23 major reasons to reject the Premil doctrine!

[WPM]

It appears you're looking into a mirror talking

Exactly.

 

[WPM]

I have never 'ignored' anyone. I do quickly scroll over those who constantly repeat themselves and those promoting theories like Amill.

I have come to realize that people who have chosen to believe in a theory or doctrine, such as Amill, or the fantasy of the rapture to heaven, are locked into their beliefs and are actually incapable of changing.
It is understood that to change your beliefs, is an admission of failure and casts questions on all your other beliefs.

There is only one true and correct way to understand the Prophetic Word. That is the way it is Written in our Bibles.

Amill is a direct contradiction of Revelation 20 and a rejection of the truth of God's 7000 year Plan for mankind.

The 'rapture to heaven' is just sci-fi nonsense. Jesus said many times that such a thing was impossible.

Soon; the Lord will change the world, by instigating His terrible Day of vengeance and wrath. Then, the surviving Christian peoples will finally understand their future role, to prepare the world for the glorious Return of Jesus.

Where is your "7000 year Plan for mankind" in the Bible?

 

[Keraz]

Where is your "7000 year Plan for mankind" in the Bible?

In all the time periods of the Patriarchs, the Kings of Israel and Judah, so carefully given to us and then from the known date of the Babylonian conquest of Judah. These times add exactly to 2000 years from Adam to Abraham, then another 2000 years from Abraham to Jesus. Now we are nearly another 2000 since Jesus and as Prophesied in Revelation 20, we can expect a final thousand years before God's decreed 7000 year time for mankind, is completed.
This is the truth of what has happened and what we can expect to happen. No amount of your of anyone's insistence that we are in the Millennium now, can refute this.

I laugh at the idea that Satan is 'bound' now, that Jesus controls the actions of the worlds leaders, that Jesus will destroy the world when He Returns and the complete nonsense of calling Revelation 20 a 'symbolic' chapter.

Question for you: Why has God made sure that we can add the given time periods, to obtain how exactly He has divided the three 2000 years tranches, or dispensations of mans rule, and then told us of the final thousand years when Jesus will rule?

 

[Jay Ross]

In all the time periods of the Patriarchs, the Kings of Israel and Judah, so carefully given to us and then from the known date of the Babylonian conquest of Judah. These times add exactly to 2000 years from Adam to Abraham, then another 2000 years from Abraham to Jesus. Now we are nearly another 2000 since Jesus and as Prophesied in Revelation 20, we can expect a final thousand years before God's decreed 7000 year time for mankind, is completed.
This is the truth of what has happened and what we can expect to happen. No amount of your of anyone's insistence that we are in the Millennium now, can refute this.

I laugh at the idea that Satan is 'bound' now, that Jesus controls the actions of the worlds leaders, that Jesus will destroy the world when He Returns and the complete nonsense of calling Revelation 20 a 'symbolic' chapter.

Question for you: Why has God made sure that we can add the given time periods, to obtain how exactly He has divided the three 2000 years tranches, or dispensations of mans rule, and then told us of the final thousand years when Jesus will rule?

Wow! Using the scriptures, I find that establishing the chronology of all of the seven ages, I get a period of time that is a little longer than the 7,000 years that you are suggesting in your post. In fact, Abraham was born 100 years before the beginning of the third Age when Isaac was born.

Now, yes, Abraham received the covenant, which we label as the Abrahamic Covenant, around the year 2,000 after the creation of Adam, but the birth of Isaac, through Abraham's wife, Sarah, was the confirmation for Abraham that this covenant was true and trustworthy.

As far as your understanding that Satan is not bound at the present time, as some would have us believe, is true. However, in around 20-25 years from now, Satan will be imprisoned in the Bottomless Pit for a period of 1,000 years, after which the Little While Period will come into play and Satan will have a short time in which he will endeavour to establish himself as a deity before all men, claim that he is God by attempting to sit in the Holy Place.

There are many understandings of how the End Times will play out, but few, if any, will be proved to be on the money, so to speak. Sadly, your understanding of how the End Times will unfold, is not on the money as to being right chronologically.

