Christians and Jews are both anti Acts 2:38.

[Lifelong_sinner]

Doctrine all over the place? I am a member of the Lords church, Romans 16:16.
I dont have a doctrine.
I follow the doctrine of Jesus Christ.

How does God call us?
The bible teaches through the gospel is how we are called,
Romans 10:17
So then faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God.
The gospel is where we get faith.
If faith comes from a miraculous direct operation before hearing and believing the gospel.
Then the gospel is not the power to save, Romans 1:16.
What saves in calvinistic doctrine is a miracle directly from the Holy Spirit before faith!
Nowhere does the scriptures teach a miracle must occur for us to believe.
If the scriptures did, they would contradict the passages that teach we believe through hearing the gospel.
1Corinthians 4:15
....for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.
Again Paul teaches we are saved, born again by obeying the gospel.
Not before believing and obeying the gospel like in calvinism.

Regenerated before faith? Not according to the Bible.

faith is the avenue or the instrument God uses to bring salvation to His people. God gives faith because of His grace and mercy, because He loves us (Ephesians 4—5). Faith comes from God in the form of a gift (Ephesians 2:8).

but im curious about what you call faith. Faith does come from the Word, but not all that hear it have faith.

Faith is a gift of the Lord to undeserving people, the outworking of God’s electing grace and the atonement of Jesus for His own. Ephesians 2:8 confirms the truth that faith is ultimately a gift of God. To put it in theological categories: regeneration precedes faith.

Faith is a gift from God, so that no one may boast. Or, as Romans 12:3 says, So that we will not think too highly of ourselves. The last bastion of pride is the belief that we are the originators of our faith.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Didn't realize that - but not surprised by your uncertainty. If the saved and the lost were designated to be such according to some ancient divine blueprint that precedes Adam, it's no wonder that we're left wondering who's who in the human zoo.

BTW, Matthew 24:12-13 KJV completely overthrows OSAS because there we read that many saints will allow abounding iniquity to kill their agape cold and dead, leaving them in the same wretched condition as the rejected Laodiceans who will be spat out of Jesus' mouth simply for lukewarmness.

I think not. "Those who endure shall be saved" is just another way of saying thise who have faith.
Those whose "love will wax cold" were never saved.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Sorry, that was a typo...I meant Proverbs 28:13 KJV.

I believe that verse applies to this life, not the next.

 

[Titus]

faith is the avenue or the instrument God uses to bring salvation to His people. God gives faith because of His grace and mercy, because He loves us (Ephesians 4—5). Faith comes from God in the form of a gift (Ephesians 2:8).

but im curious about what you call faith. Faith does come from the Word, but not all that hear it have faith.

Faith is a gift of the Lord to undeserving people, the outworking of God’s electing grace and the atonement of Jesus for His own. Ephesians 2:8 confirms the truth that faith is ultimately a gift of God. To put it in theological categories: regeneration precedes faith.

Faith is a gift from God, so that no one may boast. Or, as Romans 12:3 says, So that we will not think too highly of ourselves. The last bastion of pride is the belief that we are the originators of our faith.

If regeneration precedes faith. Then we are saved not by the gospel but by a miracle direct from God. You just took all the power the gospel out of salvation. God gives us the ability to believe. That is why it is a gift.
It is not pride to believe I can have faith when God gives it freely to anyone who searchers for truth.

If the calvinistic way of salvation be true, then the Holy Spirit operates apart from the Bible, directly saving us by miraculous Holy Spirit regeneration.
This completely eliminates the need for the bible, the gospel to be saved.
This goes against the Biblical teaching that the Bible is all we need.
Did you know the Bible teaches it is all sufficient?
Read and learn that nothing outside the Biblical gospel is required to save us.
2Timothy 3:16-17
All Scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be COMPLETE/PERFECT thoroughly equipped for every good work.
Now this is a matter of whether you are going to believe the Bible or not.
The word of God teaches it is all that is needed to throughly equip us for all all spiritual work.
That means it is complete for us to know how to be saved by it and to teach others how to be saved with it.

