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After it is made clear in Matthew that Jesus regarded God as the only proper object of worship (proskuneo), it is striking that Jesus appears so frequently in the same Gospel to be the object of worship (2:2, 11; 8:2; 9:18; 14:33; 15:25; 20:20; 28:9, 17), even if in the immediate situation the act is sometimes only a token of humble respect.

Not only did human beings worship Jesus when he was here on earth, but all of God's angels are required to worship him. According to the book of Hebrews, "And again, when he brings the firstborn into the world, he says, `Let all God's angels worship him"' (1:6). This statement is very difficult to explain away as meaning something less than worship given to God. is very difficult to explain away as meaning something less than worship given to God.

Regardless of whether Psalm 97:7 or Deuteronomy 32:43 (or Odes 2:43) is the text quoted in Hebrews 1:6, the text refers to the worship of the Lord God. In Psalm 97:7-9 the psalmist is shaming those who worship idols and telling the "gods" to worship the Lord who is exalted far above them. Since both texts in context are speaking of angels as giving worship to the Lord God, the writer of Hebrews, in applying his quotation to Jesus, is affirming that God commanded his angels to worship Jesus.

If angels, who are supernatural beings vastly more powerful than we are, worship Jesus Christ, then certainly we human beings should worship him as well. Indeed, eventually everyone will worship him: "At the name of Jesus every knee should bend, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father" (Phil. 2:10,11). As Paul says, giving Jesus this divine honor in no way detracts from the glory of God. Indeed, to withhold such worship, when God has commanded it, is to disrespect God.

"Nobody can call himself a Christian who does not worship Jesus. To worship him, if he is not God, is idolatry; to withhold worship from him, if he is, is disobedience."

The action of the elders in worshiping God and Christ is representative of all of those assembled and participating in the doxology-which was "every created thing which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all things in them" (v. 13). The passage thus envisions heavenly and earthly creatures, by the myriads (v. 11), bowing down before God and Christ.

The Lamb receives worship along with God, shares his throne, and is sharply distinguished from all of God's creatures as the only one worthy of such adoration. as Peter Carrell notes in his dissertation on Jesus and angels in the book of Revelation, "Jesus is bound with God in such a manner that together they form a single object of worship.... No encouragement is given to those inclined to believe Jesus to be a second god. Rather, there is a strict adherence to monotheism-but a monotheism which allows for Jesus to be included with God as the object of worship and which envisages Jesus sharing the divine throne with God."

Twice toward the end of the book of Revelation, John fell at the feet of the angel who was speaking to him so as to worship him. The angel responded by reproving John: "Do not do that; I am a fellow servant ... worship God" (Rev. 19:10; cf. 22:8-9). These statements by the angel refute the claim that it was acceptable to worship or bow before an angel who was acting as a representative of God.
 

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That raises a big p4oble for JWs as they maintain Jesus is a God and that he is also Michael!
It raises a problem for the RCC with there obsessive worship of Mary.
 
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After it is made clear in Matthew that Jesus regarded God as the only proper object of worship (proskuneo), it is striking that Jesus appears so frequently in the same Gospel to be the object of worship (2:2, 11; 8:2; 9:18; 14:33; 15:25; 20:20; 28:9, 17), even if in the immediate situation the act is sometimes only a token of humble respect.

Not only did human beings worship Jesus when he was here on earth, but all of God's angels are required to worship him. According to the book of Hebrews, "And again, when he brings the firstborn into the world, he says, `Let all God's angels worship him"' (1:6). This statement is very difficult to explain away as meaning something less than worship given to God. is very difficult to explain away as meaning something less than worship given to God.

Regardless of whether Psalm 97:7 or Deuteronomy 32:43 (or Odes 2:43) is the text quoted in Hebrews 1:6, the text refers to the worship of the Lord God. In Psalm 97:7-9 the psalmist is shaming those who worship idols and telling the "gods" to worship the Lord who is exalted far above them. Since both texts in context are speaking of angels as giving worship to the Lord God, the writer of Hebrews, in applying his quotation to Jesus, is affirming that God commanded his angels to worship Jesus.

If angels, who are supernatural beings vastly more powerful than we are, worship Jesus Christ, then certainly we human beings should worship him as well. Indeed, eventually everyone will worship him: "At the name of Jesus every knee should bend, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father" (Phil. 2:10,11). As Paul says, giving Jesus this divine honor in no way detracts from the glory of God. Indeed, to withhold such worship, when God has commanded it, is to disrespect God.

"Nobody can call himself a Christian who does not worship Jesus. To worship him, if he is not God, is idolatry; to withhold worship from him, if he is, is disobedience."

The action of the elders in worshiping God and Christ is representative of all of those assembled and participating in the doxology-which was "every created thing which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all things in them" (v. 13). The passage thus envisions heavenly and earthly creatures, by the myriads (v. 11), bowing down before God and Christ.

