Another Premillennial absurdity

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One of the main problems Premillennialism has is that it has a glorified Jesus bringing back all the redeemed of all the ages that have enjoyed perfect communion with Christ in His majestic heavenly presence since the time He defeated sin and death 2000 years ago, giving them new eternal incorruptible bodies at His second coming, along with the living in Christ, rewarding them with eternal bliss, and then bringing them back to a corruptible millennial earth filled with degenerates, death, decay and depravity, just like our present day. It is just another re-run of our current evil age.

Premillennialism has saints that have been delivered from a sinful world thousands of years ago being forced to come back to watch the folly of the rebuilding of a new temple, the debacle of futile animal sacrifices, the restoration of the old covenant priesthood, continued sin, death and decay. Finally, the saints will have to engage in literal physical spiritual warfare in their glorified bodies with Satan and his global mortal army – Gog and Magog. They will be confronted with the awful sight of Satan being released from his prison to mobilize a global assault upon Jesus and the glorified saints in earthly Jerusalem. This army will consist of all the millennial mortals that have feigned worship to the Lord Jesus Christ for a thousand years turning in their billions at the drop of a hat from following Jesus to following Satan as the sand of the sea.

This whole portrayal is ridiculous and nonsensical, and will never happen.

In a nut shell ...
You paint a CORRUPT scenario, then call it AN OTHERS ridiculous belief.

The 1,000 year Earthly reign of Christ is NOT filled with CORRUPTION!
Christ’s 1,000 year reign IS:
Christ reigning KING of His Land, His Kingdom, His Saints...
Christ reigning KING over World mortal kings of Mortal kingdoms, Mortal men, Mortal occupied lands/nations.

Certainly there IS DEATH occurring in Mortal kingdoms/nations.
Nothing NEW, God expressly requires the Natural Life (Bodily BLOOD) of Natural Mortal Body’s of men MUST DIE. (Gen 9:5)

You have to FIRST know and understand...
HOW The earth, and it’s inhabitants BECAME filled with CORRUPTION.
THE HOW, was the caused BY SATANS power and ability and desire and PRESENCE ON THE EARTH TO:
Influence the Nations (ie inhabitants, ie manKind) AGAINST God.

SECONDLY you have to know and understand...
* The millennial reign of Christ, IS 1,000 years of His Saints, occupying Christ’s Kingdom (ie the land mass of Abraham’s Promised Land)...
* Christ occupying the Everlasting Throne God established (ie king David’s Throne in Jerusalem)...
* Mortal men establishing, occupying, reproducing, ruling, their own kingdoms (ie Nations).
* THE INFLUENCE of CHRIST and GOD’S WORD...is the ONLY world wide Spiritual INFLUENCE.
* Satan and his own band of fallen angels ARE REMOVED from the face of the earth.
* THE INFLUENCE of Satan IS NON EXISTENT on the face of the whole world.

THIRDLY you have to personally decide to believe the EFFECTS of A whole world, With ONLY Gods Word being the World wide Spiritual INFLUENCE, in the ears of Mortal men.

You are grossly mistaken, if you conclude, or think and speak on behalf of others that they HAVE concluded...THAT Christ’s Millennial Reign IS 1,000 years of CORRUPTION. <—> THAT IS FALSE!
It IS IN FACT, 1,000 years of PEACE among and between individual MORTAL Kingdoms (ie Nations).

FORTH-LY ...
* AFTER the 1,000 years have expired (been fulfilled, accomplished)
* THEN is Satan and his band of fallen angels ALLOWED access to the face of the EARTH............TO AGAIN INFLUENCE the “mortal kings..and their kingdoms / nations, ie mortal men”.......AGAINST God.

Nothing NEW...mortal kings raise armies....by, through, of; citizens of their nations, enticements, lies, deceptions, fears, threats, forcing, ordering citizens participation .........
AND Satan’s INFLUENCE, Advocation, Encouragement, ??

RELEASED from confinement and AGAIN PRESENT ON the face of the Earth to INFLUENCE mortal nations TO ATTACK AGAINST Christ’s Kingdom...

Something NEW...a QUICK DEFEAT of mortal EARTHLY nations, ie PEOPLE.
HOW...? (Bigger guns, weapons, poisons, etc.). NOPE!
HOW...? Gods WORD!

Something FOLLOWING...Spiritual Warfare ABOVE the Earth, a QUICK DEFEAT of spiritual demons, by spiritual holy angels.

THEREAFTER...Judgement, Accountability of every man who has ever been naturally born, Books of Evidence opened, Sentencing of the Divided WITH and WITHOUT God Separated....

THEN ... the whole earth Renewed, the New Jerusalem sent down from Heaven...Heaven opened up...as it is IN Heaven, so shall it be ON Earth.
Only occupants of the Face of the Earth ARE transformed faithful immortals, holy servant angels of God and the Lord God Almighty Visibly WITH “THEM”.
FOREVER. Paradise in Heaven and on Earth.
Prophecy fulfilled..accomplished...called DONE.

Rev.21​

[6] And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

You have to begin with ONE thing IN MIND.........God IS JUST.
Gods express Knowledge is revealed, distributed world wide and Every conceivable option is GIVEN manKIND, FOR manKIND to MAKE informed decisions regarding what individual men FREELY CHOOSE to believe, follow, reject....and the consequences thereof per every man’s CHOICES expressly revealed.

With Gods influences, With Satan’s influences, With wicked mens influences...
Every man can FREELY choose, what they will TRUST and follow.
Every man SHALL individually RECEIVE the consequences for their own choices.
Nothing new...men make their Choices Known...God SHALL make sure EVERY mans Choice is fulfilled, accomplished, DONE.

