Renewable Salvation
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Michiah-Imla
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Behold
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Your verse says.>"the work of God".
Are you God,?
That verse says its God's work.......and that is Christ on the Cross, as the finished work of Jesus on the Cross.
That's God work.. = The CROSS of CHRIST.
and you are to BELIEVE that WORK.. who died for your sin......and receive Christ by faith.
Ziggy
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Someone posted this on the forum:
www.angel.com
So far there are 3 seasons with 8 episodes each. I'm on my 5th go round.
Everytime I watch it I see new things.
Faith is the answer.
We are not called because we deserve to be or are worthy to be. This calling is a gift freely given by God himself to follow him.
The Pharisees saught to kill Jesus because he healed on Sabbaths, he called himself the Son of God, which was blasphemy in their eyes.
To them Jesus was a sinner. A devil.
But God sent Jesus to do and say whatever it was he said and did, and Jesus did these things by the very Faith he had in the Father.
It is this same Faith Jesus requires from each of us. Not because it's reasonable or logical. Sometimes things don't make sense or they may even contradict what we've been taught.
We all know the commandments. And because of our faith and in what Jesus taught us, they are "naturally" kept.
We don't kill people or steal or lie or sleep around or take things that don't belong to us.
But it's not because we don't do these things that God has given us this grace.
It is because we love him because he first loved us, and saved us from condemnation.
It is Faith in God's faithfulness that keeps us on the right path.
If it were left to our own ability we would fail and have failed in the past.
The Saducees and Pharisees kept the Law of Moses but that did not save them.
In fact, Jesus called them all hypocrites because they did not have faith to lead them to keep them.
And as time wore on they tweeked the law a little here a little there to fit their own understanding. They compromised.
Their rules and regulations were more important than their faith. And where did that get them?
I believe I read that there will be 7 or 8 total seasons when they are finished.
The 4th season isn't due out until the end of this year or the beginning of the next.
I am very much looking forward to it.
Each episode runs between 30 minutes and up to 1.5 hours.
It shows the gospel from the point of view of the disciples and how they had to learn faith.
Season 1 episode 1 begins with Mary of Magdala who is possessed by demons, Peter and Andrew the fishermen and the large catch of fish.
Matthew (my favorite) the tax collector for the Romans.
It is about how they had to deal with new things, new ideas, and a new way.
Season 3 opens with the preperation for the sermon on the mount. And so much inbetween.
A sower went out sow seed. That very seed is the mustard seed. Faith.
I tell you brothers and sisters, the days are getting darker and now is the time we need to put away childish things and prepare for the Lord's return.
The question is:
Luk 18:8
I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?
Again, I would like to encourage all to watch at your own leisure this wonderful series called Chosen.
We are not alone in confusing thoughts of what we should do or shouldn't do. The disciples faced the same questions the same dilemmas.
Peter stepped out of the boat onto the water in the middle of the sea. Was it logical?
If not by faith, then what?
www.angel.com
God Bless
Keep your lamps lit.
HUGS
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So far there are 3 seasons with 8 episodes each. I'm on my 5th go round.
Everytime I watch it I see new things.
Faith is the answer.
We are not called because we deserve to be or are worthy to be. This calling is a gift freely given by God himself to follow him.
The Pharisees saught to kill Jesus because he healed on Sabbaths, he called himself the Son of God, which was blasphemy in their eyes.
To them Jesus was a sinner. A devil.
But God sent Jesus to do and say whatever it was he said and did, and Jesus did these things by the very Faith he had in the Father.
It is this same Faith Jesus requires from each of us. Not because it's reasonable or logical. Sometimes things don't make sense or they may even contradict what we've been taught.
We all know the commandments. And because of our faith and in what Jesus taught us, they are "naturally" kept.
We don't kill people or steal or lie or sleep around or take things that don't belong to us.
But it's not because we don't do these things that God has given us this grace.
It is because we love him because he first loved us, and saved us from condemnation.
It is Faith in God's faithfulness that keeps us on the right path.
If it were left to our own ability we would fail and have failed in the past.
The Saducees and Pharisees kept the Law of Moses but that did not save them.
In fact, Jesus called them all hypocrites because they did not have faith to lead them to keep them.
And as time wore on they tweeked the law a little here a little there to fit their own understanding. They compromised.
Their rules and regulations were more important than their faith. And where did that get them?