We do not need the Holy Spirit to come directly to us apart from His revelation to save us.
It is the gospel itself that is how we are born again,
1Corinthians 4:15 ... for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.
We are born again through the gospel. The Bible is how we are saved NOT APART FROM IT LIKE CALVINISM TEACHES.
Regeneration is being born again. Therefore we are regenerated by the gospel not by a miracle outside the gospel before belief.
1Peter 1:23 having been born again(regenerated), not of corruptible seed but incorruptible, THROUGH THE WORD OF GOD which lives and abides forever.

Here is more evidence we are saved by the perfect Bible that is capable of equipping us with all that we need spiritually.

More proof the gospel regenerates us, makes us born again. Not a direct miracle by the Holy Spirit apart from believing and obeying the gospel.
Titus 3:5 not by works of righteousness that we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, THROUGH THE WASHING OF REGENERATION AND RENEWING OF THE HOLY SPIRIT.

Where does this washing of regeneration take place? Before outside of the gospel?
It occurs in the gospel. The gospel teaches us how to be washed from sin. When we are washed from our sins, we are regenerated.
Washing is water baptism, This all occurs by the word, the gospel.
Ephesians 5:26 that he might sanctify and cleanse her with the washing of water by the word.

Regeneration happens in water baptism.
When our sins are washed away we are born again, regenerated,

Mark 26:28 For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS.
Acts 2:38 Then Peter said to them, repent and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Forgiveness of sins from Jesus shed blood,
Forgiveness of sins from repentance and water baptism.

Repent and be baptized FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS. Acts 2:38
My blood, which is shed FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS. Matthew 26:28

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

If regeneration precedes faith. Then we are saved not by the gospel but by a miracle direct from God. You just took all the power the gospel out of salvation. God gives us the ability to believe. That is why it is a gift.
It is not pride to believe I can have faith when God gives it freely to anyone who searchers for truth.

If the calvinistic way of salvation be true, then the Holy Spirit operates apart from the Bible, directly saving us by miraculous Holy Spirit regeneration.
This completely eliminates the need for the bible, the gospel to be saved.
This goes against the Biblical teaching that the Bible is all we need.
Did you know the Bible teaches it is all sufficient?
Read and learn that nothing outside the Biblical gospel is required to save us.
2Timothy 3:16-17
All Scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be COMPLETE/PERFECT thoroughly equipped for every good work.
Now this is a matter of whether you are going to believe the Bible or not.
The word of God teaches it is all that is needed to throughly equip us for all all spiritual work.
That means it is complete for us to know how to be saved by it and to teach others how to be saved with it.

We do not need the Holy Spirit to come directly to us apart from His revelation to save us.
It is the gospel itself that is how we are born again,
1Corinthians 4:15 ... for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.
We are born again through the gospel. The Bible is how we are saved NOT APART FROM IT LIKE CALVINISM TEACHES.
Regeneration is being born again. Therefore we are regenerated by the gospel not by a miracle outside the gospel before belief.
1Peter 1:23 having been born again(regenerated), not of corruptible seed but incorruptible, THROUGH THE WORD OF GOD which lives and abides forever.

Here is more evidence we are saved by the perfect Bible that is capable of equipping us with all that we need spiritually.

More proof the gospel regenerates us, makes us born again. Not a direct miracle by the Holy Spirit apart from believing and obeying the gospel.
Titus 3:5 not by works of righteousness that we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, THROUGH THE WASHING OF REGENERATION AND RENEWING OF THE HOLY SPIRIT.

Where does this washing of regeneration take place? Before outside of the gospel?
It occurs in the gospel. The gospel teaches us how to be washed from sin. When we are washed from our sins, we are regenerated.
Washing is water baptism, This all occurs by the word, the gospel.
Ephesians 5:26 that he might sanctify and cleanse her with the washing of water by the word.

Regeneration happens in water baptism.
When our sins are washed away we are born again, regenerated,

Mark 26:28 For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS.
Acts 2:38 Then Peter said to them, repent and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Forgiveness of sins from Jesus shed blood,
Forgiveness of sins from repentance and water baptism.