Christ’s 1,000 year reign IS NOT a 1,000 years of Corruption.

 

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PREMILLENNIALISM....is simply the BELIEF Christ SHALL Return to Earth, Occupy His Kingdom (Abraham’s Promised Land) Occupy His Throne (king David’s Throne) in Jerusalem, FOR 1,000 YEARS....Rule His Kingdom WITH His Saints, AS WELL Rule over mortal kings, mortal kingdoms, mortal men...
WITHOUT THE PRESENCE of Satan or other fallen Angels on the face of the Earth.

Not a big secret, all revealed in Scripture.

 

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In a nut shell ...
You paint a CORRUPT scenario, then call it AN OTHERS ridiculous belief.

The 1,000 year Earthly reign of Christ is NOT filled with CORRUPTION!
Christ’s 1,000 year reign IS:
Christ reigning KING of His Land, His Kingdom, His Saints...
Christ reigning KING over World mortal kings of Mortal kingdoms, Mortal men, Mortal occupied lands/nations.

Certainly there IS DEATH occurring in Mortal kingdoms/nations.
Nothing NEW, God expressly requires the Natural Life (Bodily BLOOD) of Natural Mortal Body’s of men MUST DIE. (Gen 9:5)

You have to FIRST know and understand...
HOW The earth, and it’s inhabitants BECAME filled with CORRUPTION.
THE HOW, was the caused BY SATANS power and ability and desire and PRESENCE ON THE EARTH TO:
Influence the Nations (ie inhabitants, ie manKind) AGAINST God.

SECONDLY you have to know and understand...
* The millennial reign of Christ, IS 1,000 years of His Saints, occupying Christ’s Kingdom (ie the land mass of Abraham’s Promised Land)...
* Christ occupying the Everlasting Throne God established (ie king David’s Throne in Jerusalem)...
* Mortal men establishing, occupying, reproducing, ruling, their own kingdoms (ie Nations).
* THE INFLUENCE of CHRIST and GOD’S WORD...is the ONLY world wide Spiritual INFLUENCE.
* Satan and his own band of fallen angels ARE REMOVED from the face of the earth.
* THE INFLUENCE of Satan IS NON EXISTENT on the face of the whole world.

THIRDLY you have to personally decide to believe the EFFECTS of A whole world, With ONLY Gods Word being the World wide Spiritual INFLUENCE, in the ears of Mortal men.

You are grossly mistaken, if you conclude, or think and speak on behalf of others that they HAVE concluded...THAT Christ’s Millennial Reign IS 1,000 years of CORRUPTION. <—> THAT IS FALSE!
It IS IN FACT, 1,000 years of PEACE among and between individual MORTAL Kingdoms (ie Nations).

FORTH-LY ...
* AFTER the 1,000 years have expired (been fulfilled, accomplished)
* THEN is Satan and his band of fallen angels ALLOWED access to the face of the EARTH............TO AGAIN INFLUENCE the “mortal kings..and their kingdoms / nations, ie mortal men”.......AGAINST God.

Nothing NEW...mortal kings raise armies....by, through, of; citizens of their nations, enticements, lies, deceptions, fears, threats, forcing, ordering citizens participation .........
AND Satan’s INFLUENCE, Advocation, Encouragement, ??

RELEASED from confinement and AGAIN PRESENT ON the face of the Earth to INFLUENCE mortal nations TO ATTACK AGAINST Christ’s Kingdom...

Something NEW...a QUICK DEFEAT of mortal EARTHLY nations, ie PEOPLE.
HOW...? (Bigger guns, weapons, poisons, etc.). NOPE!
HOW...? Gods WORD!

Something FOLLOWING...Spiritual Warfare ABOVE the Earth, a QUICK DEFEAT of spiritual demons, by spiritual holy angels.

THEREAFTER...Judgement, Accountability of every man who has ever been naturally born, Books of Evidence opened, Sentencing of the Divided WITH and WITHOUT God Separated....

THEN ... the whole earth Renewed, the New Jerusalem sent down from Heaven...Heaven opened up...as it is IN Heaven, so shall it be ON Earth.
Only occupants of the Face of the Earth ARE transformed faithful immortals, holy servant angels of God and the Lord God Almighty Visibly WITH “THEM”.
FOREVER. Paradise in Heaven and on Earth.
Prophecy fulfilled..accomplished...called DONE.

Rev.21​

[6] And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

You have to begin with ONE thing IN MIND.........God IS JUST.
Gods express Knowledge is revealed, distributed world wide and Every conceivable option is GIVEN manKIND, FOR manKIND to MAKE informed decisions regarding what individual men FREELY CHOOSE to believe, follow, reject....and the consequences thereof per every man’s CHOICES expressly revealed.

With Gods influences, With Satan’s influences, With wicked mens influences...
Every man can FREELY choose, what they will TRUST and follow.
Every man SHALL individually RECEIVE the consequences for their own choices.
Nothing new...men make their Choices Known...God SHALL make sure EVERY mans Choice is fulfilled, accomplished, DONE.

Christ’s 1,000 year reign IS NOT a 1,000 years of Corruption.

You just confirmed my thesis. I suspect you know that. Your age to come is saturated with sin and sinners, dying and crying, decay and disease, war and terror, and Satan and his minions. To you this does not represent corruption, but to the rest of us it does.

Thankfully this debacle will never happen. It is a figment of your imagination.

 

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In a nut shell ...
You paint a CORRUPT scenario, then call it AN OTHERS ridiculous belief.

