Renewable Salvation

[Behold]

There remains no more sacrifice for unrepentant sin.

You misquoted your Hebrews 10 verse., Robert.

Your verse says...that "willful sin" has trodded underfoot the blood of Jesus and there remains no more sacrifice for a willful sin.


So, this dead horse that spiritually blind heretics keep kicking, just proves they can't read, can't think, and have no connection to the Cross of Christ, in their belief system.
ZERO.
NONE.


Listen reader.... carefully...

That Hebrews 10 Heretics teach this verse as the verse saying.... that if YOU commit one sin knowingly, after you are born again, then you are LOST AGOAN, and there is no more Cross for you, no more Salvation...............because you sinned once, = willfully.

See, these heretics, can't read.
As if they could read, they'd shut their ignorant theological mouths about this VERSE, as they have ALL sinned at lease once, KNOWINGLY, willfully..after they were saved......so that means this verse has just DAMEND THEM TO HELL.
Are they just too stupid to see it?
Could be.

So, you, dont be that one, and realize instead, that every born born again believer, has at one time, known not to do it, and did it willfully.

Beleivers, im talking to YOU...

Have you ever watched "Game of Thrones"?

A netflix movie that has nudity or SEX in it?

any movie like this, since you are saved?

HEY READER....., i can keep listing WILFUL sins, and i'll find yours.....so, dont kid yourself, and dont lie to GOD.
Dont LIE to yourself about that....

So, if that HEBREWS verse is talking to the born again, then you're going to hell, Robert, and every other born again believer with you.

GOOD NEWS>
Its not. its talking to MESSIAH REJECTiNG "HEBREWS"..... only.........not you, believer.

 

[robert derrick]

@robert derrick

And how can one repent AGAIN when it would be impossible to do so?

It is only impossible to do so, when we wilfully refuse to do so.

“For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.” (Hebrews 6:4-6)

You have the correct reading, that there are those who cannot renew their old sins to repentance again, because God is not drawing them to do so. Wilfully here must mean without any desire to repent. Paul would not be praying for those to have Christ formed in them again, if it were impossible for Him to do so.

The dividing line is between sinning, and wilfully returning to sinning. OSAS is correct in that difference, though incorrect in believing they are still forgiven and uncondemned while sinning once or twice, or thrice, or whatever line they have vicariously drawn to mark the difference.

The apparent error of your argument is that you seem to be saying that if we do sin, we are lost forever. The bad news is that if we do sin, we are not excused nor uncondemned, but are in just as much need to be forgiven and saved as anyone sinning on earth. The good news is that we, like the world and our old man before knowing Christ, still have the Advocate for the whole world to come to for forgiveness.

All is not lost if we do sin. If we fall, we can indeed get back up by forgiveness and grace and run again.

What you are speaking of is not Christians that may sin, but of past Christians that have turned wilfully from Christ with no desire to repent and be forgiven, and God has given them up to a reprobate mind. It also applies to past Christians that are now pseudo Christians, whose minds have been corrupted into false doctrine and religion. This is the danger of the judaized Galatians.

But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

They had run well, but were then led astray by false doctrine of a cursed gospel by self-made apostles of Christ, and Paul was laboring for Christ to be formed in them again.

Saying saved again, and Christ formed in us again, may not be so accurate, because the current state is all that matters, and everything from before is forgotten by God, as though it never existed, whether it be past righteousness or sinful living. This includes having been a Christian with Christ formed in us.

That is why Jesus says to some, He never knew them, even though some had known Christ in the past, but turned from Him and His life.

Those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come.

For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

When God says He will forget the past, He can literally do so. This whole heaven and earth one day will be out of His sight and mind, so that it is as He never knew them.

There is a difference between us sinning again, and us wilfully turning from Christ to be the old man of sin again, and so made worse. I have sinned since being saved, and needed to come to Christ for forgiveness and repentance by His grace, as at the first. But I am now renewed in forgiveness and saved 'again', and am not the old man I was before coming to Jesus. There are those that have turned away from Christ wilfully and on purpose with full knowledge of knowing they do not care to repent.

Peter sinned against his Lord without known intent and wept bitterly and repented and was forgiven and renewed to Christ, but Judas wilfully intentionally sinned against the Lord, and ended up hanging himself for failure in his deed without repentance. The same was for King Saul and Esau.

For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.

There is a difference between godly sorrow for sinning against God, and the world's sorrow for failing in sinful goals.

And also in the context of your argument, there is another teaching here: Salvation of Christ can be repented of. It ought not to be, but can be. This would be the willful return to the old man of sin, for which there is no more sacrifice and washing of the blood for the purposely renewed sinning, nor salvation from it. It is impossible to renew repentance of sinning, when that repentance has been repented of.

