A FEW QUICK COMMENTS ON FULFILLMENT ESCHATOLOGY

[MatthewG]

Boy that sure is a lot to live up too.

The Christian can become poor and grow strong in spirit but once there flesh arises they can fall back down to being poor.

There is a on-going process for people who seek after the things of God.

To keep his word is to love God first above all else and to love your neighbor as yourself.

Much respect to you and peers who collectively seek active relationship with God through faith and to live by the spirit.

 

[WPM]

A FEW QUICK COMMENTS ON FULFILLMENT ESCHATOLOGY : From Revelation 20 Commentary - which can be sourced here - Publication | CollectionCommentary on Revelations on Revelation Volumes 1-22 | cult (sharing only four pages if I got past these two)

Full preterism is the view that the consummation of everything discussed in the Old and New Testaments is complete, having occurred in 70 AD at the destruction of Jerusalem.

For a full preterist, the “last days” are the last days of the Mosaic Covenant, contained in the (brief ) period between Christ’s ascension and His (spiritual) Parousia (or return) and completed with reward and judgment upon Israel. During that time, the whole (Jewish and Roman) “world” was evangelized, the fullness of ethnic Israel came in, the antichrist (i.e., Nero) arose to power, and the Great Tribulation (which lead up to Titus’ invasion of the Great City Jerusalem) occurred. Then in 70 AD, the actual Parousia (or return of Christ as promised) took place, and the last judgment of all took place. This also initiated the resurrection of the dead.

Unlike most full preterists, I submit that this all took place actu- ally and physically, whereas most full preterists believe it all took place spiritually instead of physically. At this time, the Kingdom (in its spiritual fullness) appeared with the new heavens and the new earth arriving (spiritually) with the New Jerusalem (as
1

opposed to the OLD) being established in heaven rather than on earth.
Since then, according to full preterists, believers, at their death, are spiritually resurrected into the kingdom world to come; unbe- lievers, at their death, are resurrected into the lake of fire: spiritu- ally, rather than physically. I tend to believe that the lake of fire is a purgative and temporary passing-through of any or all souls seeking entrance into the Kingdom of Heaven above instead of a punitive destination. I suggest this because it is “in the presence of the Lamb and His angels” and because it was made for Satan and his angels – and not Man.

People wonder, “Well, what lies ahead for the physical remains of the saints like you and I and/or for our sin-cursed earth?” To me, what lies ahead is what has lied behind for 2000 years. God call- ing, true-seekers responding, and God adding to His Kingdom Sons and Daughters while the faithless will enter a heavenly realm that is outside the walls of the New Jerusalem, which appear to be some sort of realm of darkness.

The Kingdom then, from this view, is the direct reign of God through Christ, by the Spirit - in and through those who are His Sons and Daughters. This Kingdom is entered into through faith in Christ and is, in essence, the promise of the Eternal Covenant.

Critics of full preterism maintain that the last days are not the last days of the Mosaic Covenant, but rather these are the days in which the New Covenant has been manifested in the earth. These suggest that these last days all began at Christ’s incarnation and will conclude at His parousia, which awaits the world. Let’s talk for a minute about partial preterism...

Regarding chapters 1-19, partial preterists are in accord with full preterists: all are focused on the Jewish/Roman persecution of the Church, the rise of the beast (Nero), and the Destruction of

This is heretical nonsesne and should be banned here. Every other Christian forum I know bans this heresy.

 

[David in NJ]

Boy that sure is a lot to live up too.

The Christian can become poor and grow strong in spirit but once there flesh arises they can fall back down to being poor.

There is a on-going process for people who seek after the things of God.

To keep his word is to love God first above all else and to love your neighbor as yourself.

Much respect to you and peers who collectively seek active relationship with God through faith and to live by the spirit.

You said: "To keep his word is to love God first above all else and to love your neighbor as yourself."
i say AMEN with you

You said: "Full preterism is the view that the consummation of everything discussed in the Old and New Testaments is complete, having occurred in 70 AD at the destruction of Jerusalem."

Since you are my neighbor, i would like to take this opportunity in love to say that preterism is a lie and you should reject that lie.

If we desire Truth, we must believe every word that proceeds from the Mouth of God = Matthew 4:4

The LORD has not yet Returned and the Resurrection of those dead bodies of the Saints that have died since Genesis on forward are still sleeping in the earth waiting for the DAY of Resurrection = His Second Coming.