The 1,000 year Earthly reign of Christ is NOT filled with CORRUPTION!
Christ’s 1,000 year reign IS:
Christ reigning KING of His Land, His Kingdom, His Saints...
Christ reigning KING over World mortal kings of Mortal kingdoms, Mortal men, Mortal occupied lands/nations.

Certainly there IS DEATH occurring in Mortal kingdoms/nations.
Nothing NEW, God expressly requires the Natural Life (Bodily BLOOD) of Natural Mortal Body’s of men MUST DIE. (Gen 9:5)

You have to FIRST know and understand...
HOW The earth, and it’s inhabitants BECAME filled with CORRUPTION.
THE HOW, was the caused BY SATANS power and ability and desire and PRESENCE ON THE EARTH TO:
Influence the Nations (ie inhabitants, ie manKind) AGAINST God.

SECONDLY you have to know and understand...
* The millennial reign of Christ, IS 1,000 years of His Saints, occupying Christ’s Kingdom (ie the land mass of Abraham’s Promised Land)...
* Christ occupying the Everlasting Throne God established (ie king David’s Throne in Jerusalem)...
* Mortal men establishing, occupying, reproducing, ruling, their own kingdoms (ie Nations).
* THE INFLUENCE of CHRIST and GOD’S WORD...is the ONLY world wide Spiritual INFLUENCE.
* Satan and his own band of fallen angels ARE REMOVED from the face of the earth.
* THE INFLUENCE of Satan IS NON EXISTENT on the face of the whole world.

THIRDLY you have to personally decide to believe the EFFECTS of A whole world, With ONLY Gods Word being the World wide Spiritual INFLUENCE, in the ears of Mortal men.

You are grossly mistaken, if you conclude, or think and speak on behalf of others that they HAVE concluded...THAT Christ’s Millennial Reign IS 1,000 years of CORRUPTION. <—> THAT IS FALSE!
It IS IN FACT, 1,000 years of PEACE among and between individual MORTAL Kingdoms (ie Nations).

FORTH-LY ...
* AFTER the 1,000 years have expired (been fulfilled, accomplished)
* THEN is Satan and his band of fallen angels ALLOWED access to the face of the EARTH............TO AGAIN INFLUENCE the “mortal kings..and their kingdoms / nations, ie mortal men”.......AGAINST God.

Nothing NEW...mortal kings raise armies....by, through, of; citizens of their nations, enticements, lies, deceptions, fears, threats, forcing, ordering citizens participation .........
AND Satan’s INFLUENCE, Advocation, Encouragement, ??

RELEASED from confinement and AGAIN PRESENT ON the face of the Earth to INFLUENCE mortal nations TO ATTACK AGAINST Christ’s Kingdom...

Something NEW...a QUICK DEFEAT of mortal EARTHLY nations, ie PEOPLE.
HOW...? (Bigger guns, weapons, poisons, etc.). NOPE!
HOW...? Gods WORD!

Something FOLLOWING...Spiritual Warfare ABOVE the Earth, a QUICK DEFEAT of spiritual demons, by spiritual holy angels.

THEREAFTER...Judgement, Accountability of every man who has ever been naturally born, Books of Evidence opened, Sentencing of the Divided WITH and WITHOUT God Separated....

THEN ... the whole earth Renewed, the New Jerusalem sent down from Heaven...Heaven opened up...as it is IN Heaven, so shall it be ON Earth.
Only occupants of the Face of the Earth ARE transformed faithful immortals, holy servant angels of God and the Lord God Almighty Visibly WITH “THEM”.
FOREVER. Paradise in Heaven and on Earth.
Prophecy fulfilled..accomplished...called DONE.

Rev.21​

[6] And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

You have to begin with ONE thing IN MIND.........God IS JUST.
Gods express Knowledge is revealed, distributed world wide and Every conceivable option is GIVEN manKIND, FOR manKIND to MAKE informed decisions regarding what individual men FREELY CHOOSE to believe, follow, reject....and the consequences thereof per every man’s CHOICES expressly revealed.

With Gods influences, With Satan’s influences, With wicked mens influences...
Every man can FREELY choose, what they will TRUST and follow.
Every man SHALL individually RECEIVE the consequences for their own choices.
Nothing new...men make their Choices Known...God SHALL make sure EVERY mans Choice is fulfilled, accomplished, DONE.

Christ’s 1,000 year reign IS NOT a 1,000 years of Corruption.

According to your one thousand years on this earth there will not be corruption. But neither will there be salvation. Christ will not return the second time until the fulness of the Gentiles have been saved. You say these one thousand years are for God to show He is just? How is God being just adding another one thousand years of more time for this earth that will end with the same exact corruption that began at creation?

Adding another ONE thousand more years of time for this earth is not God being just! If it were true it actually portrays God as cruel because He would be delaying for no good purpose rewarding His faithful saints with eternal life on the new earth where there will be no more curse, no more suffering, sin, death or Satan and his minions to pollute. And you see that as God being a just God? You have a very bizarre way of understanding God.

 

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You just confirmed my thesis. I suspect you know that. Your age to come is saturated with sin and sinners, dying and crying, decay and disease, war and terror, and Satan and his minions. To you this does not represent corruption, but to the rest of us it does.

Thankfully this debacle will never happen. It is a figment of your imagination.

No clue what you are talking about.....”your AGE to COME”...
Open eyes the “AGE” of saturated with sin, sinners, dying, crying, decay, disease, war, terror and Satan and his minions.......”IS NOW”.

