A FEW QUICK COMMENTS ON FULFILLMENT ESCHATOLOGY

[WPM]

Idk did it? It’s your turn to go on and just seek out, because I will be honest and tell you im a fallible person ; but hey ya go the Bible man, I don’t need these instigating questions.

You decide for yourself.

So, it looks like your millennium (1000 years) just last 43 1/2 years. Am i hearing you right?

 

[WPM]

Thank you for sharing your belief that you hold. I have not to say about it personally, @WPM. It’s not that you have stumped me it is obvious you are going to have your insights and information from the Bible to make the case known.

I believe what Paul talks about in receiving a spiritual body, and also to dwell in a heavenly kingdom, perhaps many people only thing 144,000 people will be there but those were the first people to go onward there in my opinion. There would be more afterwards.

It looks like #155 has totally "stumped" you. It totally forbids your thesis. Whatever way we look at it, it looks like your argument is crumbling apart.

 

[MatthewG]

So, it looks like your millennium (1000 years) just last 43 1/2 years. Am i hearing you right?

You must already know something before you ask, or may try to disprove. It’s doesn’t matter me. Jesus came and Jerusalem was took down in a fire blaze.

 

[rwb]

Really? So, it started at the beginning of Christ's ministry: when (approximately) did/does it end?

He can only answer to what he has been taught. It appears his teachers may not have addressed the inconsistencies this doctrine forces upon Scripture. Those who cling only to what others have taught them without doing the hard work of searching out the Scripture for truth will always be tossed to and fro with every new wind of doctrine that comes along.

 

[David in NJ]

Yeah in are earthly vessel where God dwells in which one looks onward to a heavenly place to be where the kingdom is.

Most people seem to wanna stick to this earth; from my understanding I don’t believe in being on a material earth after this life, but to be with God in the kingdom.

That is what seems to be our hope going on to resurrected, no more sorrow, no more worry about death.

JESUS, the Creator of ALL things has Promised to return to the Earth that HE created to Redeem it from the curse of sin and death.

JESUS did this for us who have been Born-Again by the SPIRIT = ONLY in our spirit but not yet in our decaying bodies.

When JESUS Returns HE will Resurrect the dead bodies tha are asleep in the Earth and Transform that death into Immortal Bodies.

"But someone will ask, “How are the dead raised? With what kind of body will they come?” You fool! What you sow does not come to life unless it dies. And what you sow is not the body that will be,"

So will it be with the resurrection of the dead: What is sown is perishable; it is raised imperishable

The spiritual, however, was not first, but the natural, and then the spiritual. The first man was of the dust of the earth, the second man from heaven. As was the earthly man, so also are those who are of the earth; and as is the heavenly man, so also are those who are of heaven. And just as we have borne the likeness of the earthly man, so also shall(future) we bear the likeness of the heavenly man.

 

[David in NJ]

You must already know something before you ask, or may try to disprove. It’s doesn’t matter me. Jesus came and Jerusalem was took down in a fire blaze.

Jerusalem on earth is NOT the Jerusalem in Heaven

 

[WPM]

You must already know something before you ask, or may try to disprove. It’s doesn’t matter me. Jesus came and Jerusalem was took down in a fire blaze.

Correct! I do! I know that Full Preterism is heretical, unbiblical, illogical and nonsensical. You are just reinforcing all this. You have no answer to all the simple questions. That is why you will have to run soon.

 

[MatthewG]

It looks like #155 has totally "stumped" you. It totally forbids your thesis. Whatever way we look at it, it looks like your argument is crumbling apart.

Nope, it is not that is just why should I agrue with someone who I already know opposes me and my held beliefs?

From my Christian perspective I’m inclined by the spirit to allow people go ahead and believe Jesus is coming back; and that is okay.

I haven’t told anyone here they must believe me or they are not made right with God; it’s perspectives and its obvious Me and you both aren’t eye to eye when it comes to beliefs so of course the arugments will come when I can explain something throughly.

That doesn’t bother me though: as this the internet and people do what they do.

 

[David in NJ]

I was never responsible for them? Where did you get that from?

Your words: "I just can't be ignorant of the community of those people in that time."

You are implying that Jesus and the Apostles lied to them.

 

[MatthewG]

Jerusalem on earth is NOT the Jerusalem in Heaven

Oh.

 

[MatthewG]

Your words: "I just can't be ignorant of the community of those people in that time."

Oh. That is in subject to reading and considering the audience of the time.

 

[WPM]

He can only answer to what he has been taught. It appears his teachers may not have addressed the inconsistencies this doctrine forces upon Scripture. Those who cling only to what others have taught them without doing the hard work of searching out the Scripture for truth will always be tossed to and fro with every new wind of doctrine that comes along.

Bro, that is what the Cults do. Get them off what they have been programmed to say and they are lost. This is what we are seeing here.

 

[David in NJ]

Nope, it is not that is just why should I agrue with someone who I already know opposes me and my held beliefs?