1 Thessalonians 4:13-18
Brothers, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you will not grieve like the rest, who are without hope. For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, we also believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in Him.

By the word of the Lord, we declare to you that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will be the first to rise. After that, we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord.

Therefore encourage one another with these words.

 

[WPM]

A FEW QUICK COMMENTS ON FULFILLMENT ESCHATOLOGY : From Revelation 20 Commentary - which can be sourced here - Publication | CollectionCommentary on Revelations on Revelation Volumes 1-22 | cult (sharing only four pages if I got past these two)

Full preterism is the view that the consummation of everything discussed in the Old and New Testaments is complete, having occurred in 70 AD at the destruction of Jerusalem.

For a full preterist, the “last days” are the last days of the Mosaic Covenant, contained in the (brief ) period between Christ’s ascension and His (spiritual) Parousia (or return) and completed with reward and judgment upon Israel. During that time, the whole (Jewish and Roman) “world” was evangelized, the fullness of ethnic Israel came in, the antichrist (i.e., Nero) arose to power, and the Great Tribulation (which lead up to Titus’ invasion of the Great City Jerusalem) occurred. Then in 70 AD, the actual Parousia (or return of Christ as promised) took place, and the last judgment of all took place. This also initiated the resurrection of the dead.

Unlike most full preterists, I submit that this all took place actu- ally and physically, whereas most full preterists believe it all took place spiritually instead of physically. At this time, the Kingdom (in its spiritual fullness) appeared with the new heavens and the new earth arriving (spiritually) with the New Jerusalem (as
1

opposed to the OLD) being established in heaven rather than on earth.
Since then, according to full preterists, believers, at their death, are spiritually resurrected into the kingdom world to come; unbe- lievers, at their death, are resurrected into the lake of fire: spiritu- ally, rather than physically. I tend to believe that the lake of fire is a purgative and temporary passing-through of any or all souls seeking entrance into the Kingdom of Heaven above instead of a punitive destination. I suggest this because it is “in the presence of the Lamb and His angels” and because it was made for Satan and his angels – and not Man.

People wonder, “Well, what lies ahead for the physical remains of the saints like you and I and/or for our sin-cursed earth?” To me, what lies ahead is what has lied behind for 2000 years. God call- ing, true-seekers responding, and God adding to His Kingdom Sons and Daughters while the faithless will enter a heavenly realm that is outside the walls of the New Jerusalem, which appear to be some sort of realm of darkness.

The Kingdom then, from this view, is the direct reign of God through Christ, by the Spirit - in and through those who are His Sons and Daughters. This Kingdom is entered into through faith in Christ and is, in essence, the promise of the Eternal Covenant.

Critics of full preterism maintain that the last days are not the last days of the Mosaic Covenant, but rather these are the days in which the New Covenant has been manifested in the earth. These suggest that these last days all began at Christ’s incarnation and will conclude at His parousia, which awaits the world. Let’s talk for a minute about partial preterism...

Regarding chapters 1-19, partial preterists are in accord with full preterists: all are focused on the Jewish/Roman persecution of the Church, the rise of the beast (Nero), and the Destruction of

1Ti 1:19-20: "Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck: Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme."

What was their great error?

2Ti 2:17-19: "And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus; Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some. Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity."

Hymenaeus and Philetus argued that the physical resurrection had already occurred. This was creating confusion with the Church. Confusion is not off the Lord, but the enemy. The fact is: the resurrection will occur at the second coming!

That is why Bible believing Christians reject Full Preterism as heresy!

 

[MatthewG]

None of this is my work.

This is the work of someone else who took time and did research.

Just because people believe that Jesus did not come in the generation he promised is not something I put into your own mind.

This subject does deal with Fulfillment Eschatology; but none of it is mine, @David in NJ it is information to consider.

No one has to believe any of it; I do because of Jesus… and the promise to that generation. Most people do not, and that is not something I am willingly to dog anyone about cause,

I don’t care what people hold as their personal held beliefs, @WPM.

If people only have hope and it only reside in Jesus returning, that is not a good hope; because it was not a hope for your own generation. But if you want to by all means go ahead; as I will love you either way but stand on Him already returning rather than waiting; and experience new life spiritual through Christ.

Therefore,

To consider the contents in the Bible, old and new; and consider history, and the audience and you will realize you’re not there walking around being talked to, or addressed in the letters.