Oh well, we all try our best to be right in our relationship with God, but the hardest part for us to do is to let God be God with His End Time outcome unfolding His way.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

In all the time periods of the Patriarchs, the Kings of Israel and Judah, so carefully given to us and then from the known date of the Babylonian conquest of Judah. These times add exactly to 2000 years from Adam to Abraham, then another 2000 years from Abraham to Jesus. Now we are nearly another 2000 since Jesus and as Prophesied in Revelation 20, we can expect a final thousand years before God's decreed 7000 year time for mankind, is completed.
This is the truth of what has happened and what we can expect to happen. No amount of your of anyone's insistence that we are in the Millennium now, can refute this.

I laugh at the idea that Satan is 'bound' now, that Jesus controls the actions of the worlds leaders, that Jesus will destroy the world when He Returns and the complete nonsense of calling Revelation 20 a 'symbolic' chapter.

Question for you: Why has God made sure that we can add the given time periods, to obtain how exactly He has divided the three 2000 years tranches, or dispensations of mans rule, and then told us of the final thousand years when Jesus will rule?

But when do you count since Jesus? His birth? His ministry? H is death? His resurrection?

God, in Daniel made it clear that from the going forth to rebuild Jerusalem until Messiah the prince would be 483 years and that happened at Palm Sunday!

And from Abrhams death to Jesus was 1767 years.

Once again you have to make unprovable assumptions to make your timeline fit.

 

[Truth7t7]

And from Abrhams death to Jesus was 1767 years.

It was 1768 years, 4 months, 3 weeks, 5 days, 4 hours, 10 minutes, and 52 seconds?

Sad part is, you really believe you have the answer

 

[Keraz]

Sad part is, you really believe you have the answer

The really sad part is seeing people grip onto theories and fables that are not Biblical.

7000 years from the Creation to the Completion of Mankind:

Genesis 1:27 Adam was created in 3972.5 BC subtracted back from 586 BCE, with:

Gen 5:3 Seth +130, Gen 5:6 Enoch +105, Gen 5:9 Kenan +90, Gen 5:12 Mahalalel +70, Gen 5:15 Jared +65, Gen 5:18 Enoch +162, Gen 5:21 Methuselah +65, Gen 5:25 Lamech +187, Gen 5:28 Noah+182, Gen 7:6 The Flood came when Noah was +600, Gen 11:10 Our year 2314.5 BC

Arpachshad +2 - born to Shem after the flood. Gen 11:12 Selah +35, Gen 11:14 Heber +30, Gen 11:16 Peleg +34, Gen 11:18 Reu +30, Gen 11:20 Serug +32, Gen 11:22 Nahor +30 , Gen 11:24 Terah +29, Gen 11:26 Abram +70, Abram was +52 when God called him and they left Ur. Our year 1970.5 BCE He lived in Haran for 23 years, then went to Canaan at age 75. Genesis 12:4 Total years so far = 2000


Genesis 17:1, Abraham was 99 when the Covenant was made with God. +47 Genesis 17:1-8

Galatians 3:17 Paul states that the Law was given +430 after the Covenant. Total years elapsed until the Exodus – 2477, in our year 1493.5 BC.

1 Kings 6:1 The Temple construction starts, in the 4th year of King Solomon +480 since the Torah was given at the Exodus.. 1 Kings 11:42 Solomon 40 minus 4 = +36, 1 Kings 14:21 Rehoboam +17, 1 Kings 15:2 Abijah +3, 2 Chron 16:13 Asa +41, 1 Kings 22:42 Jehoshaphat +25, 2 Kings 8:17 Jehoram +8, 2 Kings 8:26 Ahaziah +1, 2 Kings 11:1-3 Athaliah +6, 2 Kings 12:1 Joash +40, 2 Kings 14:2 Amaziah +29, 2 Kings 15:1-2 Azariah +52, 2 Kings 15:33 Jotham +16, 2 Kings 16:2 Ahaz +16, 2 Kings 18:1-2 Hezekiah +29, 2 Kings 21:1 Manasseh +55, 2 Kings 21:19 Amon +2, 2 Kings 22:1 Josiah +31, 2 Kings 23:31 Jehoahaz +3mths, 2 Kings 23:36 Jehoiakim +11, 2 Kings 24:8 Jehoichin +3mths, 2 Kings 24:18-20 Zedekiah +11, who ruled until the Babylonian captivity in our year of 586 BC.