From my Christian perspective I’m inclined by the spirit to allow people go ahead and believe Jesus is coming back; and that is okay.

I haven’t told anyone here they must believe me or they are not made right with God; it’s perspectives and its obvious Me and you both aren’t eye to eye when it comes to beliefs so of course the arugments will come when I can explain something throughly.

That doesn’t bother me though: as this the internet and people do what they do.

It should bother you!!!

You should be bothered by all this and run to the Scriptures to SEE if these things are True as being shown you.

Since you love God, then love HIM with all your heart, mind, soul and strength = believe every word HE has spoken.

 

[rwb]

Bro, that is what the Cults do. Get them off what they have been programmed to say and they are lost. This is what we are seeing here.

Yes, and the more he is questioned the more it will be shown he has been indoctrinated by lies.

 

[MatthewG]

people are free to believe and decide for themselves how they are gonna see and read the Bible.


I promise you this is that you don’t have any authority but God to address when it comes down to that individual relationship. Of course Christian’s are also called to respect those in authority but God is the final one; and he is the judge of the heart.

So just because I can’t answer some questions and I seem like I am weak and an argument is won; that doesn’t really mean anyone wins, if you can not love at the end of the day.

 

[MatthewG]

It should bother you!!!

You should be bothered by all this and run to the Scriptures to SEE if these things are True as being shown you.

Since you love God, then love HIM with all your heart, mind, soul and strength = believe every word HE has spoken.

The problem is probably the ability to actually love me as a person who believes in Christ in a way that is radically different than your own. Your continued persistence and others are in line to suggest I need to change in which you are all in the right.

However your not the judge; God will be the judge on how I handle not only beliefs but also my life for serving him and serving others by the spirit.

People can be biased and prejudice also can have their faith threatened if something like the promised return has been fulfilled.


Look all us are gonna meet Jesus one day after this life; he lives forever and that will be your return experience I suppose.

Cause I don’t look at the world to see if Jesus is coming, I look at the word and see the promised he said to come back and believe it; with no evidence to prove other that the words of Jesus and his apostles.

 

[David in NJ]

Oh. That is in subject to reading and considering the audience of the time.

people are free to believe and decide for themselves how they are gonna see and read the Bible.


I promise you this is that you don’t have any authority but God to address when it comes down to that individual relationship. Of course Christian’s are also called to respect those in authority but God is the final one; and he is the judge of the heart.

So just because I can’t answer some questions and I seem like I am weak and an argument is won; that doesn’t really mean anyone wins, if you can love at the end of the day.

It is not about winning an argument. It is about Truth versus error.

Did you know that there is a spirit of error that goes throughout the world to deceive, even using God's words to do this!

Read Matthew 4:1-11

 

[MatthewG]

It is not about winning an argument. It is about Truth versus error.

Did you know that there is a spirit of error that goes throughout the world to deceive, even using God's words to do this!

Read Matthew 4:1-11

For some people it’s so they can have their belief system. Which can be broke down, the writer of Hebrews talks about it.

I don’t believe to be in error by trusting Jesus and his apostles about his return. But if I disagree with you; we are in error together because of differences of a stance.

Can you love me anyways is the question ? Or do you need to beat me with an iron rod to submit to what you think I should believe @David in NJ ?

 

[David in NJ]

The problem is probably the ability to actually love me as a person who believes in Christ in a way that is radically different than your own. Your continued persistence and others are in line to suggest I need to change in which you are all in the right.

However your not the judge; God will be the judge on how I handle not only beliefs but also my life for serving him and serving others by the spirit.

People can be biased and prejudice also can have their faith threatened if something like the promised return has been fulfilled.


Look all us are gonna meet Jesus one day after this life; he lives forever and that will be your return experience I suppose.

Cause I don’t look at the world to see if Jesus is coming, I look at the word and see the promised he said to come back and believe it; with no evidence to prove other that the words of Jesus and his apostles.

No one has judged you here for your faith in that Christ died for your sins and HE alone is your judge.

We are judging the lie of 'full preterism' that speaks against the Clear and Undeniable Truth of His Second Coming and the Resurrection of the Saints.

By refusing His Second Coming, just as HE promised will Come, will only rob you of knowing Christ more - lies divide.

 

[rwb]

people are free to believe and decide for themselves how they are gonna see and read the Bible.


I promise you this is that you don’t have any authority but God to address when it comes down to that individual relationship. Of course Christian’s are also called to respect those in authority but God is the final one; and he is the judge of the heart.

So just because I can’t answer some questions and I seem like I am weak and an argument is won; that doesn’t really mean anyone wins, if you can love at the end of the day.

Sadly Matthew, what it most likely means is that you are being led, and have not become as the Bereans. If you have no answer for inconsistencies in your doctrine it should tell you the doctrine you espouse may not be truth.

Acts 17:10 (KJV) And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews.
Acts 17:11 (KJV) These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.