Repent and be baptized FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS. Acts 2:38
My blood, which is shed FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS. Matthew 26:28

your doctrine is terrible. Baptism doesnt save, and regeneration comes before faith. It is because of regeneration that the gospel will change you. Also, the Holy Spirit works with the gospel. If a person hears the gospel, feels convicted, that is the Holy Spirit working in them. There are those who hear the gospel, yet dont believe/dont feel convicted. Why?? Why did pharoah not listen to moses?? God hardens the hearts of the non-elect, like pharoah.

this is my confessional that us presbyterians use. I HIGHLY recommend reading it as it will answer any question you have.

Confession of Faith: The Orthodox Presbyterian Church

 

[mailmandan]

Jesus taught to believe you must believe in Him, 1Corinthians 15:1-4.
Jesus taught to have faith, you must believe in His word.
Jesus taught that faith and baptism saves, Mark 16:15-16.
Therefore if you do not believe what Jesus said, "he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved....
You are not a believer.
Salvation comes from believing in Him and His word,
John 5:24
Most assuredly I say to you, he who HEARS MY WORD and believes in Him who sent Me has eternal life, and shall not come into judgement, but has passed from death into life.

You don't believe you have to be baptized to be saved. You do not have faith in Jesus' word.

We are saved by obeying commandments,
1John 3:23-24
And this is His COMMANDMENT that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ....

Danthemailman, do you think you can be saved by not obeying Jesus' commandment to believe?

Do you think you can be saved without obey Gods commandments?
Then you believe you can be saved without faith.

To believe in Jesus “unto salvation” is to trust in the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation. (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) If you trust in Jesus Christ PLUS SOMETHING ELSE (water baptism, sabbath keeping, law keeping, works in general) for salvation AND NOT IN CHRIST ALONE then you are not a believer).

Those who have faith believe in His word. Jesus taught that whoever does not believe will be condemned (Mark 16:16(b); John 3:18) and not whoever is not baptized will be condemned as I already explained in post #714. I have faith in Jesus’ word. I just don’t have faith in your “misinterpretation” of Jesus’ word that results in “salvation by works.”

I believe on the name of the Son of God and I know that I have eternal life. (1 John 5:13 - Praise God!) so I already obeyed the commandment to believe. Nobody except Jesus Christ has flawlessly obeyed ALL of God’s commandments, so that is not the way to salvation. (Romans 3:23; 6:23)

 

[Truther]

Truther, as a Christian, you're supposed to be a fruit inspector. Are you telling me you don't know what is the criteria for inspecting fruit? Check out Leviticus 19:17 KJV ;) (please refer to the KJV, not this flawed hover-version)

I am KJVO. Glad you are also.

I stopped inspecting others' fruit years ago and found a full time job inspecting my own;).

 

[Truther]

How could be saved before you are baptized by the Holy Spirit? Your statement contradicts itself.
I hope you are not implying that water baptism saves? It is your belief in Christ that saves as it did with those who believed in Christ on Pentecost. They were saved instantly - not by water baptism, but by the baptism of the Holy Spirit.
Thebthief next to Chrjst was not water baptized, yet he was granted entrance into Paradise that day.

Water baptism does save....

21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.


No?

Fact is, the Holy Ghost leads folks to salvation per the above verses, not trumps them.

 

[Truther]

thats not how you get baptized. It has to be in the name of all three of the Trinity. You pentecostals just have such bad theology concerning salvation. If acts 2:38 is true, than that means matthew 28:19 isnt.

What is the name of the son per Matt 28:19?

1..."son"?

2..."Jesus"?

If you say "Jesus", then obey the command precisely and don't parrot his words.

Do you obey your bosses' commands or just repeat back what he tells you to do?

Now you know how Jesus feels....

 

[Truther]

I am saying Peter said believing in Him is for the remission of sins to the Gentiles and he said the same thing to the Jews that crucified Him in unbelief when he said to repent, hence by believing in Him. That is how the Jews had actually received the remission of sins too.

Acts 10:43 does not debunk Acts 2:38 when rightly dividing the word of truth, otherwise, Peter lied directly to the Gentiles about how they were to receive that remission od sins which Peter plainly said it was by believing in Him with nary a mention of water baptism for that cause and effect.

Since there is only one gospel, it is you that is misunderstanding how that remission of sins was coming to the Jews and it was not by water baptism but by repenting from unbelief by believing in Him.