That doesn’t mean there is not anything to learn or gain from the scripture. I’m adamant for people to read and learn the scripture because it builds on your faith when hearing the word.

 

[WPM]

None of this is my work.

This is the work of someone else who took time and did research.

Just because people believe that Jesus did not come in the generation he promised is not something I put into your own mind.

This subject does deal with Fulfillment Eschatology; but none of it is mine, @David in NJ it is information to consider.

No one has to believe any of it; I do because of Jesus… and the promise to that generation. Most people do not, and that is not something I am willingly to dog anyone about cause,

I don’t care what people hold as their personal held beliefs, @WPM.

If people only have hope and it only reside in Jesus returning, that is not a good hope; because it was not a hope for your own generation. But if you want to by all means go ahead; as I will love you either way but stand on Him already returning rather than waiting; and experience new life spiritual through Christ.

Therefore,

To consider the contents in the Bible, old and new; and consider history, and the audience and you will realize you’re not there walking around being talked to, or addressed in the letters.

That doesn’t mean there is not anything to learn or gain from the scripture. I’m adamant for people to read and learn the scripture because it builds on your faith when hearing the word.

Are you saying the coming of Christ, the physical resurrection of mankind and the judgement of all have already occurred? Are you saying the heavens and earth have passed away? Are you saying we are now in the new heavens and new earth?

 

[MatthewG]

1Ti 1:19-20: "Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck: Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme."

What was their great error?

2Ti 2:17-19: "And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus; Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some. Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity."

Hymenaeus and Philetus argued that the physical resurrection had already occurred. This was creating confusion with the Church. Confusion is not off the Lord, but the enemy. The fact is: the resurrection will occur at the second coming!

That is why Bible believing Christians reject Full Preterism as heresy!

Sure that was statements from people in the past who were already claiming it; and the wrath of God had not yet occurred so I don’t see Jesus returning as they were suggesting just yet; the biggest indication is more along the lines of revelation which suggest that when the letter was sent to the churches this was the time when Jesus would return; during that wrath of God which would come upon Jerusalem and it was demolished as promised by Jesus; and I believe those who were going through those times when the wrath fell out; those watching and waiting and looking for Jesus to return saw him physically; and there is no evidence to prove that this did happen (people seeing Jesus) but by faith I believe he did come back those first Christian who were the bride of Christ saving and changing them in the twinkle of the eye.

Therefore you may suggest this is also nonsensical that is fine. I don’t plan on moving anywhere; and it’s up to you decide for yourself and it’s by faith I believe those Christian’s did see Christ even though I have no “statement” to back it up other than faith and that is not a statement.

That is a trusting that Jesus and the apostles were true to their word and Jesus did come in that day; or the Bible is sham and Jesus lied to those people then, and the apostles did then too.

If you wanna learn more I encourage you to go and check out more about fulfillment eschatology, or not.

 

[David in NJ]

None of this is my work.

This is the work of someone else who took time and did research.

Just because people believe that Jesus did not come in the generation he promised is not something I put into your own mind.

This subject does deal with Fulfillment Eschatology; but none of it is mine, @David in NJ it is information to consider.

No one has to believe any of it; I do because of Jesus… and the promise to that generation. Most people do not, and that is not something I am willingly to dog anyone about cause,

I don’t care what people hold as their personal held beliefs, @WPM.

If people only have hope and it only reside in Jesus returning, that is not a good hope; because it was not a hope for your own generation.

Therefore,

To consider the contents in the Bible, old and new; and consider history, and the audience and you will realize you’re not there walking around being talked to, or addressed in the letters.

That doesn’t mean there is not anything to learn or gain from the scripture.

Now this is WONDERFUL NEWS from you!!!

Now, since you say: "To keep his word is to love God first above all else and to love your neighbor as yourself."

Today, you can hear His Voice speaking in His Word if you open your heart and Lift UP in praise the LORD Jesus Christ.

1 Corinthians chapter 15
Now if Christ is preached that He has been raised from the dead, how do some among you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? But if there is no resurrection of the dead, then Christ is not risen. And if Christ is not risen, then our preaching is empty and your faith is also empty. Yes, and we are found false witnesses of God, because we have testified of God that He raised up Christ, whom He did not raise up—if in fact the dead do not rise. For if the dead do not rise, then Christ is not risen. And if Christ is not risen, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins! Then also those who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men the most pitiable.

