A FEW QUICK COMMENTS ON FULFILLMENT ESCHATOLOGY

[David in NJ]

God bless you friend, you’re being really nice which is cool.

Yes that chapter is good one on the resurrection.

People die today are rose again because of Jesus, and his victory. Believer and non believer he promised it to be so, resurrection of the condemned and those of life.

Most people don’t accept his total victory over, sin, death, Satan, hell, today.

100% Brother = 100% Truth you say here

 

[MatthewG]

i have NEVER denied that the LORD came in the flesh = "the WORD became flesh and dwelt among us"

JESUS died and Rose from the Grave/Tomb and HE said HE is Coming Again = as do the Apostles and OT Prophets.

For you to deny the words of God is a deception from the evil one that you are under.

We who love you are here to help and BLESS you in His Truth = His word is Truth.

Whoa what is with all this “deny the words of God” accusations man.

You must have some type problem with me and the problems and it’s all because I believe Jesus over you, or the other guy who tried to get me to believe differently.

 

[David in NJ]

Whoa what is with all this “deny the words of God” accusations man.

You must have a problem with me and the problems and it’s all because I believe Jesus over you, or the other guy who tried to get me to believe differently.

Dear Brother, you currently deny the words of the LORD whereby HE said HE is Coming Again just as HE left = Acts chapter 1
and 1 Thess & 2 Thess and Gospels and 1 John and Hebrews and Revelation

 

[MatthewG]

David you waiting for Jesus return brother? I love you and hope you see it.

Perhaps in death that is really when; but yea I believe people are resurrected today and not waiting in the grace as some people may say until Jesus return.

That just seems foolish to me; but I love people either way.

 

[MatthewG]

Dear Brother, you currently deny the words the LORD whereby HE said HE is Coming Again just as HE left = Acts chapter 1
and 1 Thess & 2 Thess and Gospels and 1 John and Hebrews and Revelation

Yeah, no I believe he promised to come that generation of people don’t you get it?

I believe in the promise return of Christ in their age; but I believe it by faith.

So I can’t prove a damn thing to ya my brother. I can say it all day though, and it my heart I believe it.

Most people waiting to Jesus come and watch the world burn sometimes for some people.

 

[David in NJ]

David you waiting for Jesus return brother? I love you and hope you see it.

Perhaps in death that is really when; but yea I believe people are resurrected today and not waiting in the grace as some people may say until Jesus return.

That just seems foolish to me; but I love people either way.

BORN-AGAIN by the SPIRIT of GOD = 100% resurrection of our spirit only

Do you deny that Lazarus and Jesus had a physical bodily resurrection from the grave?

 

[MatthewG]

Either way you’re waiting and that is okay and you think I need to be like corrected or something; I wanna tell ya your gonna lost that battle; but perhaps you are report me for saying something wrong in what had been documented and they can ban me again over something that is believed ; that I don’t even say you must believe or your not made right with God.

@David in NJ.

 

[MatthewG]

I believe Jesus was raised up in the same body he die with, and he was seen by people and it was the picture that when we leave this life we will be resurrected; but as you pointed out resurrection chapter 15, Paul makes it know that what will be coming is our spiritually bodies, given by God.

What’s the problem? Do you believe the same thing?

All these little nick picks are simply over belief.

Why do you care about what I believe @David in NJ; will that make you know if I am a Christian or not?

 

[David in NJ]

i have to go now

if you truly love God - then please read and pray for understanding in this Ephesians chapter 1

Pay special attention to this:

In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory

 

[MatthewG]

Bye, no doubt the spirit is given to the believer. Have a good one.

 

[David in NJ]

I believe Jesus was raised up in the same body he die with, and he was seen by people and it was the picture that when we leave this life we will be resurrected; but as you pointed out resurrection chapter 15, Paul makes it know that what will be coming is our spiritually bodies, given by God.

What’s the problem?

We ONLY recieve our Glorified Transformed Bodies at His Second Coming which is the Resurrection of the dead in Christ.

The whole chapter 15 is all about those who died in Faith will be physically resurrected at the Return of Christ.

 

[WPM]

You have to understand one other thing is that revelation 21-22 are pictures and types of what heaven is like.