An “AGE of 1,000 years of calm and harmony FOR MORTALS ...
“IS to COME”...

THEREAFTER ... THE END of “AGES”... “ETERNITY”!

 

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Premillenial... Why I believe...

Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh. - Matthew 24:44

And this know, that if the goodman of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched, and not have suffered his house to be broken through. Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not. - Luke 12:39-40

So... Why am I not warning folk for not going along with me? It is because Christ comes at an hour in which I think not... In which your guess is as good as mine...

And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power. But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth. - Acts 1:7-8

Until that hour gets here bathe me in your power sweet Holy Ghost!

 

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According to your one thousand years on this earth there will not be corruption. But neither will there be salvation. Christ will not return the second time until the fulness of the Gentiles have been saved. You say these one thousand years are for God to show He is just? How is God being just adding another one thousand years of more time for this earth that will end with the same exact corruption that began at creation?

Adding another ONE thousand more years of time for this earth is not God being just! If it were true it actually portrays God as cruel because He would be delaying for no good purpose rewarding His faithful saints with eternal life on the new earth where there will be no more curse, no more suffering, sin, death or Satan and his minions to pollute. And you see that as God being a just God? You have a very bizarre way of understanding God.

According TO Scripture...ManKind with God Alone...was a GOOD, peaceful Time for man.

According TO Scripture...ManKind Influenced By, Through, Of...the Presence of Satan...was a Time ManKind fell from Goodness.

According TO Scripture....ManKind SHALL experience an AGE of 1,000 years...WITHOUT the Presence and Influence of Satan...

Of course men during the AGE of Christ’s 1,000 year reign, Mortal men will Live, Be Naturally Born, Naturally Bodily Die IN BELIEF.... and thus fulfill the Requirement TO RECEIVE SALVATION.

The “fullness of Gentiles” has been coming into fruition FOR THE LAST 2,000+ Years!

* First man, Then the Hebrews, Then the Tribes of Israel, Then lastly the Gentiles...HAS BEEN FULFILLED...(and continues as mortal babies continue being naturally born).

* THE FULLNESS is NOT “about” SAVING.
* THE FULLNESS IS “about” the first man, then Hebrews, then Tribes of Israel and Lastly the Gentiles....HAVING “Gods WORD OF KNOWLEDGE”!

Have you missed the history of the last 2,000+ years? The Gentiles Hearing the Word of God, The Gentiles Preaching the Word of God TO Gentiles IN the Whole World? The Gentile Missionaries? The Gentiles via, radio, television, even internet Preaching? The Gentiles building thousands of churches? The Gentiles writing thousands of copies of Scripture in foreign Languages? The Gentiles distributing thousands of copies of Scripture in mens own Languages?

Regarding “Christ’s RETURN”...
* Are you misinformed?
* God in Heaven SENT, HIS WORD, forth out of Gods mouth, IN the FASHION AS an Earthly man, IN a Body God Prepared, FOR WHEN Gods WORD would come TO EARTH and WAS revealed ... that CAME TO PASS...and He was CALLED:
JESUS...the Son of Man...
* Scripture REVEALS, the Son of Man, LEFT Earth, RETURNED to God...AND shall RETURN to EARTH.

* Mortal men...COULD and DID SEE the Son of Man.
* Mortal men...”IF” it NOT BE the “Son of Man” who “RETURNS”...
HOW WOULD ALL MORTAL MEN UPON THE FACE OF THE EARTH “SEE” Him? (As Prophesied ALL men SHALL SEE Him)

God IS JUST, according to His All Knowing Order and Way.
Men ARE, given opportunity to Become Informed of Gods Order and Way.
The MAJORITY of Men ARE, impatient, ill informed, lazy, ignorant, devious, greedy, underhanded, and masters at using their power and influence TO:
SWAY the People at Large, TO follow “THEM”, instead of God.

Nothing NEW...you want to KNOW the FUTURE...examine the PAST.

Ecc 1:
[9] The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

You want to “UNDERSTAND” the Knowledge... That WISDOM is personally given men BY God Himself.

Glory to God,
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Of course men during the AGE of Christ’s 1,000 year reign, Mortal men will Live, Be Naturally Born, Naturally Bodily Die IN BELIEF.... and thus fulfill the Requirement TO RECEIVE SALVATION.

Can you prove, by providing verses, passages from Scripture that the Kingdom of God will still be producing faith unto salvation in fallen humans after Christ has come the second time during these one thousand years to come? Do you really believe that the Kingdom of God is not complete when Christ comes the second time?

 

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The “fullness of Gentiles” has been coming into fruition FOR THE LAST 2,000+ Years!

* First man, Then the Hebrews, Then the Tribes of Israel, Then lastly the Gentiles...HAS BEEN FULFILLED...(and continues as mortal babies continue being naturally born).

* THE FULLNESS is NOT “about” SAVING.
* THE FULLNESS IS “about” the first man, then Hebrews, then Tribes of Israel and Lastly the Gentiles....HAVING “Gods WORD OF KNOWLEDGE”!

Not according to the Apostle Paul. He tells us that when the last of the Gentiles come into the good olive tree with Jews of faith is how "all Israel shall be saved." Jews of old were ignorant of the mystery that had been hidden of Gentiles completing Israel of the faithful. Paul says once the fulness of the Gentiles have come in...come into what? Paul tells us the Gentiles who were by nature wild, must be grafted into the good olive tree with the Jews of faith. It is through the Gentiles being grafted in that is how "all Israel shall be saved". Yes, Paul is speaking specifically of salvation because he tells us "Then shall come out of Sion the Deliever, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: For this is My covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins."