Total elapsed years to the first exile of Judah = 3386.5
3386.5 + 586 = 3972.5 years from 1BC to when Adam was Created.

586 BC + 613.5 years + 2 comes to 29.5/30 AD, the date of Jesus’ acclamation as King of Israel. Plus 2 to include the total number of elapsed years, as our calendar system counts years from their commencement. 3386.5 + 613.5 = 4000 years from Adam to Jesus.

June 2022 AD - 29.5/30 AD = 1992 years since Jesus made His triumphal entry into Jerusalem on the first Palm Sunday

1992 + 4000 = 5992 years, is where we are now. 5992 + 8 = 6000 years

 

[Truth7t7]

1992 + 4000 = 5992 years, is where we are now. 5992 + 8 = 6000 years

That suggest that in 1 year the claims of a 7 year tribulation will start, then the Lord's 7th day of rest in claims of a Millennial Kingdom on this earth?

8 years to go then the 2nd coming?

 

[Keraz]

That suggest that in 1 year the claims of a 7 year tribulation will start, then the Lord's 7th day of rest in claims of a Millennial Kingdom on this earth?

8 years to go then the 2nd coming?

Yes, the 70th week of Daniel may commence next year.
OR , as I am now thinking; the 3 1/2 years of Jesus' earthly Ministry may be deducted from the thousand years, making the glorious Return around 2033 and the final 7 years = 2026
That would give enough time for all that must happen before that 7 year peace treaty.

 

[Jay Ross]

The really sad part is seeing people grip onto theories and fables that are not Biblical.

7000 years from the Creation to the Completion of Mankind:

Genesis 1:27 Adam was created in 3972.5 BC subtracted back from 586 BCE, with:

Gen 5:3 Seth +130, Gen 5:6 Enoch +105, Gen 5:9 Kenan +90, Gen 5:12 Mahalalel +70, Gen 5:15 Jared +65, Gen 5:18 Enoch +162, Gen 5:21 Methuselah +65, Gen 5:25 Lamech +187, Gen 5:28 Noah+182, Gen 7:6 The Flood came when Noah was +600, Gen 11:10 Our year 2314.5 BC

Arpachshad +2 - born to Shem after the flood. Gen 11:12 Selah +35, Gen 11:14 Heber +30, Gen 11:16 Peleg +34, Gen 11:18 Reu +30, Gen 11:20 Serug +32, Gen 11:22 Nahor +30 , Gen 11:24 Terah +29, Gen 11:26 Abram +70, Abram was +52 when God called him and they left Ur. Our year 1970.5 BCE He lived in Haran for 23 years, then went to Canaan at age 75. Genesis 12:4 Total years so far = 2000


Genesis 17:1, Abraham was 99 when the Covenant was made with God. +47 Genesis 17:1-8

Galatians 3:17 Paul states that the Law was given +430 after the Covenant. Total years elapsed until the Exodus – 2477, in our year 1493.5 BC.

1 Kings 6:1 The Temple construction starts, in the 4th year of King Solomon +480 since the Torah was given at the Exodus.. 1 Kings 11:42 Solomon 40 minus 4 = +36, 1 Kings 14:21 Rehoboam +17, 1 Kings 15:2 Abijah +3, 2 Chron 16:13 Asa +41, 1 Kings 22:42 Jehoshaphat +25, 2 Kings 8:17 Jehoram +8, 2 Kings 8:26 Ahaziah +1, 2 Kings 11:1-3 Athaliah +6, 2 Kings 12:1 Joash +40, 2 Kings 14:2 Amaziah +29, 2 Kings 15:1-2 Azariah +52, 2 Kings 15:33 Jotham +16, 2 Kings 16:2 Ahaz +16, 2 Kings 18:1-2 Hezekiah +29, 2 Kings 21:1 Manasseh +55, 2 Kings 21:19 Amon +2, 2 Kings 22:1 Josiah +31, 2 Kings 23:31 Jehoahaz +3mths, 2 Kings 23:36 Jehoiakim +11, 2 Kings 24:8 Jehoichin +3mths, 2 Kings 24:18-20 Zedekiah +11, who ruled until the Babylonian captivity in our year of 586 BC.