You already should know that I believe the last days are over; I also believe the Jewish Age that was under the old covenant was divorced at its destruction and God married his bride in which he established new heavenly Jerusalem. Now people live in a new age, the age of fulfillment, here on earth since the day of Christ returning.

People make their decisions eating from the tree of life or the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

Why these questions?

Do you believe time is no more? You keep ducking around that question.

So what age do we currently live in now if it is not "the last days"?

 

[MatthewG]

We ONLY recieve our Glorified Transformed Bodies at His Second Coming which is the Resurrection of the dead in Christ.

The whole chapter 15 is all about those who died in Faith will be physically resurrected at the Return of Christ.

I disagree, but love you either way. I don’t hate anyone on here and even if they don’t believe like I do, I’m not here to judge. Just share information.

 

[rwb]

Therefore you may suggest this is also nonsensical that is fine. I don’t plan on moving anywhere; and it’s up to you decide for yourself and it’s by faith I believe those Christian’s did see Christ even though I have no “statement” to back it up other than faith and that is not a statement.

This is a most absurd and ridiculous statement! You're not standing upon biblical faith clearly defined in Scripture. The faith you possess is not in Christ, but in your idea of what you think Christ should be. Historical true Christian faith is not dependent upon physical fulfillment, but is in fact dependent upon things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

Hebrews 11:1 (KJV) Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

Your Preteristic faith, as you have defined is dependent upon evidence of things not hoped for, but rather relies upon thigs already seen, already fulfilled. Your faith, like your doctrine is not derived from Scripture. It comes from the mind of men/women who have not true biblical faith.

 

[David in NJ]

Bye, no doubt the spirit is given to the believer. Have a good one.

ONLY our spirits are sealed by the Holy Spirit = NOT our dying decaying physical bodies.

Now you run from the Truth - that is not love.

 

[MatthewG]

Do you believe time is no more? You keep ducking around that question.

So what age do we currently live in now if it is not "the last days"?

Age of fulfilment and yes time exist, do you go to your job to work at a certain hour ?

 

[WPM]

Faith is something believed on and never seen, with hope abounding.

Amazing we even believe God rose Jesus from the dead my Guy.

It’s all in his message but people I guess miss it… I don’t know even with suggesting reading the Gospels again.

I’m the one who is the heretic and should be shunned and shamed with chicken feathers even right, my guy? Look at the loony.

I don’t have any judgment to make other than people who won’t consider what the Gospel has to say for that time period, is foolishness.

It’s better for me to be seen as foolish; and to be foolish for Christ and his victory now today, in my opinion, @WPM. It’s not about pleasing people.

When is creation delivered from the bondage of corruption – all the result of the fall?

 

[MatthewG]

This is a most absurd and ridiculous statement! You're not standing upon biblical faith clearly defined in Scripture. The faith you possess is not in Christ, but in your idea of what you think Christ should be. Historical true Christian faith is not dependent upon physical fulfillment, but is in fact dependent upon things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

Hebrews 11:1 (KJV) Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

Your Preteristic faith, as you have defined is dependent upon evidence of things not hoped for, but rather relies upon thigs already seen, already fulfilled. Your faith, like your doctrine is not derived from Scripture. It comes from the mind of men/women who have not true biblical faith.

Thanks for sharing people may share all they want to, and whatever.

My faith in Jesus and believing he did not lie nor the apostles lie to the people that were written to that was expressed to watch and wait.

So it’s the Bible and what the narrative states that is been stated here.

But people don’t answer this question,

Did Jesus lie to those people?
Did the apostle and John the beloved who wrote to the seven churches lie about the return?

And if that is the case the Bible is a shame and highly suspect to be abused and manipulate people.

 

[rwb]

You can continue to believe Jesus is coming; I don’t and that doesn’t mean I’m lost or anything; I am simply firm on my stances and don’t plan on changing my mind.

Of course you don't! Because you have NOT true biblical faith! Sadly your reliance is in whatever your mind concieves, and is not dependent upon true biblical faith.

 

[MatthewG]

When is creation delivered from the bondage of corruption – all the result of the fall?

Why?