 

[robert derrick]

Another Scripture, where some mystery about it is revealed in the context of renewable salvation, and proves it is not possible for salvation to be renewed for some:

For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.

The salvation of Jesus Christ ought not to be regretted and repented of. Godly living in Christ must not be regretted and repented of.

And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.

Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended.

Salvation not to be repented of means two things: the salvation of Christ is the only salvation for man, and if we repent of it, then there remains no salvation nor sacrifice for sin.

The promised salvation of other religions must be repented of, to be saved by Christ. Those of other religions have repented of those false salvations for the true salvation of Jesus Christ. But if any man regrets being saved and repents of the salvation of Jesus, there is no other salvation for them.

The salvation and faith of Jesus Christ ought not to be repetend of. It's one thing for us to sin after being forgiven by Jesus, but it's an entirely different thing to regret the life of believing and obeying Him.

If we repent of repenting for Christ's sake, then indeed there remains no more sacrifice for our sinning, and it is impossible to renew repentance that we have wilfully repented of. What people don't consider is, that good can be repented of, as well as evil.

King Saul repented of the good he had done as king, that he might own his own kingship, rather than be the Lord's anointed king over Israel, who must obey the commandments of the Lord, even as king.

Judas regretted being an apostle of Jesus, and so betrayed Him to the rulers and priests. The life and ministry of Christ was not what we expected nor wanted. He got offended at being rebuked. Christians that get offended by sharp righteous rebuke, don't last long and endure it unto the end.

Demas forsook Paul and Christ to return to his old life of sinning with the world. He regretted godly living.

If we sin, we can come to the advocate of the world to be forgiven and renewed in His faith and salvation. But if we cease prayer and fellowship in the Spirit, and faint from doing those things necessary by faith not to fall, then we too will regret repentance of sinning, and wilfully turn away from Jesus Christ to return to our old life of sin. We will purposely resurrect our old man, that was once hung by us on our own cross for Christ.

 

[Robert Gwin]

Because Jesus's Cross is all that God provided to save us.

Salvation is God provided.

Are your works, God provided?
Did your works die on the Cross for your sin?
Then don't trust in your works or try to offer your works in place of what God provided.

Do you understand that all Salvation comes through Jesus' death, but that not all is saved? I think you do, so why is that the case sir?

 

[Behold]

Do you understand that all Salvation comes through Jesus' death, but that not all is saved? I think you do, so why is that the case sir?

John 3:36

 

[Charlie24]

You misquoted your Hebrews 10 verse., Robert.

Your verse says...that "willful sin" has trodded underfoot the blood of Jesus and there remains no more sacrifice for a willful sin.


So, this dead horse that spiritually blind heretics keep kicking, just proves they can't read, can't think, and have no connection to the Cross of Christ, in their belief system.
ZERO.
NONE.


Listen reader.... carefully...

That Hebrews 10 Heretics teach this verse as the verse saying.... that if YOU commit one sin knowingly, after you are born again, then you are LOST AGOAN, and there is no more Cross for you, no more Salvation...............because you sinned once, = willfully.

See, these heretics, can't read.
As if they could read, they'd shut their ignorant theological mouths about this VERSE, as they have ALL sinned at lease once, KNOWINGLY, willfully..after they were saved......so that means this verse has just DAMEND THEM TO HELL.
Are they just too stupid to see it?
Could be.

So, you, dont be that one, and realize instead, that every born born again believer, has at one time, known not to do it, and did it willfully.

Beleivers, im talking to YOU...

Have you ever watched "Game of Thrones"?

A netflix movie that has nudity or SEX in it?

any movie like this, since you are saved?

HEY READER....., i can keep listing WILFUL sins, and i'll find yours.....so, dont kid yourself, and dont lie to GOD.
Dont LIE to yourself about that....

So, if that HEBREWS verse is talking to the born again, then you're going to hell, Robert, and every other born again believer with you.

GOOD NEWS>
Its not. its talking to MESSIAH REJECTiNG "HEBREWS"..... only.........not you, believer.

Yes, Behold, it's a terrible mistake they have made and the worst part is that they are teaching this junk to others!

 

[Behold]

Yes, Behold, it's a terrible mistake they have made and the worst part is that they are teaching this junk to others!

Its more thAn just junk....brother,....as this twisting of a verse and used as the devil's hammer against the born again.... that is actually meant for unsaved Hebrews, can literally cause mental illness in a person who reads..>"if we sin willfully" there remains no more salvation..., and they are honest, and realize that all sinning is willful.

So, these heretics who post that verse against a weak believer, can cause them to have "Mental" issues, because the word of God is powerful, and if you apply it wrongly to yourself, because a heretic lied to you.... it can harm you deeply for life.

 

[Charlie24]

Its more thAn just junk....brother,....as this twisting of a verse and used as the devil's hammer against the born again.... that is actually meant for unsaved Hebrews, can literally cause mental illness in a person who reads..>"if we sin willfully" there remains no more salvation..., and they are honest, and realize that all sinning is willful.