It is a hard thing to accept when churches has taught us wrong, but that is how we get to the truth in His words by aligning scripture with Jesus's help.

Here is your Acts 2:38 buster show exposed...


38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost....

47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord....


No long theological explanations.

No denial.

Just simply harmonizing the passages.

Try it.

 

[JohnPaul]

I was Baptized in the Catholic church a few days after my birth, so I have been saved since the beginning and have always stayed with God and Christ, now I gave up the Catholic Church but once Baptized always Baptized unless a person gives up his belief in God and Christ.

 

[Truther]

I was Baptized in the Catholic church a few days after my birth, so I have been saved since the beginning and have always stayed with God and Christ, now I gave up the Catholic Church but once Baptized always Baptized unless a person gives up his belief in God and Christ.

Did you repent first per Acts 2:38?

If not, you were involuntarily, unscripturally sprayed with your first shower.

Obey Acts 2:38 like the 3000 at Pentecost did and denounce the RCC.

 

[Phoneman777]

do you think everyone listening repented?? No. So if 3000 did repent, how many more didnt? We arent told, but given the fact that many times we are told few will be saved, that 3000 was not the majority of the crowds. We are told esau seeked repentance, but couldnt find it, pharoah was given many opportunities to repent, but he did not in spite of what he saw. Unless God grants you repentance, you cant find it.

We mustn't discount "searing the conscience with a hot iron". Esau couldn't find repentance, not because God didn't provide opportunity, but because he blinded himself to it by searing his conscience through steadfast rebellion.

Paul says "quench not the spirit". When a thirst is "quenched", the result is that we don't feel thirsty anymore. When Esau quenched the Spirit, he ceased to feel his need for God. The only reason he was sorry was for temporal loss, not for dishonoring God.

 

[Phoneman777]

I think not. "Those who endure shall be saved" is just another way of saying thise who have faith.
Those whose "love will wax cold" were never saved.

These "many" can be none other than grace-saved saints and the evidence is right there in verse 12.

These saints allowed abounding iniquity to kill their love cold and dead, making them even more spit-worthy from Jesus' mouth than the rejected Laodiceans who are merely lukewarm.

 

[mailmandan]

In 1 Peter 3:21, Peter tells us that baptism now saves you, yet when Peter uses this phrase he continues in the same sentence to explain exactly what he means by it. He said that baptism now saves you-not the removal of dirt from the flesh (that is, not as an outward, physical act which washes dirt from the body--that is not what saves you), "but an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ" (that is, as an inward, spiritual transaction between God and the individual, a transaction that is symbolized by the outward ceremony of water baptism).

*Just as the eight people in the ark were "saved THROUGH water" as they were IN THE ARK. They were not literally saved "by" the water. Hebrews 11:7 is clear on this point (..built an ARK for theSAVING of his household). The context reveals that ONLY the righteous (Noah and his family) were DRY and therefore SAFE. In contrast, ONLY the wicked in Noah's day came in contact with the water and they all perished.

In Acts 2:38, "for the remission of sins" does not refer back to both clauses, "you all repent" and "each one of you be baptized," but refers only to the first. Peter is saying "repent unto the remission of your sins," the same as in Acts 3:19. The clause "each one of you be baptized" is parenthetical. This is exactly what Acts 3:19 teaches except that Peter omits the parenthesis.

*Also compare the fact that these Gentiles in Acts 10:45 received the gift of the Holy Spirit (compare with Acts 2:38 - the gift of the Holy Spirit) and this was BEFORE water baptism. (Acts 10:47)

In Acts 10:43 we read ..whoever believes in Him receives remission of sins. Again, these Gentiles received the gift of the Holy Spirit - Acts 10:45 - when they believed on the Lord Jesus Christ - Acts 11:17 - (compare with Acts 16:31 - Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved) BEFORE water baptism - Acts 10:47. This is referred to as repentance unto life - Acts 11:18.