Romans 11:21-24 (KJV) For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again. For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?

Romans 11:25-27 (KJV) For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

Why in verse 26 does Paul say the Deliverer shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob? All along Paul has called the nation Israel, why now when it comes to Gentiles being grafted into the olive tree of faithful Jews does Paul say Jacob instead of Israel? We find the answer in Romans 9. Where Paul, speaking of Israel says they are his kinsmen according to flesh. But just because Israel of flesh is Paul's kinsmen according, belonging to Abraham's seed, does not mean those of the flesh are sons of God. Paul says that in Isaac shall God's seed be called. It is only the children of promise who are the children of promise and accounted of the seed of faith. The seed of faith Paul is speaking of is Christ, who shall be born through Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Why only them? Because God placed His love on Jacob, and not on the natural seeds of every Jew. That's because "all Israel that shall be saved" will not be an ethnic Jewish people, but all people of faith from both Jew and Gentile believers. That's why Paul says the Deliverer shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob, not an ethnic Jewish nation, but a supernatural people of faith from throughout the whole earth.

Romans 9:8-13 (KJV) That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed. For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sara shall have a son. And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac; (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;) It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger. As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

All Israel that shall be saved according to Paul are called "the Israel of God". It matters not whether the faithful be of the circumcision or uncircumcision (Jew or Gentile) whosoever is of faith in Christ are called "the Israel of God."

Galatians 6:15-16 (KJV) For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature. And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.

 

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Can you prove, by providing verses, passages from Scripture that the Kingdom of God will still be producing faith unto salvation in fallen humans after Christ has come the second time during these one thousand years to come? Do you really believe that the Kingdom of God is not complete when Christ comes the second time?

You have avoided Gods Order and Way, and jumbled bits and pieces OUT OF ORDER, then want me to verify ACCORDING to your OUT OF ORDER mess?

No.

The problem with many men, is they CRAVE UNDERSTANDING of Gods Word, WITHOUT bothering to FIRST GAIN the Order and Way of Gods KNOWLEDGE.

I gave you a CLUE, to REVIEW History of what WAS.
I gave you a DIRECT Scriptural Quote to Hear, Read, Learn the History, to Know the future.

Nothing NEW..
Men have reproduce men FROM mans Seed...for centuries.
Men FROM a mans Corrupt Seed, ARE IN a Fallen state, from Natural Birth.

God HAS FOR CENTURIES, SINCE the Fall of the First man ... OFFERED manKIND an ORDER and WAY (According to Gods ORDER and WAY...)
FOR any willing, freely choosing man:
To become MADE, “restored”, ”changed”, “anew”.

And you are WONDERING “during Jesus’ millennial reign, with the Power of God”.... “IF” Scripture notifies you, THAT Mortal men WILL have the SAME Opportunity to be....MADE...”restored, changed, anew”?

SHOW me IN Scripture WHEREBY...you are notified...during Jesus’ millennial reign that the Opportunity FOR MORTAL men to become MADE...”restored, changed, new”......HAS BEEN Cancelled...

 

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You have avoided Gods Order and Way, and jumbled bits and pieces OUT OF ORDER, then want me to verify ACCORDING to your OUT OF ORDER mess?

No.

The problem with many men, is they CRAVE UNDERSTANDING of Gods Word, WITHOUT bothering to FIRST GAIN the Order and Way of Gods KNOWLEDGE.

I gave you a CLUE, to REVIEW History of what WAS.
I gave you a DIRECT Scriptural Quote to Hear, Read, Learn the History, to Know the future.

Nothing NEW..
Men have reproduce men FROM mans Seed...for centuries.
Men FROM a mans Corrupt Seed, ARE IN a Fallen state, from Natural Birth.

God HAS FOR CENTURIES, SINCE the Fall of the First man ... OFFERED manKIND an ORDER and WAY (According to Gods ORDER and WAY...)
FOR any willing, freely choosing man:
To become MADE, “restored”, ”changed”, “anew”.

And you are WONDERING “during Jesus’ millennial reign, with the Power of God”.... “IF” Scripture notifies you, THAT Mortal men WILL have the SAME Opportunity to be....MADE...”restored, changed, anew”?

SHOW me IN Scripture WHEREBY...you are notified...during Jesus’ millennial reign that the Opportunity FOR MORTAL men to become MADE...”restored, changed, new”......HAS BEEN Cancelled...

Another typical conglomeration of garbage doctrine promoted by milleniallists. Scripture gives you no help, which is why you have not provided proofs from Scripture for your doctrine. Your doctrine has been shown many times to be unbiblical. But like every other millennialist like yourself, you continue to promote unbiblical garbage because you would rather think yourself right than to know what truth is. The only substantial clue you promote is that you are indeed clueless when it comes to truth from the Word of God.

 

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SHOW me IN Scripture WHEREBY...you are notified...during Jesus’ millennial reign that the Opportunity FOR MORTAL men to become MADE...”restored, changed, new”......HAS BEEN Cancelled...

There will be no more salvation after Christ comes again! Because He will not come again until His Kingdom is COMPLETE! Once Christ returns and receives His own to Himself the door to eternal life will be shut. And none who do not come into Him while time remains will not be able to come into Him after the door is shut and there shall be no more time. Rev 10.

If man is not saved in this age of TIME, of which a thousand years are, they will not be saved in your imaginary ONE thousand years after Christ has come and His door of salvation closed forever.

Luke 13:24-25 (KJV) Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:

2 Corinthians 6:2 (KJV) (For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.)

Matthew 25:10 (KJV) And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.

