Do Men Have Authority Over Women?

[reformed1689]

I said that I don't agree with it, does that not mean that I don't think it's Biblical?

Do I need to say those exact words?

Yes, I'm asking you a yes or no question. Is it biblical. So, let's assume you do not think it is, even though you won't come out and say it, so you disagree with your church on at least one major point of marriage. So how do you know your pastors aren't incorrect in your situation as well? Food for thought.

 

[Naomanos]

I think all husbands need to continually change as well. There is no perfect husband out there, myself included.

Okay, I can agree with that. Let me further clarify what I meant.

Maybe in regards to submission I am what He wants me to be and I don't need to change.

 

[reformed1689]

Okay, I can agree with that. Let me further clarify what I meant.

Maybe in regards to submission I am what He wants me to be and I don't need to change.

Haha! You just agree because I said I'm not perfect lol ;) :)

 

[atpollard]

You know what they say about assumptions, right? I reject your interpretation of the Bible and your opinions.

• [Lev 18:22 NASB95] 22 'You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.
  
• [Lev 18:22 KJV] 22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it [is] abomination.
  
• [Lev 18:22 NIV] 22 " 'Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.
  
• [Lev 18:22 NLT] 22 "Do not practice homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman. It is a detestable sin.
  
• [Lev 18:22 ESV] 22 You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.
  
• [Lev 18:22 YLT] 22 'And with a male thou dost not lie as one lieth with a woman; abomination it [is].
  

Is this Bible Verse really so unclear that it is open to interpretation?
Is the rejection of homosexual unions really “opinions” or is it clearly Scriptural?

You can disagree and you can reject what scripture says, but it is dishonest to claim that scripture is unclear or that it is just somebody’s “opinion”.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

And nobody said anything about stopping them. I asked you a simple question if it was biblical. Which you still have not directly answered. You said they shouldn't but you didn't say it was not biblical.

why are you bringing that into it? The only reason I can think of is to attack credibility by deflection.

 

[Naomanos]

Yes, I'm asking you a yes or no question. Is it biblical. So, let's assume you do not think it is, even though you won't come out and say it, so you disagree with your church on at least one major point of marriage. So how do you know your pastors aren't incorrect in your situation as well? Food for thought.

Do you agree with every single thing your church does or espouses?

Because I have brought this in prayer before the Lord and He has brought confirmation that the way I want we want to do our marriage is not against Him.

I prayed today while at work and had two perfect strangers, Christians, that have said the Lord has put this on their heart and that my marriage will be God honoring and Biblical.

 

[marks]

But I am saying the husband, under Christ, is the final authority in a home. It is not a joint effort in that sense. Now, I am also NOT SAYING that we should not seek input from our wives. We most definitely should. And I am also not saying that there are not things we can be joint leaders on. We definitely can. But the final authority, under Christ, rests in the husband, not the wife.

I have not argued that.

?

Whatever you say, she must do. Final authority.

Get in the car! We're going on vacation! But you know I can't handle that kind of weather! I don't care! What I say goes! GET IN THE CAR NOW!

That's authority.

We're taking a vacation, we all need a break. Where shall we go? I want everyone's participation.

That's headship.

 

[bbyrd009]

Say you have elementary aged kids. Your wife, all of a sudden, decides they are not going to go to church anymore. Do you talk it out until you come to an agreement or do you continue to take the kids to church? There is only one right answer here.

is there? Insert the “church” you most disagree with, and then how does your answer change :)

 

[Naomanos]

• [Lev 18:22 NASB95] 22 'You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.
  
• [Lev 18:22 KJV] 22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it [is] abomination.
  
• [Lev 18:22 NIV] 22 " 'Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.
  
• [Lev 18:22 NLT] 22 "Do not practice homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman. It is a detestable sin.
  
• [Lev 18:22 ESV] 22 You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.
  
• [Lev 18:22 YLT] 22 'And with a male thou dost not lie as one lieth with a woman; abomination it [is].

Is this Bible Verse really so unclear that it is open to interpretation?
Is the rejection of homosexual unions really “opinions” or is it clearly Scriptural?

You can disagree and you can reject what scripture says, but it is dishonest to claim that scripture is unclear or that it is just somebody’s “opinion”.

This is your opinion, "so they may not be the best source for accurate Biblical interpretation."

That is what I disagreed with. I pose the same question to you I did to reformed, do you agree with everything your church espouses or does?

 

[bbyrd009]

So yes, you have a problem with Scripture here

im just imagining you telling that to Ruth, or Naomi
lol

 

[Naomanos]

why are you bringing that into it? The only reason I can think of is to attack credibility by deflection.

I had the same thought, but answered anyway.

 

[reformed1689]

Do you agree with every single thing your church does or espouses?

Because I have brought this in prayer before the Lord and He has brought confirmation that the way I want we want to do our marriage is not against Him.

I prayed today while at work and had two perfect strangers, Christians, that have said the Lord has put this on their heart and that my marriage will be God honoring and Biblical.

If I did not fully agree with my church on important matters such as marriage, I would not in good conscience be able to attend the same church. The Episcopal church is one that you should flee because they do not follow the Bible.

 

[reformed1689]

im just imagining you telling that to Ruth, or Naomi
lol

How are they even relevant to this discussion?

 

[reformed1689]

This is your opinion, "so they may not be the best source for accurate Biblical interpretation."

That is what I disagreed with. I pose the same question to you I did to reformed, do you agree with everything your church espouses or does?

If they follow teaching that is blatantly against Scripture how could they possibly be a good source for accurate biblical interpretation? How do you know what to trust and what not to trust? And still, you have not given any biblical support for your position on marriage, the most you have given is that your pastors say its good to go and you go with them, even though they follow unbiblical teaching on gay marriage. Not exactly good ground here.

 

[marks]

Perhaps I misread. I didn't see that you switched the roles. No if the husband is openly sinning, the wife should take the kids to church and get the leaders of the church involved to confront the husband.

So it's OK for the wife to defy the husband in this case. OK. Good.

So your view is not absolute.

Much love!

 

[reformed1689]

So it's OK for the wife to defy the husband in this case. OK. Good.

So your view is not absolute.

Much love!

I have said many times, under Christ.

 

[marks]

I didn't say anything about WHERE you take your kids. I said her position is that they no longer go to church, as in at all.

OK, I'm meaning in general, this is just one part of married life.

At the end of the day, my understanding is that we receive responsibility, not authority, in our headship. And taking this to mean authority, puts us into an authoritarian mindset that can turn us into a bull in a china shop, and tends to do just that. Power tends to corrupt.

Much love!

 

[reformed1689]

is there? Insert the “church” you most disagree with, and then how does your answer change :)

That's not the scenario.

 

[Naomanos]

If I did not fully agree with my church on important matters such as marriage, I would not in good conscience be able to attend the same church. The Episcopal church is one that you should flee because they do not follow the Bible.

I will not flee the Episcopal Church.

 

[reformed1689]

I will not flee the Episcopal Church.

Then you affirm their teaching by association.