Total elapsed years to the first exile of Judah = 3386.5
3386.5 + 586 = 3972.5 years from 1BC to when Adam was Created.

586 BC + 613.5 years + 2 comes to 29.5/30 AD, the date of Jesus’ acclamation as King of Israel. Plus 2 to include the total number of elapsed years, as our calendar system counts years from their commencement. 3386.5 + 613.5 = 4000 years from Adam to Jesus.

June 2022 AD - 29.5/30 AD = 1992 years since Jesus made His triumphal entry into Jerusalem on the first Palm Sunday

1992 + 4000 = 5992 years, is where we are now. 5992 + 8 = 6000 years

In your total of 2,000 years add up from my calculation based on your data does not come up with the same answer. You ignored that the flood lasted for around 1 years which you did not take this into account in you calculation. Even when using your data, there is an error of 23 years.

I will post more if I have time.

 

[Christian Gedge]

1 Kings 6:1 The Temple construction starts, in the 4th year of King Solomon +480 since the Torah was given at the Exodus.. 1 Kings 11:42 Solomon 40 minus 4 = +36, 1 Kings 14:21 Rehoboam +17, 1 Kings 15:2 Abijah +3, 2 Chron 16:13 Asa +41, 1 Kings 22:42 Jehoshaphat +25, 2 Kings 8:17 Jehoram +8, 2 Kings 8:26 Ahaziah +1, 2 Kings 11:1-3 Athaliah +6, 2 Kings 12:1 Joash +40, 2 Kings 14:2 Amaziah +29, 2 Kings 15:1-2 Azariah +52, 2 Kings 15:33 Jotham +16, 2 Kings 16:2 Ahaz +16, 2 Kings 18:1-2 Hezekiah +29, 2 Kings 21:1 Manasseh +55, 2 Kings 21:19 Amon +2, 2 Kings 22:1 Josiah +31, 2 Kings 23:31 Jehoahaz +3mths, 2 Kings 23:36 Jehoiakim +11, 2 Kings 24:8 Jehoichin +3mths, 2 Kings 24:18-20 Zedekiah +11, who ruled until the Babylonian captivity in our year of 586 BC.

You don't seem to take into account co-regent reigns. For example Jotham's reign was concurrent with his father for a while because Azariah had leprosy.

 

[WPM]

I laugh at the idea that Satan is 'bound' now, that Jesus controls the actions of the worlds leaders, that Jesus will destroy the world when He Returns and the complete nonsense of calling Revelation 20 a 'symbolic' chapter.

Question for you: Why has God made sure that we can add the given time periods, to obtain how exactly He has divided the three 2000 years tranches, or dispensations of mans rule, and then told us of the final thousand years when Jesus will rule?

You are laughing at Scripture not Amils. We didn't write the Book.

Firstly, repeated Scripture uses binding in a figurative sense. The wicked are depicted as being in chains and in a prison before salvation. We all know that that is not literal. Also, repeated scripture shows the binding of Satan and his minions since the earthly ministry of Christ. So, when we get into the most symbolic book in the Bible, it is not difficult to get your head around the spiritual binding of Satan in order to enlighten the Gentiles since the resurrection – the first resurrection.

The strongman was bound 2000 years ago according to Jesus. He invaded the devil’s house, chained him and took a spoil. We are part of that spoil. This is figurative language.

Secondly, Christ’s first resurrection was the start of the evangelization of the Gentiles. Most people see that in the New Testament. The Gentiles are depicted in the OT as being outside of hope, blind, in gross darkness, rebellious, bound in chains and in a prison. That all changed after the resurrection of Christ. The NT is a picture of Gentile evangelizing. That is all Rev 20 is saying. There is zero corroboration for Premil scenario of the binding of Satan at the second coming and his release 1000 years later to deceive the millennial inhabitants as the sand of the sea. Amils have many passages that teaches the binding, curtailing, defeating and subjugation of Satan 2000 years ago. They also have many Scriptures that show Christ is the first resurrection.