So you'll have to use your imagination to come up with another purpose for ONE thousand more years of time on this earth after Christ has come again and His Kingdom complete.

 

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Not according to the Apostle Paul. He tells us that when the last of the Gentiles come into the good olive tree with Jews of faith is how "all Israel shall be saved." Jews of old were ignorant of the mystery that had been hidden of Gentiles completing Israel of the faithful. Paul says once the fulness of the Gentiles have come in...come into what? Paul tells us the Gentiles who were by nature wild, must be grafted into the good olive tree with the Jews of faith. It is through the Gentiles being grafted in that is how "all Israel shall be saved". Yes, Paul is speaking specifically of salvation because he tells us "Then shall come out of Sion the Deliever, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: For this is My covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins."

Romans 11:21-24 (KJV) For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again. For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?

Romans 11:25-27 (KJV) For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

Why in verse 26 does Paul say the Deliverer shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob? All along Paul has called the nation Israel, why now when it comes to Gentiles being grafted into the olive tree of faithful Jews does Paul say Jacob instead of Israel? We find the answer in Romans 9. Where Paul, speaking of Israel says they are his kinsmen according to flesh. But just because Israel of flesh is Paul's kinsmen according, belonging to Abraham's seed, does not mean those of the flesh are sons of God. Paul says that in Isaac shall God's seed be called. It is only the children of promise who are the children of promise and accounted of the seed of faith. The seed of faith Paul is speaking of is Christ, who shall be born through Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Why only them? Because God placed His love on Jacob, and not on the natural seeds of every Jew. That's because "all Israel that shall be saved" will not be an ethnic Jewish people, but all people of faith from both Jew and Gentile believers. That's why Paul says the Deliverer shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob, not an ethnic Jewish nation, but a supernatural people of faith from throughout the whole earth.

Romans 9:8-13 (KJV) That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed. For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sara shall have a son. And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac; (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;) It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger. As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

All Israel that shall be saved according to Paul are called "the Israel of God". It matters not whether the faithful be of the circumcision or uncircumcision (Jew or Gentile) whosoever is of faith in Christ are called "the Israel of God."

Galatians 6:15-16 (KJV) For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature. And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.

What are you babbling on about?

Gentiles have been for 2,000+ years world wide becoming INFORMED of the KNOWLEDGE of God.

Jews...Gentiles...BEING INFORMED of the KNOWLEDGE of God AND Jesus the Christ........Does NOT MEAN.....because one HAS KNOWLEDGE...they ARE SAVED.

There is that itty bitty thingy ABOUT INDIVIDUALS freewill of trusting to BELIEVE the Knowledge......OR NOT.

Gentiles have BEEN spreading the Word of God for 2,000+ years.
Jews have Wavered, a few Believing IN Jesus is the Christ, Many Deflecting from that Belief, and Many “reverting” to Following God still waiting for their Messiah.

KNOWLEDGE is the Key....AND WHO is Teaching the KNOWLEDGE TO WHOM.

* Gentiles have been teaching Gentiles...about God AND Jesus the Christ Messiah presence on earth, His leaving and His expected return.
* Jews have been teaching Jews...about God AND their waiting for their Messiah’s first appearance.

During the DAYS of Gods (second) Great Tribulation...
* The Already SAVED IN Christ, are excepted from being subject to: the chaos, death and destruction CAUSED by Gods Great Tribulation...Lifted UP above the face of the earth...nothing new, happened during Gods (first) Great Tribulation.

* The Jews are SENT “TEACHERS” of their own race (non-Gentiles)...to TEACH them the Gospel of Jesus the Christ Messiah.
* Men on the face of the earth...Jews and Gentiles....ARE ARMED with the KNOWLEDGE OF GOD....and all individually, freely, choosing what they DO or DO NOT believe.....and all individually, freely, choosing to STAND WITH or AGAINST God.

* Someone...some obscure person or group of persons in some remote corner of the world....MISSED hearing Gods Truth, Gods Knowledge??? They have a plea defense on Judgement Day, that they didn’t know”??

* uh, no.
Despite the 2,000+ years of Gentiles teaching Gentiles of God and Jesus the Christ Messiah and the End of days of Jews teaching Jews of the Gospel of Jesus the Christ....A SINGLE holy Angel Servant of God....PREACHES the Gospel of Jesus Christ to the WHOLE World.

*no excuses. The whole world is given the KNOWLEDGE of God.
The whole world has the freewill TO believe or reject the KNOWLEDGE of God.
The whole world has the freewill TO Stand WITH or AGAINST God.

The fullness of Gentiles has been occurring for 2,000+ years.
The fullness of ALL men upon the face of the earth being Given the KNOWLEDGE of God, occurs in a single momentary event.

Being given KNOWLEDGE, does not mean being GIVEN Salvation.

Rev 14:
[6] And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

 

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Another typical conglomeration of garbage doctrine promoted by milleniallists. Scripture gives you no help, which is why you have not provided proofs from Scripture for your doctrine. Your doctrine has been shown many times to be unbiblical. But like every other millennialist like yourself, you continue to promote unbiblical garbage because you would rather think yourself right than to know what truth is. The only substantial clue you promote is that you are indeed clueless when it comes to truth from the Word of God.

You using a broad sweeping claim of GARBAGE is a typical DEFLECTIVE tactic.

I have No requirement to read, study....FOR YOU.
You ramble on about...”UNBIBLICAL” teaching...yet identify NOTHING specific.

Did you NOT LEARN the very BASICS ?