So, these heretics who post that verse against a weak believer, can cause them to have "Mental" issues, because the word of God is powerful, and if you apply it wrongly to yourself, because a heretic lied to you.... it can harm you deeply for life.

Yes, It's a very serious matter! It's pure ignorance to be honest.

The context proves that this willful sin is not just any and every sin, but a particular sin, the new Hebrew converts turning from Christ.

I don't see how it is possible for these poor souls to believe this lie they've been taught.

They are deceived and deceiving others. It's just the plain truth!

 

[Behold]

Yes, It's a very serious matter! It's pure ignorance to be honest.

The context proves that this willful sin is not just any and every sin, but a particular sin, the new Hebrew converts turning from Christ.

I don't see how it is possible for these poor souls to believe this lie they've been taught.

They are deceived and deceiving others. It's just the plain truth!

Paul is showing us in Hebrews 6, 10, and Acts 28:26-28 the same Christ Rejecting Hebrews.

He is showing us, ""the unpardonable sin" being committed, as that is Christ Rejection, and there is no more sacrifice for you, if you are that one.
Why?
Because you have rejected the sacrifice for your sin, so, you pay for them.

There is only one sin that is un-pardonable.. .and that is to die rejecting God's Pardon who is JESUS on the Cross.

If we are born again, then we didn't reject it., but those HEBREWS did.

 

[Charlie24]

Paul is showing us in Hebrews 6, 10, and Acts 28:26-28 the same Christ Rejecting Hebrews.

He is showing us, ""the unpardonable sin" being committed, as that is Christ Rejection, and there is no more sacrifice for you, if you are that one.
Why?
Because you have rejected the sacrifice for your sin, so, you pay for them.

There is only one sin that is un-pardonable.. .and that is to die rejecting God's Pardon who is JESUS on the Cross.

If we are born again, then we didn't reject it., but those HEBREWS did.

That is what I've been teaching for years, it is the unforgivable sin, the accepting of Christ and turning from Him, no longer having faith in His finished work. Which in return is rejecting the indwelling Holy Spirit, putting Him to shame, while trampling under foot the Son of God.

 

[Charlie24]

Paul is showing us in Hebrews 6, 10, and Acts 28:26-28 the same Christ Rejecting Hebrews.

He is showing us, ""the unpardonable sin" being committed, as that is Christ Rejection, and there is no more sacrifice for you, if you are that one.
Why?
Because you have rejected the sacrifice for your sin, so, you pay for them.

There is only one sin that is un-pardonable.. .and that is to die rejecting God's Pardon who is JESUS on the Cross.

If we are born again, then we didn't reject it., but those HEBREWS did.

@Behold

Keep up the good work! Your labor is not in vain, but will accomplish the will of God!

 

[Behold]

That is what I've been teaching for years, it is the unforgivable sin, the accepting of Christ and turning from Him, no longer having faith in His finished work. Which in return is rejecting the indwelling Holy Spirit, putting Him to shame, while trampling under foot the Son of God.

Well, if you are born again, then you can't commit that sin, as even if you have a faith crisis, and end up in "dead faith....God has already accepted your faith and you are already become a Son of God.
The is why there is no verse in the bible that says....>"you can become un-born again".
Its not possible, as you can't stop being born........not on earth and not spiritually.

One of the ways you can help someone who is worried about losing salvation, or they believe they have...
Is to show them...

That Jesus said......."all that believe in me, i give unto them, eternal life, and they shall never Perish".

"never perish" = can't lose your salvation.

Also, the proof of being born again is...>"CHRIST IN YOU">.... you have the Spirit of God, IN YOU ... You have become "the temple of the Holy Spirit".
And Jesus said..."i will never LEAVE YOU, or forsake you".......So, the born again are joined to Jesus ......final answer.

What does that mean?

It means that God, the Holy Spirit, and Jesus are in you, if you are born again, .... so, if you went to hell, born again, then they would go with you.

Not going to happen.

 

[Charlie24]

Well, if you are born again, then you can't commit that sin, as even if you have a faith crisis, and end up in "dead faith....God has already accepted your faith and you are already become a Son of God.
The is why there is no verse in the bible that says....>"you can become un-born again".
Its not possible, as you can't stop being born........not on earth and not spiritually.

One of the ways you can help someone who is worried about losing salvation, or they believe they have...
Is to show them...

That Jesus said......."all that believe in me, i give unto them, eternal life, and they shall never Perish".

"never perish" = can't lose your salvation.

Also, the proof of being born again is...>"CHRIST IN YOU">.... you have the Spirit of God, IN YOU ... You have become "the temple of the Holy Spirit".
And Jesus said..."i will never LEAVE YOU, or forsake you".......So, the born again are joined to Jesus ......final answer.