But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep.
For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead.
For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be(future tense) made alive.
But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming.

Love the LORD Jesus above all else and believe His words MatthewG

 

[WPM]

Sure that was statements from people in the past who were already claiming it; and the wrath of God had not yet occurred so I don’t see Jesus returning as they were suggesting just yet; the biggest indication is more along the lines of revelation which suggest that when the letter was sent to the churches this was the time when Jesus would return; during that wrath of God which would come upon Jerusalem and it was demolished as promised by Jesus; and I believe those who were going through those times when the wrath fell out; those watching and waiting and looking for Jesus to return saw him physically; and there is no evidence to prove that this did happen (people seeing Jesus) but by faith I believe he did come back those first Christian who were the bride of Christ saving and changing them in the twinkle of the eye.

Therefore you may suggest this is also nonsensical that is fine. I don’t plan on moving anywhere; and it’s up to you decide for yourself and it’s by faith I believe those Christian’s did see Christ even though I have no “statement” to back it up other than faith and that is not a statement.

That is a trusting that Jesus and the apostles were true to their word and Jesus did come in that day; or the Bible is sham and Jesus lied to those people then, and the apostles did then too.

If you wanna learn more I encourage you to go and check out more about fulfillment eschatology, or not.

Preterists are fixated with Titus and AD70. That is all they want to talk about. It is a grievous doctrine. It takes the focus away from Christ, His victorious ministry and His glorious second coming and it brings the attention to AD70. Sad!

Context proves that the phrase “this generation” relates to those alive before Christ’s one final future climactic coming. It has nothing to do with first century events or AD70. Jesus was talking about events preceding His climactic future coming at the end of this age.

 

[MatthewG]

Now this is WONDERFUL NEWS from you!!!

Now, since you say: "To keep his word is to love God first above all else and to love your neighbor as yourself."

Today, you can hear His Voice speaking in His Word if you open your heart and Lift UP in praise the LORD Jesus Christ.

Now if Christ is preached that He has been raised from the dead, how do some among you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? But if there is no resurrection of the dead, then Christ is not risen. And if Christ is not risen, then our preaching is empty and your faith is also empty. Yes, and we are found false witnesses of God, because we have testified of God that He raised up Christ, whom He did not raise up—if in fact the dead do not rise. For if the dead do not rise, then Christ is not risen. And if Christ is not risen, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins! Then also those who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men the most pitiable.

But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep.
For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead.
For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be(future tense) made alive.
But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming.

Love the LORD Jesus above all else and believe His words MatthewG

I don’t why you continue to assume you need to tell me these things.

Everyone who dies today are resurrected.

And the Bible quotes are written to specific people. You can continue to go that route but it’s useless.

You can continue to believe Jesus is coming; I don’t and that doesn’t mean I’m lost or anything; I am simply firm on my stances and don’t plan on changing my mind.

When I was a first a Christian I believed Jesus was coming but not anymore; the spirit of Christ is with me and one day from this life and having faith and having love towards God my hope is to join up with the family of believers in heaven like Abraham, Isaac and Jacob? And eat with them maybe go out the gates and share Christ with those out there.

Idk what anyone else hope is, along with God to be with those who hate, and are in need of light to pray for all people and to love.

Irrespective of doctrines.

 

[MatthewG]

Preterists are fixated with Titus and AD70. That is all they want to talk about. It is a grievous doctrine. It takes the focus away from Christ, His victorious ministry and His glorious second coming and it brings the attention to AD70. Sad!

Context proves that the phrase “this generation” relates to those alive before Christ’s one final future climactic coming. It has nothing to do with first century events or AD70. Jesus was talking about events preceding His climactic future coming at the end of this age.

People may suggest as they want.

Taking out Jesus return for modern people today might not put people on the edge of their seat with Satan and demons being around today from what they preach.

And it’s not like you hate me cause you disagree you just don’t like the stance or can’t grasp the idea; but hey,

Jesus was the one that talked about coming in that day but hey some people also think Jesus Christ was a fool.

 

[WPM]

I don’t why you continue to assume you need to tell me these things.

Everyone who dies today are resurrected.

And the Bible quotes are written to specific people. You can continue to go that route but it’s useless.