YOU hear....YOUR JOB to search the Scriptures to VERIFY what YOU Heard IS TRUE...or NOT.

DID you DO THAT? Uh no.
YOU simply make immature whinny baby accusations, about NOTHING specific....demanding that I should read, study, and PROVE to you WHAT Scripture DOES SAY.

Come out of the playschool mentality. Open your ears, Open the Scriptures and discover for yourself what they say....THEN in the likeness of a mature adult...IDENTIFY any specific descreprencies YOU discovered.

I own you NOTHING of my TIME to read and study and look up Scriptures FOR YOU.
I own you NOTHING of my TIME to GUESS what is “SPECIFICALLY” floating around in YOUR CARNAL MIND in Disbelief.

You want someone to GUESS your “specific” thoughts...go dial up a self proclaimed psychic. Not my gig!

You want someone to DO your work FOR YOU...”go seek a fool”. Not my gig!

 

[rwb]

What are you babbling on about?

Gentiles have been for 2,000+ years world wide becoming INFORMED of the KNOWLEDGE of God.

Jews...Gentiles...BEING INFORMED of the KNOWLEDGE of God AND Jesus the Christ........Does NOT MEAN.....because one HAS KNOWLEDGE...they ARE SAVED.

There is that itty bitty thingy ABOUT INDIVIDUALS freewill of trusting to BELIEVE the Knowledge......OR NOT.

Gentiles have BEEN spreading the Word of God for 2,000+ years.
Jews have Wavered, a few Believing IN Jesus is the Christ, Many Deflecting from that Belief, and Many “reverting” to Following God still waiting for their Messiah.

KNOWLEDGE is the Key....AND WHO is Teaching the KNOWLEDGE TO WHOM.

* Gentiles have been teaching Gentiles...about God AND Jesus the Christ Messiah presence on earth, His leaving and His expected return.
* Jews have been teaching Jews...about God AND their waiting for their Messiah’s first appearance.

During the DAYS of Gods (second) Great Tribulation...
* The Already SAVED IN Christ, are excepted from being subject to: the chaos, death and destruction CAUSED by Gods Great Tribulation...Lifted UP above the face of the earth...nothing new, happened during Gods (first) Great Tribulation.

* The Jews are SENT “TEACHERS” of their own race (non-Gentiles)...to TEACH them the Gospel of Jesus the Christ Messiah.
* Men on the face of the earth...Jews and Gentiles....ARE ARMED with the KNOWLEDGE OF GOD....and all individually, freely, choosing what they DO or DO NOT believe.....and all individually, freely, choosing to STAND WITH or AGAINST God.

* Someone...some obscure person or group of persons in some remote corner of the world....MISSED hearing Gods Truth, Gods Knowledge??? They have a plea defense on Judgement Day, that they didn’t know”??

* uh, no.
Despite the 2,000+ years of Gentiles teaching Gentiles of God and Jesus the Christ Messiah and the End of days of Jews teaching Jews of the Gospel of Jesus the Christ....A SINGLE holy Angel Servant of God....PREACHES the Gospel of Jesus Christ to the WHOLE World.

*no excuses. The whole world is given the KNOWLEDGE of God.
The whole world has the freewill TO believe or reject the KNOWLEDGE of God.
The whole world has the freewill TO Stand WITH or AGAINST God.

The fullness of Gentiles has been occurring for 2,000+ years.
The fullness of ALL men upon the face of the earth being Given the KNOWLEDGE of God, occurs in a single momentary event.

Being given KNOWLEDGE, does not mean being GIVEN Salvation.

Rev 14:
[6] And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

Repetition of the same tired trash does not make it not trash! Since you offered one verse of Scripture lets dig more deeply into this verse. John is first shown a vision of Old Covenant faithful saints on mount Sion in heaven with the Lamb. Notice they are numbered an hundred forty and four thousand. This is one clue in the passage to prove John is seeing Old Covenant faithful saints with the Lord in heaven. (See Rev 7). John says they were redeemed from the earth, not defiled by women, but virgins who follow the Lamb wherever He goes. John writes they were redeemed from among men, "FIRSTFRUITS" unto God and to the Lamb, without fault before the throne of God.

Revelation 14:1 (KJV) And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
Revelation 14:2-5 (KJV) And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.

How are these 144,000 now in heaven since in Rev 7 John writes they are from all the tribes of the children of Israel? Rev 7 tells us they were sealed by the Holy Spirit who gives eternal life to whosoever is of faith. It is not surprising that when John sees them again, is after they are sealed by the Spirit, and why they are with Christ in heaven. Since they died in faith before Pentecost, when Christ sent the Holy Spirit to give eternal life to the faithful, they could not go to heaven until being sealed with eternal life through the Spirit. Since His cross and resurrection before Christ ascended to the Father in heaven He first went into the lower parts of the earth to set free the Old Covenant faithful saints that died in faith waiting for their Messiah to come and set them free.

Ephesians 4:8-10 (KJV) Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)

Now we can move on to the one verse you quoted. After seeing a vision of Old Covenant saints in heaven John is told the work of sending the Gospel unto all the earth has only just begun. The Old Covenant faithful saints, Jews of faith, have now ascended to heaven with Christ, but the everlasting Gospel must still be preached unto all them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue and people. Salvation is not limited to the Old Covenant faithful saints, and the Kingdom of God will not be complete until people from throughout the earth hear the Gospel proclaimed in the power of His Spirit, and all who by grace through faith believe Christ shall also be saved. When the complete number from the Gentile nations have been saved, the Kingdom of God shall be complete, and no more shall come into the Kingdom.