Even though the Scriptures make many sweeping statements about the Gentiles been deceived in the Old Testament it did not mean that there was none that believed. Just like it makes sweeping statements about the Gentiles being enlightened in the New Testament, does not suggest that the most of them actually believed. These are just broad generalized. Scripture is full of them.

Thirdly, before the resurrection the redeemed dead were forced to stay in Hades awaiting the defeat of sin, death, Hades and Satan. The limitations that once held God’s people from the presence of God now restrain Satan so that he cannot stop the enlightenment of the nations. Jesus opened heaven up to the elect (both living and dead) When he defeated sin, death, Satan and Hades. He consequently emptied Abraham's bosom and took the dead in Christ in heaven.

Fourthly, Satan being cast out of heaven means his seat of accusation against believers before God is gone forever. He cannot accuse you before the throne of heaven anymore, because your penalty is fully paid. The only thing he can do is point the finger to you directly and hope that you are stupid enough to listen to him.

 

[Truth7t7]

I laugh at the idea that Satan is 'bound' now, that Jesus controls the actions of the worlds leaders, that Jesus will destroy the world when He Returns and the complete nonsense of calling Revelation 20 a 'symbolic' chapter.

Satan is "Currently" bound from "One Specific Purpose", And One Only?

"Deceive The Nations" To Battle

The Non-Literal 1,000 Years (Revelation) 20:1-6 Are Taking Place Now In The Lords Spiritual, And Will Cease At The Future Second Coming

If A Tribulation Saint Were To Die One Day Before The Second Coming, He Enters Into The Non-Literal 1,000 Year Reign

Many That Promote Millennialism Falsely Teach, Satan Cant Be Presently Bound Because Evil Exist In The World?

Satan Is Presently Bound As Is Clearly Seen In (Revelation) 20:7-8 Below That Interprets (Deceive The Nations) Is To Battle, Not General Evil In The World Presently.

Satan Is Loosed At The End Of The Tribulation When The 6th Vial Is Poured Out As Seen In (Revelation) 16:12, The Deception Is Devils In False Miracles Going Forth To The Kings Of The Earth, To Gather Them To The Final Battle

(Revelation) 20:1-9KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

(Revelation) 16:12-14 & (Revelation) 20:7-8 Same Deception In Gathering The Nations To The Very Same Final Battle In "Parallel" Teachings Of The Same Event

(Revelation) 16:12-17KJV
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

 

[Jay Ross]

In your total of 2,000 years add up from my calculation based on your data does not come up with the same answer. You ignored that the flood lasted for around 1 years which you did not take this into account in you calculation. Even when using your data, there is an error of 23 years.

I will post more if I have time.

Here are the numbers as I came up with them: -

Father/event​	Years between birth/events​	Accumulated years​	Son’s birth / Event​	Biblical Passage​
Creation of Adam​	0​	0​	Adam​	Gen 1:27​
Adam​	130​	130​	Seth​	Gen 5: 3​
Seth​	105​	235​	Enoch​	Gen 5: 6​
Enoch​	90​	325​	Cainan/Kenan​	Gen 5: 9​
Cainan/Kenan​	70​	395​	Mahalalel​	Gen 5:12​
Mahalalel​	65​	460​	Jared​	Gen 5:15​
Jared​	162​	622​	Enoch​	Gen 5:18​
Enoch​	65​	687​	Methuselah​	Gen 5:21​
Methuselah​	187​	874​	Lamech​	Gen 5:25​
Lamech​	182​	1,056​	Noah​	Gen 5:28-29​
Noah​	600​	1,656​	The Flood began.​	Gen 7:11[1]​
The Flood began.​	1​	1,657​	The Flood ended.​	Gen 8: -13-19[2]​
Seth was 100 years old, two years after the flood ended.​	2​	1,659​	Arpachshad​	Gen 11:10[3]​
Arpachshad​	35​	1,694​	Selah​	Gen 11:12​
Selah​	30​	1,724​	Eber​	Gen 11:14​
Eber​	34​	1,758​	Peleg​	Gen 11:16​
Peleg​	30​	1,788​	Rue​	Gen 11:18​
Rue​	32​	1,820​	Serug​	Gen 11:20​
Serug​	30​	1,850​	Nahor​	Gen 11:22​
Nahor​	29​	1,879​	Terah​	Gen 11:24​
Terah​	70​	1,949​	Abram​	Gen 11:26​
Abram​	75​	2,024​	Enters Canaan​	Gen 12:4​
Total number of years from Adam’s creation​	2,024​	​

