22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

[Truth7t7]

First of all, it will never happen.

Secondly, think about it: do you really believe that Satan is going to be able to turn the hearts of the millennial kingdom at his mere appearance? The so-called future Premil millennium of peace, prosperity and plenty descends into an unmitigated farce at the end in tears, turmoil, and tragedy. Anarchy, revolt and mayhem break out throughout the nations at the very appearance of Satan. The millennial kingdom crumbles apart as the millennial inhabitants turn from obeying Christ en-masse to following Lucifer.

What are you talking about? The Premil millennium is the most self-deceived era human creation has ever known. Despite Christ ruling in unprecedented power and glory with a “rod of iron” for a thousand yrs over the nations with supposed wholesale submission, Satan is able to pull the rug from under Christ at the drop of a hat and woo the millennial inheritors to himself. I mean: they are supposedly watching Jesus reign in perfect righteousness and unchallenged glory with the glorified saints. What a company of messed up individuals. What a turn-around! This is the biggest evangelistic bust in history ... and all on Christ's watch. So much for the power of the rod of iron!!!

Sounds like you would be a good writer for (Tim La Haye) author of the sci-fi left behind series,

Paul the writer in starting a new sci-fi sequel, "The Millennial Kingdom" and "Satan's Destruction", New York Times Best Seller!

 

[WPM]

Sounds like you would be a good writer for Tim LaHaye author of the sci-fi left behind series, in starting a new sci-fi sequel, "The Millennial Kingdom" and "Satan's Destruction", New York Times Best Seller!

These are the obvious and tragic implications of the Premil viewpoint.

 

[Randy Kluth]

No idols. I love the truth and it is that that you have an issue with. Continue your campaign of hate if you wish but it doesn't bother me one bit. I don't see it gaining any support for your arguments - venting never does. It just adds credence to your opponents.

If you're looking for converts to your style of Christianity, count me out.

 

[Truth7t7]

If you're looking for converts to your style of Christianity, count me out.

I was thinking the same about your Zionist beliefs and teachings, walking down the yellow brick road to your Zionist Kingdom on this earth?

A self serving fairy tale, void of scriptural truth!

Jesus Is The Lord

 

[Taken]

Stop avoiding the evidence.

LOL...I stated my objective and my evidence for my objective.

Avoiding evidence...of what? No clue what is your objective. Just see a bunch of convoluted posts mixed with your wacky commentaries, snarky jabs and accusations. Zzz

 

[WPM]

LOL...I stated my objective and my evidence for my objective.

Avoiding evidence...of what? No clue what is your objective. Just see a bunch of convoluted posts mixed with your wacky commentaries, snarky jabs and accusations. Zzz

Evasive sound bites are all you are left with. You do not present hard biblical evidence because you do not have it. Your cry is "what saith Rev 20." That is the Premil mantra. Every other passage presented is dismissed if it disagrees with your opinion of Revelation 20. Premil has only got one string to their guitar. That is why every Bible student should reject it. Amils on the other hand embrace the full gamut of Scripture which shows that sin, death, decay, Satan and the wicked are destroyed at the second coming.

Amils prefer the motto of Paul in Apostle in Romans 4:3: “For what saith the Scripture?"

 

[Taken]

Evasive sound bites are all you are left with. You do not present hard biblical evidence. Your cry is "what saith Rev 20." That is the Premil mantra. Every other passage presented is dismissed if it disagrees with your opinion of Revelation 20. Premil has only got one string in their guitar. That is why every Bible student should reject it. Amils on the other hand embrace the full gamut of Scripture which shows that sin, death, decay, Satan and the wicked are destroyed at the second coming.

No the Lord God Almighty is not confined to Rev 20...no matter how many times you repeat a lie, it’s still ... uh, a lie.

How Awesome and Omnipresent IS the Lord God...

The Lord descends from Heaven to the Clouds...
The Church meets the Lord in the air.
The Lamb of God sits in heaven Opening each of the Seven SEALS.

A Lamb accompanies tribes of ISRAEL on mt Sion.
Son of Man appears on a white cloud.
King of kings appears on a white horse.
Christ rules in His earthly Kingdom 1,000 years.
God has the Judgement Books....judges, sentences

New Heavens, New Earth, New Jerusalem comes down from Heaven sits on a mt top with the Lambs Bride, comes with the New Jerusalem.
The Bright Morning Star.
Alpha and Omega.
Lord God Almighty is God of All redeemed and glorified.
Spirit and the bride will invite the thirsty to come and drink.

No passport necessary.
Receipt of Salvation, Quickening, Glorified Body Required for Occupancy.

 

[WPM]

No the Lord God Almighty is not confined to Rev 20...no matter how many times you repeat a lie, it’s still ... uh, a lie.