Revelation 14:6-7 (KJV) And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

 

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You using a broad sweeping claim of GARBAGE is a typical DEFLECTIVE tactic.

I have No requirement to read, study....FOR YOU.
You ramble on about...”UNBIBLICAL” teaching...yet identify NOTHING specific.

Did you NOT LEARN the very BASICS ?

YOU hear....YOUR JOB to search the Scriptures to VERIFY what YOU Heard IS TRUE...or NOT.

DID you DO THAT? Uh no.
YOU simply make immature whinny baby accusations, about NOTHING specific....demanding that I should read, study, and PROVE to you WHAT Scripture DOES SAY.

Come out of the playschool mentality. Open your ears, Open the Scriptures and discover for yourself what they say....THEN in the likeness of a mature adult...IDENTIFY any specific descreprencies YOU discovered.

I own you NOTHING of my TIME to read and study and look up Scriptures FOR YOU.
I own you NOTHING of my TIME to GUESS what is “SPECIFICALLY” floating around in YOUR CARNAL MIND in Disbelief.

You want someone to GUESS your “specific” thoughts...go dial up a self proclaimed psychic. Not my gig!

You want someone to DO your work FOR YOU...”go seek a fool”. Not my gig!

I use garbage to describe replies devoid of Scripture. This is after all a forum for studying the Bible. Not man's opinions.

 

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Repetition of the same tired trash does not make it not trash! Since you offered one verse of Scripture lets dig more deeply into this verse. John is first shown a vision of Old Covenant faithful saints on mount Sion in heaven with the Lamb. Notice they are numbered an hundred forty and four thousand. This is one clue in the passage to prove John is seeing Old Covenant faithful saints with the Lord in heaven. (See Rev 7). John says they were redeemed from the earth, not defiled by women, but virgins who follow the Lamb wherever He goes. John writes they were redeemed from among men, "FIRSTFRUITS" unto God and to the Lamb, without fault before the throne of God.

Revelation 14:1 (KJV) And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
Revelation 14:2-5 (KJV) And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.

How are these 144,000 now in heaven since in Rev 7 John writes they are from all the tribes of the children of Israel? Rev 7 tells us they were sealed by the Holy Spirit who gives eternal life to whosoever is of faith. It is not surprising that when John sees them again, is after they are sealed by the Spirit, and why they are with Christ in heaven. Since they died in faith before Pentecost, when Christ sent the Holy Spirit to give eternal life to the faithful, they could not go to heaven until being sealed with eternal life through the Spirit. Since His cross and resurrection before Christ ascended to the Father in heaven He first went into the lower parts of the earth to set free the Old Covenant faithful saints that died in faith waiting for their Messiah to come and set them free.

Ephesians 4:8-10 (KJV) Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)

Now we can move on to the one verse you quoted. After seeing a vision of Old Covenant saints in heaven John is told the work of sending the Gospel unto all the earth has only just begun. The Old Covenant faithful saints, Jews of faith, have now ascended to heaven with Christ, but the everlasting Gospel must still be preached unto all them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue and people. Salvation is not limited to the Old Covenant faithful saints, and the Kingdom of God will not be complete until people from throughout the earth hear the Gospel proclaimed in the power of His Spirit, and all who by grace through faith believe Christ shall also be saved. When the complete number from the Gentile nations have been saved, the Kingdom of God shall be complete, and no more shall come into the Kingdom.

Revelation 14:6-7 (KJV) And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

Is there a SPECIFIC ACCUSATION OF “TRASH” somewhere in your long post?
I didn’t see it....thus nothing SPECIFIC for me to address.

 

[WPM]

No clue what you are talking about.....”your AGE to COME”...
Open eyes the “AGE” of saturated with sin, sinners, dying, crying, decay, disease, war, terror and Satan and his minions.......”IS NOW”.

An “AGE of 1,000 years of calm and harmony FOR MORTALS ...
“IS to COME”...

THEREAFTER ... THE END of “AGES”... “ETERNITY”!

You admitted it in your last post. You are fighting with yourself. Your pristine perfect millennium is a perfect delusion. It is saturated with billions of mortal religious phonies as the sand of the sea who abandon Christ and follow Satan.

 

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Is there a SPECIFIC ACCUSATION OF “TRASH” somewhere in your long post?
I didn’t see it....thus nothing SPECIFIC for me to address.

As I have said, since this is a Bible study forum, when you come with doctrine devoid of Scripture, it bears the name trash, because it is opinion without Scripture to prove what you assume to be truth. All you've proven is that you have no support from the Word of God!

 

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I use garbage to describe replies devoid of Scripture. This is after all a forum for studying the Bible. Not man's opinions.

Adults FAMILIAR with Scripture routinely have Discussions ABOUT Scripture.
Adults UNINFORMED about what they HEAR, search the Scriptures and if they can not FIND IN Scripture to VERIFY what they SPECIFICALLY HEARD...they ASK the Speaker ABOUT that SPECIFIC thing.

THEN there are the men IN Adult Body’s WITH an a Juvenile bully mentality, using broad sweeping accusations, VOID of any Specific.

Your accusations of “garbage, trash, demanding I prove to you what I say IS Scriptural”.... is laughable on its face.

I read, I study, I am content with MY SPECIFIC Beliefs, MY SPECIFIC Understanding...

Do you REALLY think your Laziness, your accusations, your name calling, your bullying, your lack of ability to identify anything specific ...
SOME HOW, elevates you in a credible position? It doesn’t. It just simply makes you look like substance lacking accusatory bully.