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[1] Gen 7:11: - 11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, on that day all the fountains of the great deep were broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.
[2] Gen 8: -13-19: - 13 And it came to pass in the six hundred and first year, in the first month, the first day of the month, that the waters were dried up from the earth; and Noah removed the covering of the ark and looked, and indeed the surface of the ground was dry. 14 And in the second month, on the twenty-seventh day of the month, the earth was dried.
15 Then God spoke to Noah, saying, 16 "Go out of the ark, you and your wife, and your sons and your sons' wives with you. 17 Bring out with you every living thing of all flesh that is with you: birds and cattle and every creeping thing that creeps on the earth, so that they may abound on the earth, and be fruitful and multiply on the earth." 18 So Noah went out, and his sons and his wife and his sons' wives with him. 19 Every animal, every creeping thing, every bird, and whatever creeps on the earth, according to their families, went out of the ark.
[3] Gen 11:10: - 10 This is the genealogy of Shem: Shem was one hundred years old, and begot Arphaxad two years after the flood.

Without going any further, if the initial premises are flawed then the whole post is flawed.

 

[Jay Ross]

Galatians 3:17 Paul states that the Law was given +430 after the Covenant. Total years elapsed until the Exodus – 2477, in our year 1493.5 BC.

The understanding of this verse is flawed. The covenant being referenced in this verse was the Covenant given by God to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob over some 240 years with the last of the Covenant given to Jacob just before he left to go down to Egypt.

This is in agreement with Exodus 12:40-41 which tells us the following: -

Exodus 12:40-41: - 40 Now the duration of the Israelites’ stay in Egypt was 430 years. 41 At the end of the 430 years, to the very day, all the LORD’s divisions went out of the land of Egypt.​

Now, Genesis 15:13-14 also tells us that Israel would be oppressed in Egypt for around 400 years. This is that prophecy: -

Genesis 15:13-14: - 13 Then the LORD said to Abram, “Know for certain that your descendants will be strangers in a land that is not their own, and they will be enslaved and mistreated four hundred years. 14 But I will judge the nation they serve as slaves, and afterward they will depart with many possessions.​

A flawless contextual understanding is needed. We cannot say one portion of the scriptures is in error because we have wrongly interpreted another passage of scripture.

I would suggest to you that the 430 years as recorded in exodus 12:40-41 is correct as to the duration that Israel spent in Egypt. Why would Moses lie when writing the book of Exodus about the length of time that Israel spent in Egypt.​

 

[Keraz]

Even when using your data, there is an error of 23 years.

In post #507, I show that 23 years as the time Abram spent in Haram. I disagree that we should count another year for the Flood/
Your post #514 is flawed by making that 23 years part of the first 2000 years.

Your post # 515, is confusing . I do use 430 years of the Israelite exile.

You don't seem to take into account co-regent reigns

Why should I? Just using the given time periods works out perfectly. Co regencies are immaterial.
More or less days, just cancel themselves out.

Satan is "Currently" bound from "One Specific Purpose", And One Only?

Are you Satans attorney? It would be good if 'deceiving the nations' really was all Satan did.

You are laughing at Scripture not Amils. We didn't write the Book.

Sems to me - you don't read the Book. Or notice the reality we all live in.

 

[Jay Ross]

In post #507, I show that 23 years as the time Abram spent in Haran.