I believe I read that there will be 7 or 8 total seasons when they are finished.
The 4th season isn't due out until the end of this year or the beginning of the next.
I am very much looking forward to it.
Each episode runs between 30 minutes and up to 1.5 hours.
It shows the gospel from the point of view of the disciples and how they had to learn faith.
Season 1 episode 1 begins with Mary of Magdala who is possessed by demons, Peter and Andrew the fishermen and the large catch of fish.
Matthew (my favorite) the tax collector for the Romans.
It is about how they had to deal with new things, new ideas, and a new way.
Season 3 opens with the preperation for the sermon on the mount. And so much inbetween.
A sower went out sow seed. That very seed is the mustard seed. Faith.
I tell you brothers and sisters, the days are getting darker and now is the time we need to put away childish things and prepare for the Lord's return.
The question is:
Luk 18:8
I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?
Again, I would like to encourage all to watch at your own leisure this wonderful series called Chosen.
We are not alone in confusing thoughts of what we should do or shouldn't do. The disciples faced the same questions the same dilemmas.
Peter stepped out of the boat onto the water in the middle of the sea. Was it logical?
If not by faith, then what?
Watch Free Compelling Movies & TV Shows Online | Angel Studios
Stream free movies & TV shows on Angel.com or the Angel app. Watch Angel Originals like The Wingfeather Saga, Dry Bar Comedy, and more.
God Bless
Keep your lamps lit.
HUGS
@Titus, the best way I know how to explain this, Paul tells us that God sent His Son to the Cross to "condemn sin in the flesh, that the righteousness of the Law might be fulfilled in us."
We can fulfill no righteousness in ourselves whatsoever, that comes from walking in the Spirit (trusting Christ) to fulfill that righteousness in us. It's total surrender to Christ that allows the Holy Spirit to work in us, through our faith. The works must come from Him, not from ourselves.
Please elaborate, are you suggesting that God does the work of believing for us?
Or do we believe on our own free will?
Also do you agree that obeying Gods commandments are works?
Thanks, so you believe the good works you do, is not you doing them but God doing those works through you. aka Determinism. Am I explaining your beliefs correctly or do I misunderstand?
Do you believe you are obeying His commandments by your freewill? Or do you believe that you are under Gods control, meaning that what you obey is because God foreordained you to do,it?
No, God does not do the believing for us, but does provide the faith to believe when the Gospel is heard. Man makes his own choice.
Yes, God the Holy Spirit through my faith in Christ performs the works through me based on my trust in Christ to perform it. I'm just a willing subject.
I obey the commandments of Christ by trusting that He will "fulfill the righteousness in me" through my surrendering to Him. I just go about my life doing what I know is right according to His Word and looking for the open doors the Holy Spirit has prepared for me.
Behold
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If you read my posts, my Threads, or see my video.......i only lead people away from SELF Righteousness and to the CROSS of Christ and the Grace of God.
That is Pauline Theology.
"The simplicity that is in Christ".
That is where i take my Students and that is where they take their's.
See, its like this, Michiah-Imla.
NO CROSS , No Christianity.
NO CROSS, No born again
Christianity exists because Jesus chose to GO TO THE CROSS.
"The preaching of the Cross".....is true EVANGELISM.
Accept NO Substitute.
And i will tell you reader....if you want God to really use you........ then Get your CROSS right...... Hebrews 13:9
Go there and STAY THERE, as that is where you live in God's Amazing Grace.
New International Version
For I resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus Christ and him crucified.
New Living Translation
For I decided that while I was with you I would forget everything except Jesus Christ, the one who was crucified.
English Standard Version
For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified.
Berean Standard Bible
For I resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified.
Berean Literal Bible
For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and Him having been crucified.
King James Bible
For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.
So, if you never loose your trust in God, then you are waiting on Him to perform good works through you.
What then do we think of those who trust in Christ but show no good works in there lives?
I'm guessing you would say they never really trusted in Jesus.
Therefore if true Biblical saving faith is evidenced by good works, then just as the Bible says,
James 2:24,
- You see then that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.
This is the problem with salvation by faith alone. Alone means all else is excluded.
Therefore no works can be allowed only belief without good works.
So here is a contradiction.
