I wish that were the case for me. Garanteed salvation would be pleasant. What I believe is that I fall short of the perfection of the savior. I am a sinner and I ask God for mercy on me a sinner. The same preferred method is spelled out by Jesus in the parable of the Tax Collector and Pharisee.
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It is the case for you, you have admitted you're a sinner before God in that very post, you have asked God for His mercy as a sinner. That results in one thing, my Brother, you have justified before God and gloriously saved by His amazing Grace.
Listen to what Jesus said of this man and see if you have anything in common with him.
Luke 18:13-14
And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted."
Well I do love the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost. And with his spirit he has shown me how to love others as well. So maybe I can be saved? I sure hope so. But I work out my salvation with fear and trembling. Philippians 2:12.
Don't let the Judaizers of this present day steal your salvation, Brother!
Eph. 1:13
"In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,"
Eternally Grateful
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If we know we fall short. Then we can know. If we believe, That God will save us
it is when we fail to realise we fall short. Or water down the law that we are in trouble.
Eternally Grateful
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You can;t work enough to earn salvation. In that passage Paul said to work out the salvation you have thats in you. So you are not seen as a hypocrite. And lose your light.. in which case God can not work through you//
He is not saying to earn salvation by working
ButterflyJones
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Yes, it is.
Salvation is only secured forever at the end of this life, and only those that obey Him will, receive it.
Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
Faith alone is dead without works of obedience and saves not man, irrevocably or revocably. Such salvation doesn't exist, except in the imaginations of peoples' own faith alone.
God just said so. Faith alone is dead. God never says anywhere that any man is saved by grace through faith alone.
OSAS salvation by faith alone is false.
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And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
God is still charging, reproving, and condemning any and all sin committed by sinners in the world, whether Christian, Jew, Muslim, Atheist....
True. We must receive Him to have power of God to become sons of God doing His will only. No one while sinning is receiving Him, nor doing His will. Claiming to not be condemned for sinning, while others are condemned for sinning, is the worst hypocrisy the Jews in the OT and Christians in the NT have ever come up with.
And do the word, and not be a believer and hearer only.
True. The work of God in Jesus Christ was to convince the world, that Jesus is the only true Christ and Savior of God for man.
Those that do believe Him, obey Him. Those disobeying Him, aren't believing Him.
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True. Not through faith alone. Faith alone can save no man, except in their vain imaginations.
ButterflyJones
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Work hard. And hope you earned heaven.
Don't claim God said that. He never did.
Because your theology is in error I'll leave you to it
But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Only those obeying the faith, doctrine, and gospel of Jesus Christ, are abiding in the faith, doctrine, and gospel of Jesus Christ.
No one doing unrighteousness is abiding in Christ, but is sinning with the devil.
And do the will of God and sin no more.
If we do sin, then we still can come to the advocate of the Father and be forgiven, washed, sanctified, and saved: all is renewable if we confess our sin with godly sorrow and renew repentance as at the first.
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Yes He did. The Scriptures I quote are what He says.
Thanks. And I'll leave you with your gospel of being irrevocably saved by your faith alone.
True. This is a good definition of willful sin: wilfully unrepented sinning.
God can't forgive those wilfully refusing His help of grace to repent of their sinning.
Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
If we do fall into temptation and sin, we can be forgiven by confession and repentance. But if we wilfully refuse to repent and continue in the sinning, then there is no grace, faith, sacrifice, forgiveness, nor salvation from the sinning unto death.
Not 'a' law keeper, but the law of Christ keeper. As well as commandments, doctrine, faith, and word of Christ.
They're all the same one gospel of God to obey:
For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
If we despise the law of Christ, we cannot possibly be obeying His gospel.
True. Without grace no man can work.
I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work.
Here is the remaining match.
We work the works of Christ, even as He worked the works of the Father. These are the works that justify us, without which faith is alone and dead.
I never say that. That's your wording. Plus your conclusion is false.
We are saved by grace through faith (not alone), and justified by works of faith (not alone).
True, which is why I don't say it.
If you are indeed living the godly life of Christ and walking as He walked by faith, then it is not by faith alone, but with the works of His righteousness.
There is no being saved by faith alone apart from works, because there is no faith of God without His works that we now do for Christ's sake, even as Jesus did the works of the Father for our sakes.
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Hello Charlie.
Sounds like a set up more than a sincere question.
And they send unto him certain of the Pharisees and of the Herodians, to catch him in his words.
Yep, set up.
Not to be born of God, but to remain a born son of God.
And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; Add to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.
Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall: For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
Adding to our faith ensures our salvation by never falling, and in need of having our salvation renewed in us.
If we are not adding these good things to our faith and doing them, then nothing is sure about our salvation, other than a vain imagination of being saved by our faith alone.
Ministerial works only. 1 Cor 3 is about ministry, not doing righteousness or sinning. Unrighteous works of the flesh take men to be burned in hell.
Ministerial works burned up, receive no reward. Our ministry must be pure from the heart and true from Scripture.
False teachers get no reward for teaching false doctrine, such as OSAS.
I just did.
We are saved by grace through faith, and we stay saved by grace through faith, by doing the good work of adding virtue and godliness to our faith.
True. And we can know of a certain we are saved, as well as ensure our salvation remains unto the end.
I don't question whether people are saved or not, but only teach what Scripture says about it, and defend His gospel against false teaching, that corrupts good manners.
I don't know anyone trying to keep the law to get saved, nor teaching it.
Very true. We do these things because we are doers of the word and not hearers only.
True again. What many Christians however do not want to acknowledge, is that if we are sinning at any time, then we are doing none of these things in sight of God, but only sinning against Him.
If that happens, we must come to the Advocate for the whole world, to be forigven, washed, and renewed in our salvation.
There is no fulfilling the law in 'any perfect way'. We are ether doing the word, or we are not ad sinning against Christ. We are either spiritually pure or we are not and lusting for the world.
A whole perfect heart, right spirit, and unblameable living is walking as Jesus walked. Perfections comes to us the same as with the man Jesus: only in the resurrection of the dead.
God on the throne is the only One who cannot even be tempted with sin. But Jesus was tempted in all points, and so are we. Tempting thoughts is not sinful, only imperfection in this life.
A whole perfect heart, right spirit, and unblameable living is walking as Jesus walked. Perfections comes to us the same as with the man Jesus: only in the resurrection of the dead.
God on the throne is the only One who cannot even be tempted with sin. But Jesus was tempted in all points, and so are we. Tempting thoughts is not sinful, only imperfection in this life.
True.
Yes I do understand that. Jesus can save someone even without works. And that probably applies to certain people. I think he requires most people to provide good works though.
Eternally Grateful
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this is where your wrong
these works do not justify us, if they do, we can boast.
These works are from the power of God who DID justify us.
you just said it.
Justified and saved are the same thing.. we are saved from Gods wrath BECAUSE we are justified.
we are not saved if we are not justified. we are still dead in our sin.
you make the same mistake the calvinist makes saying we are in effect saved (born again) before we are justified.
your right, there is no such thing as faith alone. ALL who have rue faith will work
but we are saved by GRACE through faith alone (not works)
we are not saved by faith my friend, we are saved through faith. we are saved by grace.
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