This is your information that was used in the table in post #514 above: -

Gen 5:3 Seth +130,
Gen 5:6 Enoch +105,
Gen 5:9 Kenan +90,
Gen 5:12 Mahalalel +70,
Gen 5:15 Jared +65,
Gen 5:18 Enoch +162,
Gen 5:21 Methuselah +65,
Gen 5:25 Lamech +187,
Gen 5:28 Noah+182,
Gen 7:6 The Flood came when Noah was +600,

Gen 11:10 Our year 2314.5 BC

Arpachshad +2 - born to Shem after the flood.
Gen 11:12 Selah +35,
Gen 11:14 Heber +30,
Gen 11:16 Peleg +34,
Gen 11:18 Reu +30,
Gen 11:20 Serug +32,
Gen 11:22 Nahor +30 ,
Gen 11:24 Terah +29,
Gen 11:26 Abram +70,
Abram was +52 when God called him and they left Ur. Our year 1970.5 BCE He lived in Haran for 23 years, This line of information is irrelevant to your calculations.
then went to Canaan at age 75. Genesis 12:4

Total years so far = 2000 2024 (When the duration of the Flood is taken into account in the calculations.

Now the generally accepted year of the Flood based on Ussher's chronology is the year 2,348 BC. when Adam was created in the year 4,004 BC. However, from my research, I am more in line with Lydiat's Chronological calculations and only differ as to the year Christ was Born. As such I would place the start of the flood in the year 2,444 BC.

I disagree that we should count another year for the Flood/

Then why did the writer of Genesis provide the information in Genesis 8:13-18 as to when the flood was over, and Noah left the Ark with his family.

Your post #514 is flawed by making that 23 years part of the first 2000 years.

If you check the data that I used, shown above, your mathematical ability of adding numbers in the table column comes to the total I provided. It is your total that is wrong.

Your post # 515, is confusing . I do use 430 years of the Israelite exile.

I am sorry, Keraz, my post is very straight forward. You have stated that Israel was in Egypt before even Isaac was born, let alone Jacob. Genesis clearly states that Jacob did not go down to Egypt with his family until he was 130 years old, 215 years after Abraham entered the Land of Canaan. Your premise is based on a flawed interpretation of Galatian 3:17 which forces an outcome that is not scriptural.

That is why many oppose you and your posts.

 

[Christian Gedge]

Why should I? Just using the given time periods works out perfectly. Co regencies are immaterial.
More or less days, just cancel themselves out.

Get a sheet of graph paper. Take your date for the division of the Kingdom between Rehoboam and Jeroboam. Go to 1 Kings and start plotting the reigns of BOTH kingdoms. You will be in a glorious muddle if you do not bother finding the coregencies.

 

[Keraz]

Abram was +52 when God called him and they left Ur. Our year 1970.5 BCE He lived in Haran for 23 years, This line of information is irrelevant to your calculations.
then went to Canaan at age 75. Genesis 12:4

The first 2000 years was complete when Abram obeyed God and departed from Ur. He was 52 then.

Seth was 100 years old, two years after the flood ended.​

2​

1,659​

Arpachshad​

Gen 11:10[3]​

Genesis 11:10 does NOT say: ended. Adding a year here is wrong.

Now the generally accepted year of the Flood based on Ussher's chronology is the year 2,348 BC. when Adam was created in the year 4,004 BC. However, from my research, I am more in line with Lydiat's Chronological calculations and only differ as to the year Christ was Born. As such I would place the start of the flood in the year 2,444 BC.

With Bible Prophecy: to rely on the writings of anyone before these last days, is a mistake. Daniel 12:4 & 9 say the Words are secret and sealed until the time of the end. Jesus also said; These things, [the Prophesies] are hidden from the wise, their wisdom of the wise will vanish. Matthew 11:25

That is why many oppose you and your posts.

You oppose me because I rattle your cage, the cage of false beliefs you have chosen to follow.
Like many, just the idea of the terrible things that are Prophesied to happen, most likely within our lifetime. is enough for people to make every possible avenue of escape their mantra.
A 'rapture to heaven' - beam me up God, is just about the epitome of foolishness and escapism.
AMill and preterism, are other ways of avoiding the forthcoming dramatic world changes and testing times. Both ideas conflict with plainly stated scripture and are wrong.
Of course people hate to be told such hard truths, and I get harsh opposition, just like the real Prophets of God did.

Get a sheet of graph paper. Take your date for the division of the Kingdom between Rehoboam and Jeroboam. Go to 1 Kings and start plotting the reigns of BOTH kingdoms. You will be in a glorious muddle if you do not bother finding the coregencies.

Why should I do that? I use the exact times as given by God in His Word. Only confusion results from messing with them.

 

[Christian Gedge]

Why should I do that?

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