You can continue to believe Jesus is coming; I don’t and that doesn’t mean I’m lost or anything; I am simply firm on my stances and don’t plan on changing my mind.

When I was a first a Christian I believed Jesus was coming but not anymore; the spirit of Christ is with me and one day from this life and having faith and having love towards God my hope is to join up with the family of believers in heaven like Abraham, Isaac and Jacob? And eat with them maybe go out the gates and share Christ with those out there.

Idk what anyone else hope is, along with God to be with those who hate, and are in need of light to pray for all people and to love.

Irrespective of doctrines.

So, when do the wicked cease from perpetrating their evil? When does Satan cease from operating on earth? When is sin eliminated? When is death eliminated?

 

[WPM]

People may suggest as they want.

Taking out Jesus return for modern people today might not put people on the edge of their seat with Satan and demons being around today from what they preach.

And it’s not like you hate me cause you disagree you just don’t like the stance or can’t grasp the idea; but hey,

Jesus was the one that talked about coming in that day but hey some people also think Jesus Christ was a fool.

G1074 (Thayer)

γενεά

genea

Thayer Definition:

1) fathered, birth, nativity
2) that which has been begotten, men of the same stock, a family
2a) the several ranks of natural descent, the successive members of a genealogy
2b) metaphorically a group of men very like each other in endowments, pursuits, character
2b1) especially in a bad sense, a perverse nation
3) the whole multitude of men living at the same time
4) an age (i.e. the time ordinarily occupied be each successive generation), a space of 30 - 33 years

Because you are so sold on Preterism and the coming of Titus in AD70 you cannot think genea is anything other than 40 years. To others it can also mean an age or a race, all depending on the context.

Thayer outlines the different meanings of the word, most of which do not fit your doctrine. The passages attached to the meanings are total speculation on his part, no weightier than your or my speculations. Other Lexicons may differ in their opinion. You are building your position on man, not what it says. Anyway, the whole context is the second coming. Even if it meant a literal generation, as you argue, it relates to the generation at the end, not 2000 years ago.

 

[MatthewG]

So, when do the wicked cease from perpetrating their evil? When does Satan cease from operating on earth? When is sin eliminated? When is death eliminated?

You and me are both evil. Jesus is the light that helps the darkness of the soul. Sin was taken care of and finished and the cross and his return was the acceptance of his blood which mean it was accepted. Though we all have sinned; a born again believer starts to live by the spirit and die to the old man with Christ, and the resurrection of Christ is the signature of the newness of becoming a Child of God.

Our fleshly bodies die and the soul is resurrected into a spiritual body, either condemned or one filled with life which is given by God upon leaving this life. The death that has been take care of is spiritual death; which one becomes spiritually alive in Christ.

Satan is done away with today.

You make your own decisions to do evil towards either God or your neighbors; and it has nothing to do with Satan.


But look you may think this man is lost, he is a heretics there is no way this person has a relationship with God….

I just decide how I believe with my faith being in Christ victory, and that leaves a lot of room for freedom and perhaps my answers are wrong and you wanna answer them for me.

I don’t mind either way.

 

[MatthewG]

G1074 (Thayer)

γενεά

genea

Thayer Definition:

1) fathered, birth, nativity
2) that which has been begotten, men of the same stock, a family
2a) the several ranks of natural descent, the successive members of a genealogy
2b) metaphorically a group of men very like each other in endowments, pursuits, character
2b1) especially in a bad sense, a perverse nation
3) the whole multitude of men living at the same time
4) an age (i.e. the time ordinarily occupied be each successive generation), a space of 30 - 33 years

Because you are so sold on Preterism and the coming of Titus in AD70 you cannot think genea is anything other than 40 years. To others it can also mean an age or a race, all depending on the context.

Thayer outlines the different meanings of the word, most of which do not fit your doctrine. The passages attached to the meanings are total speculation on his part, no weightier than your or my speculations. Other Lexicons may differ in their opinion. You are building your position on man, not what it says. Anyway, the whole context is the second coming. Even if it meant a literal generation, as you argue, it relates to the generation at the end, not 2000 years ago.

Sorry if it is a problem for you. You’ll have to get over it. My position is on Jesus and his apostles not bsing the people they wrote to and encouraged.