Saved by faith absent from good works. But only true Biblical saving faith is evidenced by good works,
Otherwise that persons faith alone without good works was never really saved because God is not working His good works through that person. Faith without works salvation contradicts itself when saving faith is rightly defined,
James 2:24,
- You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith omly.
Amen, Amen, Amen!
This is what the scriptures teach.
This proves man does the believing. 1John 3:23-24,
And this is Gods commandment that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment.
If God did the believeing for us a reformed theology teaches God has no need to give us a command to believe in Jesus.
Therefore when we obey Gods commandments we are doing good works.
Thus true Biblical saving faith is obeying a commandment, believe in Jesus. This makes faith a work of obedience to Gods commandments.
Just as Jesus said in John 6:28-29,
- Then they said to Jesus, What must we do that we might work the works of God,
Jesus answered and said to them, This is the work, that you believe in Him whom He sent.
Faith is a work, a work of God that we obey. Therefore salvation absent from works is not taught in the scriptures.
James 2:24.
There is no contradiction with works concerning James and Paul. They are in perfect harmony.
Paul is speaking of no works in the salvation experience. James is speaking of works proving ones salvation.
Paul makes it clear that man is not saved by any works at all, James is not so clear, but is pointing to how the works are proving justification. In other words, Justification being proven through the act of sanctification.
Behold
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Listen, here is the verse..
"Salvation by faith alone'..
See that?
This means......God sent Christ to the Cross to become your Salvation......your sin bearer....... your forgiveness., and your Eternal LIFE.
Christ was on the Cross all ALONE, doing that for you and me.
Put your FAITH there, Give God your faith, as He accepts nothing else to thereby take what Jesus has done for you, and apply it to you, as:
= "the Gift of Salvation" and "the gift of Righteousness".
"Faith alone", means........Faith specific.........It means faith only in ONE..........."alone".....nothing else, or as Jesus said...""I am THE WAY... not a way or some way to the Father"", but ME ALONE>......JUST ME ALONE = ONLY.... John 14:6
It means when you take Jesus, God takes YOU, and keeps you. Philippians 1:6
You dont WORK For that as that is ""FAITH is counted as righteousness.""
The working........The Fruit bearing, comes after you have given God your faith., as now you have entered, by being born again....
= "justification BY faith"....
You are now in the WALK of FAITH.......... because you are born again.
God saved you, as ... 1.) "Grace through faith", based on the CROSS, and now you are.. 2.) IN that Salvation, having become a :
= ""new creation in Christ."
You HAVE IT. = born again, means God has given you His Salvation that Christ gained for you on THE Cross.
See that Reader?
Now you do the = "present your body as a living sacrifice"......"mortify your members".... "get water baptized" part., not to be saved or stay saved ...but because you ARE SAVED.
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This is one of the best explanations I've ever read concerning faith alone! Well done!
Renewable salvation, which some call Christian restoration theology, is also proven by a common Scripture than many argue over:
For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins.
Just as needing Christ formed again in us, means Christ was once formed in us and is not now formed in us, so also no more sacrifice for our sin means we once had sacrifice for sin, but not now.
The Scripture cannot possibly mean there is no more sacrifice for sin in the world, since Christ is still the propitiation for the sins of the whole world. And so Paul is saying what is obvious: There remains no more sacrifice for sin of Christians, that are now sinning again.
Even as Christ being formed in us, is no more for us while sinning, so the sacrifice and washing of blood of Christ is no more for us, while sinning.
If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
The lie is though repentance is necessary to be saved, repentance is not necessary to remain saved. If we renew our old sin unto need of repentance again, then we must repent for the same salvation, that we once repented for.
Once saved for all time is only for those once repenting for all time. When repentance is forsaken, so is Christ formed in us and being washed clean by His blood.
The power of God is to continue in repentance of dead works, not to continue in salvation without repentance from dead works.
Christian hypocrisy that the world despises, is the same as that of the Jews, that said they were not condemned with the nations of the world, even while sinning the same as them, because they were the 'born people of God'.
Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.
And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?
Thou that sayest a man should not commit adultery, dost thou commit adultery? thou that abhorrest idols, dost thou commit sacrilege?
For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written.
It's one thing for a Christian to fall to temptation and sin, and need to renew repentance unto forgiveness and salvation, which we have all done and needed, but an entirely different hypocritical thing to wipe our mouths, and say I have no condemnation for it.
Such is the way of an adulterous woman; she eateth, and wipeth her mouth, and saith, I have done no wickedness.