How Awesome and Omnipresent IS the Lord God...

The Lord descends from Heaven to the Clouds...
The Church meets the Lord in the air.
The Lamb of God sits in heaven Opening each of the Seven SEALS.

A Lamb accompanies tribes of ISRAEL on mt Sion.
Son of Man appears on a white cloud.
King of kings appears on a white horse.
Christ rules in His earthly Kingdom 1,000 years.
God has the Judgement Books....judges, sentences

New Heavens, New Earth, New Jerusalem comes down from Heaven sits on a mt top with the Lambs Bride, comes with the New Jerusalem.
The Bright Morning Star.
Alpha and Omega.
Lord God Almighty is God of All redeemed and glorified.
Spirit and the bride will invite the thirsty to come and drink.

No passport necessary.
Receipt of Salvation, Quickening, Glorified Body Required for Occupancy.

This is a total distraction. How does this support your opinion of Rev 20? There is nothing here that addresses the issue. This avoidance just serves to reinforce my point do you have nothing to support your private interpretation. This is all your own words and speculations. This is typical of your doctrine.

 

[Taken]

This is a total distraction. How does this support your opinion of Rev 20?

What are you still whining about in Rev 20?

There is nothing here that addresses the issue. This avoidance just serves to reinforce my point do you have nothing to support your private interpretation. This is all your own words and speculations. This is typical of your doctrine.

LOL...my post revealed a quick list of the Church rapture and the interventions of the Lord, the Lamb, the Son of Man, the King, etc. during the Trib and following.

Surely for as long as you have been ANTI Premil....you have been shown all the supportive scriptures.

 

[Taken]

These are the obvious and tragic implications of the Premil viewpoint.

Premil view points are tragic....How funny.
Either you are sav-ED and secured or you are winging it.
I am Sav-ED, my view point of Jesus’ millennial reign has ZERO effect on my Salvation!

 

[WPM]

What are you still whining about in Rev 20?



LOL...my post revealed a quick list of the Church rapture and the interventions of the Lord, the Lamb, the Son of Man, the King, etc. during the Trib and following.

Surely for as long as you have been ANTI Premil....you have been shown all the supportive scriptures.

I know that belief. I used to hold to it. What i am asking is: where does it teach that in the Bible?

... and, no, there is no valid supporting Scripture for Premil. That is why you cannot produce it.

 

[Taken]

...It teach that....

Not going to do a commentary.
You want to ask something specific, use a complete sensible question.

 

[WPM]

Not going to do a commentary.
You want to ask something specific, use a complete sensible question.

Like i said. You have nothing. If you had you would show it.

 

[Taken]

Like i said. You have nothing. If you had you would show it.

LOL...prodding bully tactic fail!

 

[WPM]

LOL...prodding bully tactic fail!

Check mate! Pretrib has no proof-text, and Premil has no corroboration. You just confirm what the rest of us know.

 

[Taken]

Check mate! Pretrib has no proof-text, and Premil has no corroboration. You just confirm what the rest of us know.

LOL Nothing more amusing then watching a clown patting himself on the back yelling I WON...when he was the only participant...

 

[WPM]

LOL Nothing more amusing then watching a clown patting himself on the back yelling I WON...when he was the only participant...

You have a lovely way with words.

No evidence plus no evidence equals no evidence. :)

 

[Taken]

You have a lovely way with words.

Thank you.

No evidence plus no evidence equals no evidence. :)

And that would be your problem, not mine.

 

[jeffweeder]

LOL...my post revealed a quick list of the Church rapture and the interventions of the Lord, the Lamb, the Son of Man, the King, etc. during the Trib and following.

Surely for as long as you have been ANTI Premil....you have been shown all the supportive scriptures.

Not really. It's all rather vague to be honest.
Show me where the Lord Jesus in his own words teaches a pretrib rapture.

Paul taught according to the Lords own word...,


1Thess 4
15 For we say this to you by the Lord’s [own] word, that we who are still alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will in no way precede [into His presence] those [believers] who have fallen asleep [in death]. 16 For the Lord Himself will come down from heaven with a shout of command, with the voice of the archangel and with the [blast of the] trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain [on the earth] will simultaneously be caught up (raptured) together with them [the resurrected ones] in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord! 18 Therefore comfort and encourage one another with these words [concerning our reunion with believers who have died].

What did Jesus say about his coming?
Shouldn't be too hard for you to find.


While you're at it tell me where he taught Premill using those scriptures where he teaches us about his own coming.

 

[Truth7t7]

Check mate! Pretrib has no proof-text, and Premil has no corroboration. You just confirm what the rest of us know.

I agree, pushed into a corner of personal attacks and childish antics, because they have no other option, a Millennial Kingdom on this earth doesn't exist in scripture