What does that mean?

It means that God, the Holy Spirit, and Jesus are in you, if you are born again, .... so, if you went to hell, born again, then they would go with you.

Not going to happen.

I agree, It's all about our faith in the finished work of Christ!

I feel for those who are burdened down with Law and Commandment keeping, who bear that constant load in fear.

Matt. 11:28-30

"Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light."

If they would just take Christ at His word, there is rest. If they would just drop the responsibility of those works, and give Him the responsibility, they would find that rest for the soul. Just surrender and trust Him to fulfill the works in us. Let Him have the reins!

 

[Behold]

I agree, It's all about our faith in the finished work of Christ!

I feel for those who are burdened down with Law and Commandment keeping, who bear that constant load in fear.

Religion, which is man's self effort to try to reach God or become God, is the bane of the "dead faith" Christian.
This person, lost faith in Christ, and proves it by teaching...WORKS, instead of CROSS.
These people are stuck in "sinning and confessing", and they are "troubled" in their mind, and they are often bitter and resentful towards anyone who is not fallen from Grace into Legalism.

Im reminded of the Church of Legalism.....

A new believer, full of the Joy of the Lord, is looking for a Church, and they find.>"the church of legalism".

So, they go in on a Sunday morning and are meeting the members, and they tell them..."oh, im just so full of the joy of the Lord"...and the Pastor hears them and says.>"well, dont worry, that wont last and soon we'll have you trying to keep from losing your salvation"...

 

[Charlie24]

Religion, which is man's self effort to try to reach God or become God, is the bane of the "dead faith" Christian.
This person, lost faith in Christ, and proves it by teaching...WORKS, instead of CROSS.
These people are stuck in "sinning and confessing", and they are "troubled" in their mind, and they are often bitter and resentful towards anyone who is not fallen from Grace into Legalism.

I carry a constant burden in my heart for these people, Behold.

I want to show them that they don't have to carry that responsibility and fear.

If they would just trust Christ and give Him that responsibility, the joy in the Lord will return.

He asks very little of us, He asks that we trust and believe in Him to take us to the finish line.

 

[robert derrick]

Observe God's commandments is the best way to secure salvation Rob 1 Jn 5:3. I liked the way Solomon summed it up, easy to understand and really drives the point home as well don't you think?:
(Ecclesiastes 12:13) . . .The conclusion of the matter, everything having been heard, is: Fear the true God and keep his commandments, for this is the whole obligation of man.

I kinda believe that summation sir

True. Our salvation can be secured in the life to end in one way only: to do the good work of adding to our faith those things that make our salvation sure, and never falling into temptation and sin:

And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.

For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.

Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall: For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

 

[robert derrick]

You wouldn't get along with Paul at all! He would place you with the Judaizers.

Rom. 11:5-6

"Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work."

There is no grace of God in the works of our own righteousness. The grace of God is only for help in doing the works of God's righteousness by faith.

People that demonize all works, and make no difference between man's righteousness and God's, is because they do no righteousness themselves, and only want to save themselves by their own dead faith alone.

In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever not doing righteousness is not of God.

Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. He that is doing good is of God: but he that is doing evil hath not seen God.

 

[robert derrick]

Which as you know is contrary to what Jesus said.

It's so obvious. If we have to strive to save ourselves Jesus wasted his time. And spilled his blood for nothing.

Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.

And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.

It's amazing the way some people aren't even hearers of the word, much less doers.

The OSAS gospel is false.

 

[Charlie24]

There is no grace of God in the works of our own righteousness. The grace of God is only for help in doing the works of God's righteousness by faith.

People that demonize all works, and make no difference between man's righteousness and God's, is because they do no righteousness themselves, and only want to save themselves by their own dead faith alone.

In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever not doing righteousness is not of God.

Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. He that is doing good is of God: but he that is doing evil hath not seen God.

Hello Robert!

Would you answer me a question? Just be straight forward, I believe we should be straight forward with the things concerning our Lord.

Must a man perform good works added to his faith to be born-again?

Paul said that a mans works can be burned up, but despite the works being burned up, his faith in Christ will save him.

What do you say?

 

[Behold]

I carry a constant burden in my heart for these people, Behold.

I want to show them that they don't have to carry that responsibility and fear.

If they would just trust Christ and give Him that responsibility, the joy in the Lord will return.

He asks very little of us, He asks that we trust and believe in Him to take us to the finish line.

God's Grace is FREEDOM....from.......trying to earn heaven or trying to stay saved.

Its designed as our REST.. our Anchor.... our Peace.

"come unto me and i'll give you REST".

We REST in God's Grce...., and allow God to work through us.

Heretics want to destroy all this, and have you up on the Cross trying to save yourself., nailed to your own self righteousness.