For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins.
Just as needing Christ formed again in us, means Christ was once formed in us and is not now formed in us, so also no more sacrifice for our sin means we once had sacrifice for sin, but not now.
The Scripture cannot possibly mean there is no more sacrifice for sin in the world, since Christ is still the propitiation for the sins of the whole world. And so Paul is saying what is obvious: There remains no more sacrifice for sin of Christians, that are now sinning again.
Even as Christ being formed in us, is no more for us while sinning, so the sacrifice and washing of blood of Christ is no more for us, while sinning.
If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
The lie is though repentance is necessary to be saved, repentance is not necessary to remain saved. If we renew our old sin unto need of repentance again, then we must repent for the same salvation, that we once repented for.
Once saved for all time is only for those once repenting for all time. When repentance is forsaken, so is Christ formed in us and being washed clean by His blood.
The power of God is to continue in repentance of dead works, not to continue in salvation without repentance from dead works.
Christian hypocrisy that the world despises, is the same as that of the Jews, that said they were not condemned with the nations of the world, even while sinning the same as them, because they were the 'born people of God'.
Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.
And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?
Thou that sayest a man should not commit adultery, dost thou commit adultery? thou that abhorrest idols, dost thou commit sacrilege?
For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written.
It's one thing for a Christian to fall to temptation and sin, and need to renew repentance unto forgiveness and salvation, which we have all done and needed, but an entirely different hypocritical thing to wipe our mouths, and say I have no condemnation for it.
Such is the way of an adulterous woman; she eateth, and wipeth her mouth, and saith, I have done no wickedness.
"This is one of the best explanations I've ever read concerning faith alone! Well done!"
While everyone is gushing over being saved by their own faith alone, will anyone quote the Scripture of being saved by our faith alone?
The only Scripture I read of having faith alone, is being dead, because it is alone.
Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
By our own faith alone, we save ourselves alone.
It's a marvel to watch people back slap one another for the best way to oppose Scripture, by magnificently explaining how we can indeed save ourselves by our own dead faith alone.
A whole Christian religion is made out of it.
While everyone is gushing over being saved by their own faith alone, will anyone quote the Scripture of being saved by our faith alone?
The only Scripture I read of having faith alone, is being dead, because it is alone.
Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
By our own faith alone, we save ourselves alone.
It's a marvel to watch people back slap one another for the best way to oppose Scripture, by magnificently explaining how we can indeed save ourselves by our own dead faith alone.
A whole Christian religion is made out of it.
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ButterflyJones
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I'd think you would know Paul's writing. We are saved by God's grace through faith, (that he instills). Not of ourselves so that none may boast.
Robert Gwin
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mailmandan
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Amen! James is not using the word "justified" in James 2:24 to mean "accounted as righteous" but is shown to be righteous. James is discussing the evidence of faith (says-claims to have faith but has no works/I will show you my faith by my works - James 2:14-18) and not the initial act of being accounted as righteous with God. (Romans 4:2-3)
When Paul uses the term "justified," he is referring to the legal (judicial) act by which God accounts the believer as righteous. (Romans 3:28; 4:2-6; 5:1) James, however is using the term "justified" to describe those who would show the genuineness of their faith by the works that they do. (James 2:18,21,24)
mailmandan
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1 Corinthians 15:1,2 - Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you--unless you believed in vain. To believe in vain is to believe without cause or without effect, to no purpose. If, as some are saying in Corinth, there is no resurrection, then faith is vain and worthless. (vs. 14) Those who fail to hold fast to the word (the gospel) that Paul preached in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, demonstrated that they "believed in vain" (believing the gospel was not firmly established). IF is a confirmation received, stand, saved.
Behold
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Because Jesus's Cross is all that God provided to save us.
Salvation is God provided.
Are your works, God provided?
Did your works die on the Cross for your sin?
Then don't trust in your works or try to offer your works in place of what God provided.
You're talking about returning to sin without repentance. There remains no more sacrifice for unrepentant sin. Wilfully would then mean, not just willingly sinning, but a willfulness that refuses to repent. A purposed, deliberate, unrepentant return to the old man of sin. I've known past Christians doing so. All Christian saints are past sinners, but not all sinners are past Christian saints.
So then what’s the “worse” part here all about:
“For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.” (2 Peter 2:20-21)
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