 

[WPM]

You and me are both evil. Jesus is the light that helps the darkness of the soul. Sin was taken care of and finished and the cross and his return was the acceptance of his blood which mean it was accepted. Though we all have sinned; a born again believer starts to live by the spirit and die to the old man with Christ, and the resurrection of Christ is the signature of the newness of becoming a Child of God.

Our fleshly bodies die and the soul is resurrected into a spiritual body, either condemned or one filled with life which is given by God upon leaving this life. The death that has been take care of is spiritual death; which one becomes spiritually alive in Christ.

Satan is done away with today.

You make your own decisions to do evil towards either God or your neighbors; and it has nothing to do with Satan.


But look you may think this man is lost, he is a heretics there is no way this person has a relationship with God….

I just decide how I believe with my faith being in Christ victory, and that leaves a lot of room for freedom and perhaps my answers are wrong and you wanna answer them for me.

I don’t mind either way.

Do you believe the last days are over? Do you believe the last day has occurred? Do you believe time is no more?

Do you still have a watch on your wrist? Do you still have a calendar? Does the sun still rise and fall every day?

 

[WPM]

Sorry if it is a problem for you. You’ll have to get over it. My position is on Jesus and his apostles not bsing the people they wrote to and encouraged.

Do you have an inability to address the facts? Please address.

 

[MatthewG]

The end of the age is what Jesus told his 4 disciples on the mount when they came to ask him what would the end of the age look like, kjv says world.

Yes I don’t believe we live in the last days either.

There will be the last days of our lives.

I believe the Last days started in Acts Chapter 2 with Peter proclamation of fulfilment as the last days started then, never today.

 

[David in NJ]

"To keep his word is to love God first above all else and to love your neighbor as yourself."I don’t why you continue to assume you need to tell me these things.

Everyone who dies today are resurrected.

And the Bible quotes are written to specific people. You can continue to go that route but it’s useless.

You can continue to believe Jesus is coming; I don’t and that doesn’t mean I’m lost or anything; I am simply firm on my stances and don’t plan on changing my mind.

When I was a first a Christian I believed Jesus was coming but not anymore; the spirit of Christ is with me and one day from this life and having faith and having love towards God my hope is to join up with the family of believers in heaven like Abraham, Isaac and Jacob? And eat with them maybe go out the gates and share Christ with those out there.

Idk what anyone else hope is, along with God to be with those who hate, and are in need of light to pray for all people and to love.

Irrespective of doctrines.

You told me you believe this = ""To keep his word is to love God first above all else and to love your neighbor as yourself."

Now you are telling me you don't!!! Why did you lie to me?

TRUTH - When we are Born-Again by the Spirit of God only our dead spirit/soul is resurrected unto Life in Christ.

TRUTH - Unless the LORD Returns soon, your physical body, and mine, will die and go back to sleep in the dust of the earth from where it came from.

TRUTH - John chapter 11
Then Martha, as soon as she heard that Jesus was coming, went and met Him, but Mary was sitting in the house. Now Martha said to Jesus, “Lord, if You had been here, my brother would not have died. But even now I know that whatever You ask of God, God will give You.”

Jesus said to her, “Your brother will rise again.”

Martha said to Him, “I know that he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day.”

Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live. And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?”


TRUTH - Hebrews 9:28 , 1 Thessalonians 1:10

And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment, so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many.
To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation.

and to wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, even Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come.

 

[MatthewG]

Do you have an inability to address the facts? Please address.

I didn’t have to address anything you pointed out, there was no reason too.

You told me you believe this = ""To keep his word is to love God first above all else and to love your neighbor as yourself."

Now you are telling me you don't!!! Why did you lie to me?

TRUTH - When we are Born-Again by the Spirit of God only our dead spirit/soul is resurrected unto Life in Christ.

TRUTH - Unless the LORD Returns soon, your physical body, and mine, will die and go back to sleep in the dust of the earth from where it came from.

TRUTH - John chapter 11
Then Martha, as soon as she heard that Jesus was coming, went and met Him, but Mary was sitting in the house. Now Martha said to Jesus, “Lord, if You had been here, my brother would not have died. But even now I know that whatever You ask of God, God will give You.”

Jesus said to her, “Your brother will rise again.”

Martha said to Him, “I know that he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day.”

Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live. And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?”


TRUTH - Hebrews 9:28 , 1 Thessalonians 1:10

And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment, so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many.
To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation.

and to wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, even Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come.

Idk what your talking about my guy.