23 major reasons to reject the Premil doctrine!

[Truth7t7]

Yes, of course. However, I do think that there will be a large revival to Jesus Messiah in modern Israel as the end-time progresses.

And yes, Jesus is the Lord.

Yes I believe Jerusalem will build in the future to Messiah in a revival to their awaited upon Meshiach, and yes this will be the future (Little Horn) IMHO

 

[Truth7t7]

Can I thank you for forcing me to look a little harder at the contextual English translation error contained in Romans 11:26. It seems to me that you both have been hung up on the English translation of the Greek Word "pas" as "all".

I have been consistently posting that it is above my pay grade as to who God shows mercy to from among the descendants of Isaac. It is God's business as to who from among the descendants of Israel He will show mercy too and as such I have carefully chosen to not attempt to define the who from among the Israelites God will save, because I will probably get it all wrong as to whom God will chose. The same is also true with respect to those who are of Gentile descendant. God will show mercy to those from among the Gentiles just as He will show mercy to those from among the Israelites. This is what I had previously posted: -



I to had blindly accepted the translators' translation of verse 26. What I should have written above is "After that, those of Israel will be saved."

Who the "those of Israel" are, is God's business, and we should not be trying to define or judge, who they are. We do not contain enough wisdom to be able to do just that, particularly when we are told in the OT that, in the times to come, Gentiles will grab the sleeve of an Israelite and ask to be shown the way to Mt. Zion.

It's Not Going To Change Jay, Once Again!

Israel The Church, Children Of The Promised Seed

Roman's 9:6-8KJV
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

Galatians 3:26-29KJV
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

 

[Jay Ross]

God is. You're not.

Don't try to persuade us that you're the sole possessor of God's wisdom.

Only the cults do that.

I am being entertained by your assumptions of what is wisdom.

Do not expect to be rewarded for your "lines."

 

[covenantee]

I am being entertained by your assumptions of what is wisdom.

Do not expect to be rewarded for your "lines."

Do you intend to say anything further about Romans 9:6-8?

I'm still waiting.

 

[covenantee]

Do you intend to say anything further about Romans 9:6-8?

I'm still waiting.

If not, our readers have more than sufficient Scriptural evidence to draw their own conclusions.

 

[Truth7t7]

I am being entertained by your assumptions of what is wisdom.

Do not expect to be rewarded for your "lines."

Same would said about Jay in his Zionism on display

 

[Jay Ross]

If not, our readers have more than sufficient Scriptural evidence to draw their own conclusions.

Actually, I already believe that the readers are a lot smarter than you give them credit for and will see through your or my errors in understanding God's word.

But your fee for entertainment value cannot be justified or paid.

 

[Jay Ross]

Same would said about Jay in his Zionism on display

So, you are objecting to my understanding that the Israelites in the last Age will show the way to the Gentiles so that they can reach Mt Zion.

 

[Truth7t7]

Actually, I already believe that the readers are a lot smarter than you give them credit for and will see through your or my errors in understanding God's word.

But your fee for entertainment value cannot be justified or paid.

My claim would be the same concerning your claims, "All Israel Will Be Saved" meaning those of Jacob's earthly DNA

 

[Truth7t7]

So, you are objecting to my understanding that the Israelites in the last Age will show the way to the Gentiles so that they can reach Mt Zion.

It's Not Going To Change Jay, Once Again!

Israel The Church, Children Of The Promised Seed

Roman's 9:6-8KJV
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

Galatians 3:26-29KJV
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

 

[Jay Ross]

Well rather than trying to prove that I am wrong, when we both know that God will save those whom He chooses, would it not be best if we simply agreed to disagree with each other's understanding and give others the opportunity to draw their own conclusions. I am happy for people to come to their own conclusion. I am not happy for you to force your conclusions and understandings on others simply because you believe that you know your truth.

Goodbye

 

[Truth7t7]

Well rather than trying to prove that I am wrong, when we both know that God will save those whom He chooses, would it not be best if we simply agreed to disagree with each other's understanding and give others the opportunity to draw their own conclusions. I am happy for people to come to their own conclusion. I am not happy for you to force your conclusions and understandings on others simply because you believe that you know your truth.

Goodbye

I am not happy to see you falsely teach "All Israel Will Be Saved" being only those of Jacob's DNA, I will continue to expose your teaching as false for the readers to see

Jesus Is The Lord

 

[Jay Ross]

I am not happy to see you falsely teach "All Israel Will Be Saved" being only those of Jacob's DNA, I will continue to expose your teaching as false for the readers to see

Jesus Is The Lord

The only problem I see is, that is not what I have posted at all. It's a fabrication on your part and not true.

Readers of this forum are able to see through you.

Goodbye.

 

[covenantee]

Actually, I already believe that the readers are a lot smarter than you give them credit for and will see through your or my errors in understanding God's word.

But your fee for entertainment value cannot be justified or paid.

Actually, I'm certain that none of our other readers is so conceited as to claim to possess the only legitimate translation of Romans 11:26.

If you can find one, please let us know.

That would be entertainment indeed.

 

[Ezra]

Israel The Church, Children Of The Promised Seed

James 1:1KJV
James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.

Israel is not the Church only those Born again are the church

 

[WPM]

Israel is not the Church only those Born again are the church

That is true Israel.

 

[covenantee]

Israel is not the Church only those Born again are the church

The Church is "all Israel" of Romans 9:6-8 and Romans 11:26 -- the Children of Promise (Romans 9:8; Galatians 4:28)

Embracing all redeemed Jews and Gentiles.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Israel is not the Church only those Born again are the church

Now if only the amils and covenant theologians would remove their glasses and see this biblical truth! they would not alter so many Scriptures to their own disadvantage and at times peril.

 

[covenantee]

Now if only the amils and covenant theologians would remove their glasses and see this biblical truth! they would not alter so many Scriptures to their own disadvantage and at times peril.

Throw out your Scofield blinders so you can see post 657.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

As I have previously said to you, you need to do due diligence on what Paul was actually stating in Romans 9:25. Your paraphrasing of this verse is not what Paul had written.

Paul is making reference to the fullness of the time, with respect to the time period, allocated, of the Gentiles, to trample God's Sanctuary and Earthly Hosts, is completed, after that, all of Israel will be saved.

All of which Israel will be saved?

Can you tell me how you interpret this passage:

Romans 9:6 It is not as though God’s word had failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. 7 Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham’s children. On the contrary, “It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned.” 8 In other words, it is not the children by physical descent who are God’s children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham’s offspring.