*So the only logical conclusion when properly harmonizing scripture with scripture is that faith in Jesus Christ implied in genuine repentance (rather than water baptism) brings the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit. (Luke 24:47; Acts 2:38; 3:19; 5:31; 10:43-47; 11:17,18; 15:8,9; 16:31; 26:18) *Perfect Harmony*

 

[Christ4Me]

The Galatians began by believing in Jesus...they did not continue to believe in Jesus. "If ye continue in My word, ye are My disciples in deed". They didn't continue "in" His word, and thus were seduced by satanic deception. Therefore, there's no difference in "believing in" and "believing" Jesus.

The point I'm addressing is this prevailing church sentiment that all we need to do is "believe" which is a veiled assault against Christian Obligation/Duty/Reasonable Service, or whatever we choose to call it.

Again, if we are to be believers in Jesus at all, we must believe in all that He said.

The difference here is what we are believing in Him or believing Him about rests on. Salvation which is without works so we can say He has saved us and that Jesus Christ is the Good News to man?

Or are we confusing discipleship with salvation as if we are to believe in Him as our Good Shepherd to help us to follow Him thus placing that belief on us by doing works to prove we are saved? Discipleship proves we are abiding in Him & His words in being fruitful as His disciples; and these be the ones we should feel free to have fellowship with whereas those who do not follow Him are the ones we are to correct, and if unrepentant, then shun.

Paul addressed the falling away from the faith in the latter days as that was to happen first before He appears for the gathering ( the rapture ) in 2 Thessalonians 3:1-3 as that was to happen first before the great tribulation and that son of perdition event.

Paul said that this iniquity was happening even in his day per 2 Thessalonians 2:7 before mentioning that son of perdition in verse 8 before jumping back to describing what that iniquity was; saved believers believing the lie that they can receive the Holy Spirit again apart from salvation after a sign. Thus what was taken out of the way, the restraining part of the Holy Spirit in verse 7 and be discern with Him and applied as for why & how God would permit the strong delusion to occur for when saved believers believe that lie.

We can know that is the iniquity spoken of when in 2 Thessalonians 2:13-15 Paul reminds them of the tradition taught of us of when we had received the sanctification of the Spirit and the belief of the truth at the calling of the gospel which exposes the lie of thinking they can receive the Holy Spirit again apart from salvation.

So Paul goes on to address those disorderly believers that departed from faith and that no longer walk after the traditions taught of us in how with the Lord's help as in touching us, we are commanded by the Lord to withdraw from them per 2 Thessalonians 3:1-7 and yet we are to do so, not to treat them as the enemy, but admonish them as brothers still because they are still His and thus still saved; 2 Thessalonians 3:14-15

One may see with His help how the parable of the ten virgins apply to them for being out to the market seeking to be filled with oil ( Holy Spirit ) was why they were not ready but yet the foolish were still part of that kingdom of heaven, even though they were denied the wedding receptions for not being ready because they were in that iniquity that denied Him as always being Spirit filled since salvation. Matthew 9:17 & John 6:35

Anyway, as you may see, we cannot judge anyone as not a true believer when they have been bought & sealed as His.

1 Corinthians 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

There is a danger of denying Him by how we judge others when the Lord had bought them even though that can also be done by heresy too.

2 Peter 2:1But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

We can mark false teachers to warn others by, but not judged them as unsaved or not a true believer.

 

[Phoneman777]

I believe that verse applies to this life, not the next.

Me too. It means the Just Man who doesn't cover his sins, but confesses and forsakes them is covered by God's mercy. As he treads the Path of the Just, he may slip and fall into sin, but cries out for God's mercy to reach down and lift him up and place him back on the path.

The Presumptuous Man climbs down, gets comfortable, swats away Jesus' hand, and waves his OSAS License to Sin in his face. He covers his habitual, known sin with presumption, and will split hell wide open.

 

[Titus]

your doctrine is terrible. Baptism doesnt save, and regeneration comes before faith. It is because of regeneration that the gospel will change you. Also, the Holy Spirit works with the gospel. If a person hears the gospel, feels convicted, that is the Holy Spirit working in them. There are those who hear the gospel, yet dont believe/dont feel convicted. Why?? Why did pharoah not listen to moses?? God hardens the hearts of the non-elect, like pharoah.

this is my confessional that us presbyterians use. I HIGHLY recommend reading it as it will answer any question you have.

