat from the tree of knowledge of Good and evil, or to eat from the tree of life as you walk in this world. @WPM.

 

[WPM]

Why?

There is a day coming where creation is going to be delivered from this. When is it?

 

[David in NJ]

Why?

Because the Gospel speaks of it along with 1 Corinthians ch15 and 1 Thessalonians and 2 Thessalonians and 1 John and Revelation.

 

[MatthewG]

There is a day coming where creation is going to be delivered from this. When is it?

I guess when you die.

The world is not gonna be changed.

People will be born in this world who will need to find the light.

And if this world is gonna be burned up and done away with; then so is the Kingdom of God done away with. Because human beings can no longer reproduce.

And you know the kingdom of God is promised to increase forever.

 

[WPM]

Age of fulfilment and yes time exist, do you go to your job to work at a certain hour ?

How can time still exist when the last day has already occurred and the 7th trumpet has already sounded? That doesn't make sense.

 

[rwb]

My faith in Jesus and believing he did not lie nor the apostles lie to the people that were written to that was expressed to watch and wait.

Don't you even realize the faith you profess is not believing in the words of Jesus, because faith does not hope for things already seen! Your so-called faith turns Christ into a liar if redemptive history is not according to whatever your mind conceives as truth. I would hope that you understand and believe the Word of God is written for all the ages and is not limited to any one people living in time.

 

[MatthewG]

How can time still exist when the last day has already occurred and the 7th trumpet has already sounded? That doesn't make sense.

How does a day with the Lord become 1000 years and 1000 years become a day?

Idk what you’re talking about. I never hear anything of time ever stopping…

Unless your talking about the hour of silence in heaven or something idk.

 

[David in NJ]

I keep saying I am relying on Jesus.

Maybe people don’t like that.

Jesus said he was coming back, his apostles said it to.

I don’t understand the logic of not understanding that principle.

How is you do not understand that the dead physical bodies of Saints have not been Resurrected yet???

 

[WPM]

I don’t have to answer any questions. You obviously think Pretrism is ludacris what’s the point in addressing it with you. To fight back and forth? To hell with that buddy @WPM.

So, when do the wicked cease from perpetrating their evil? When is sin finally eliminated for the wicked? When is death finally eliminated for the wicked?

 

[MatthewG]

Don't you even realize the faith you profess is not believing in the words of Jesus, because faith does not hope for things already seen! Your so-called faith turns Christ into a liar if redemptive history is not according to whatever your mind conceives as truth. I would hope that you understand and believe the Word of God is written for all the ages and is not limited to any one people living in time.

I disagree.

Jesus is the one who put the time limit ticker on proclaiming his return which the Father later reveals to John.

So you not liking my stance doesn’t stand on Christ or what the biblical narrative gives.

 

[rwb]

I guess when you die.

Sadly it appears your entire doctrine is built upon whatever you GUESS! You claim to stand on faith, but you don't even understand what true biblical faith is.

 

[MatthewG]

How is you do not understand that the dead physical bodies of Saints have not been Resurrected yet???

Idk there was a resurrection shortly of some saints when Jesus had rose and they went into Jerusalem right?

 

[rwb]

How can time still exist when the last day has already occurred and the 7th trumpet has already sounded? That doesn't make sense.

Of course his doctrine is nonsense! It is built upon whatever he guesses or thinks without biblical verification for even what he calls faith.

 

[MatthewG]

Sadly it appears your entire doctrine is built upon whatever you GUESS! You claim to stand on faith, but you don't even understand what true biblical faith is.

That is a lot of assumption. Many people may seem to think they know a lot better than me and perhaps they are right; all the comments are your opinions and others opinions. And I respect all of you for joining the thread.

 

[WPM]

How does a day with the Lord become 1000 years and 1000 years become a day?

Idk what you’re talking about. I never hear anything of time ever stopping…

Unless your talking about the hour of silence in heaven or something idk.

Revelation 10:5-7 says of the Second Advent and the concluding last trumpet, “And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer: but in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.”

This is the end of the old temporal sin-cursed order and the introduction of the new eternal glorified order. Also, the undoubted finality surrounding the echo of the seventh trumpet proves beyond doubt that it is the last trump – the final trumpet sound for all mankind. “The kingdoms of this world” have finally “become the kingdoms of our lord, and of his Christ” and “he shall reign” not for 1000 years as some would have us believe but “for ever and ever.” Those who reject such evidence do so (in the main) in order to support the Preterist positions.

The King James Version interprets the passage correctly and in context: chronos ouketi estai – literally meaning: Time – no longer – there shall be’!!!

The whole import and wording of the remainder of the passage perfectly supports the King James Version rendering and confirms the all-consummating nature of the Second Advent, which says, “when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be etelesthee (or) finished.” It should be noted that the word etelesthee is a very strong climactic word that is rightly translated ‘finished’ in this reading and is consistently interpreted: completed, concluded, expired and accomplished.

This teaches us that time ceases to exist at the return of Christ.

 

[MatthewG]

If the last trumpet is for mankind as you suggest the only thing I can think that could be loud is death ringing in the ears.

I don’t believe time ceases to exist at the return of Christ.

But I wonder if there is time in heaven, if there is none then time stops there in eternity.

 

[David in NJ]

Idk there was a resurrection shortly of some saints when Jesus had rose and they went into Jerusalem right?

YES there was but it was not FULL COLLECTIVE BODY of Saints from Genesis till Today and all the way to His Second Coming.

i SEE where you have hit a speed bump in scripture = you believe Jesus said in Revelation "I am coming" and that has already been fulfilled.

When the Scripture says: "HE is Coming" it is speaking of the "Last day" when JESUS Returns which is portrayed in Rev ch19.

 

[MatthewG]

I won’t be able to give you a satisfactory answer either way @WPM but I don’t put my faith on time stopping either.