Confession of Faith: The Orthodox Presbyterian Church

FOR THE LAST TIME, I DO NOT HAVE A DOCTRINE. I follow the doctrine of Christ.

regeneration comes before faith

Since regeneration biblically defined means born again, i.e. saved
You have salvation before faith!
Salvation before hearing the gospel!
Salvation before believing the gosprl!
Salvation before knowing anything about the Bible.

According to your regeneration before coming to faith in Christ,
(btw, we come to faith by first hearing the gospel, Romans 10:17
Which is a contradiction to your coming to faith without ever hearing the gospel)
No one needs the gospel to be saved in your churches doctrine.
Saved before faith removes, excludes, eliminates all the saving power from the gospel,
Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the GOSPEL of Christ FOR IT IS THE POWER OF GOD TO SALVATION for the jew first and also for the greek.

Now read the very next verse. This verse disproves we are regenerated before hearing and believing the gospel.
Verse 17 FOR IN IT THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD IS REVEALED FROM FAITH TO FAITH; as it is WRITTEN THE JUST SHALL LIVE BY FAITH.
Is Gods righteousness revealed to us before we learn the gospel or after?
According to Paul, Gods righteousness is revealed to us IN the gospel.
Never before the gospel, never outside the gospel.
I follow the doctrine of Jesus Christ. IN it is the power to save,

 

[Phoneman777]

I am KJVO. Glad you are also.

I stopped inspecting others' fruit years ago and found a full time job inspecting my own;).

I'm a "Textus Receptus Only" Christian LOL I have ZERO faith in the Alexandrian or the Western MSS families: can we trust anything that came out of Alexandria, the very capital of satanic occultism itself, or the Western (Roman Catholic) family where after 2,000 years, Catholicism still can't even get right the most fundamental of all Christian doctrines - salvation by grace through faith alone?

BTW, it may come as a shock to you, but you are guilty of hatred for your brother which is murder, "and ye know no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him". How so?

Because Leviticus 19:17 KJV says if we fail to rebuke our brothers of their sin, WE HATE THEM. If you care about me at all, you'll slap me upside the head if I begin to backslide, right or wrong?

 

[Christ4Me]

Here's what I read in Scripture:

1. Romans 2:6 KJV plainly says God "leadeth thee to repentance".

Typo I guess, but you meant Romans 2:4 but in context, after having been saved, we are led to live a life of repentance as His disciples which is what running that race is all about by looking to Him to help us lay aside every weight & sin daily ( Hebrews 12:1-2 ) & not be a hypocrite by not repenting at all when teaching or correcting others to repent.

Romans 2:1 Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things. 2 But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things. 3 And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?

4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; 6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds: 7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: 8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, 9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; 10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: 11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

The beginning of verse 4 testifies that the hypocrites are saved but despising what was done in having saved them.

Those who partake of the firstfruits of the resurrection will be like the angels that never die and never marry, vessels of gold & silver, while the vessels unto dishonor are the vessels of wood & earth that the power of the second death will not be over them which means the first death still isas they will marry and raise up the generations in serving the King of kings during the 1000 year reign from all over the world as they will need to eat from the tree of life in that city of God on earth for the healing of the nations.

When you consider how God will judge others by what was built on that foundation as any heresy that denies Him, ( Titus 1:16 ) is defiling the temple of God for why He will destroy that temple with physical death.

1 Corinthians 3:10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. 11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;

13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.

15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. 16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? 17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

So the warning in Romans 2:5-11 to believers, Jews and Gentiles, are the same as they can be left behind to die, tying in with that church at Revelation 2:18-26 but their spirits will be with the Lord awaiting for the resurrection after the great tribulation, not as vessels unto honor, vessels of gold & silver, but vessels unto dishonor for not departing from iniquity, vessels of wood & earth but still In His House. 2 Timothy 2:18-21

2 Corinthians 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight:) 8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. 9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him. 10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. 11 Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.

So discipleship is separate from salvation just as running that race is not for salvation but the high prize of our calling to be that vessel unto honor in His House, the vessels of good and silver that are like the angels that never die and never marry which is the eternal glory that comes with our salvation in Christ Jesus. If we run that race to obtain salvation by, then we deny Him as our Savior when we are saved, thus denying the Lord when He has bought us.