The Lamb receives worship along with God, shares his throne, and is sharply distinguished from all of God's creatures as the only one worthy of such adoration. as Peter Carrell notes in his dissertation on Jesus and angels in the book of Revelation, "Jesus is bound with God in such a manner that together they form a single object of worship.... No encouragement is given to those inclined to believe Jesus to be a second god. Rather, there is a strict adherence to monotheism-but a monotheism which allows for Jesus to be included with God as the object of worship and which envisages Jesus sharing the divine throne with God."

Twice toward the end of the book of Revelation, John fell at the feet of the angel who was speaking to him so as to worship him. The angel responded by reproving John: "Do not do that; I am a fellow servant ... worship God" (Rev. 19:10; cf. 22:8-9). These statements by the angel refute the claim that it was acceptable to worship or bow before an angel who was acting as a representative of God.
John 16:13 When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come.
John 16:14 He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you.

If the Holy Spirit glorifies Jesus, why should not we?
 
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After it is made clear in Matthew that Jesus regarded God as the only proper object of worship (proskuneo), it is striking that Jesus appears so frequently in the same Gospel to be the object of worship (2:2, 11; 8:2; 9:18; 14:33; 15:25; 20:20; 28:9, 17), even if in the immediate situation the act is sometimes only a token of humble respect.
This is a back door rationalization. Not sure of the motive to disregard the Lord’s teachings.

If I tell my daughter to brush her teeth before bed, that’s the command to follow. End of story. That it is not recorded that I did not rebuke others for not brushing their teeth before they went to bed is besides the point.

Another appropriate analogy. A gastro-intestinal specialist diagnosed my condition. Several ignorant in medicine suspect another cause. Let’s disregard the specialists diagnosis in favor of the ignoramus’. The specialist did not hunt down, sue the ignoramus’ for practicing medicine without a license and kill their entire family. So, that means the specialist realizes their diagnosis is right and his is wrong.

Back door rationalization. Makes no sense.
 
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This is a back door rationalization. Not sure of the motive to disregard the Lord’s teachings.

If I tell my daughter to brush her teeth before bed, that’s the command to follow. End of story. That it is not recorded that I did not rebuke others for not brushing their teeth before they went to bed is besides the point.

Another appropriate analogy. A gastro-intestinal specialist diagnosed my condition. Several ignorant in medicine suspect another cause. Let’s disregard the specialists diagnosis in favor of the ignoramus’. The specialist did not hunt down, sue the ignoramus’ for practicing medicine without a license and kill their entire family. So, that means the specialist realizes their diagnosis is right and his is wrong.

Back door rationalization. Makes no sense.
Sorry Wrangler, I have absolutely no idea what you are saying.
 
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Sorry Wrangler, I have absolutely no idea what you are saying.
Doesn’t surprise me.

You reject Christ’s teachings to rely on your own understanding.

If angels, who are supernatural beings vastly more powerful than we are, worship Jesus Christ, then certainly we human beings should worship him as well.
 
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Can you tell me where I reject Christ's teachings.

Jesus regarded God as the only proper object of worship (proskuneo)
More than that, our Lord specifically taught us to pray to the only true God, the Father. Therefore, there is no possible way to construe Christ’s teachings as meaning we ought to worship and pray to a trinitarian god or to him - only God the Father.
 

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John 20:28
28 And Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!"

Amen Thomas! Jesus is my God too!
 
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More than that, our Lord specifically taught us to pray to the only true God, the Father. Therefore, there is no possible way to construe Christ’s teachings as meaning we ought to worship and pray to a trinitarian god or to him - only God the Father.
Wrangler, it is hard to take you seriously based on your response above. Do you have any idea what the Trinity is? We don't pray to Jesus or to the Holy Spirit, just to the Father.
 

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Wrangler, it is hard to take you seriously based on your response above. Do you have any idea what the Trinity is? We don't pray to Jesus or to the Holy Spirit, just to the Father.
NOTE: Your reply side steps the whole point that the Father is the only true God, according to Jesus. Why would you worship anyone other than God?

Parsing who to pray to from who to worship is absurd. But that is trinitarianism for you. At least you imply acknowledging the absurdity.

Not sure what you have difficulty taking seriously.
 
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Worship of Christ

After it is made clear in Matthew that Jesus regarded God as the only proper object of worship (proskuneo), it is striking that Jesus appears so frequently in the same Gospel to be the object of worship (2:2, 11; 8:2; 9:18; 14:33; 15:25; 20:20; 28:9, 17), even if in the immediate situation the act is sometimes only a token of humble respect.

Not only did human beings worship Jesus when he was here on earth, but all of God's angels are required to worship him. According to the book of Hebrews, "And again, when he brings the firstborn into the world, he says, `Let all God's angels worship him"' (1:6). This statement is very difficult to explain away as meaning something less than worship given to God. is very difficult to explain away as meaning something less than worship given to God.

Regardless of whether Psalm 97:7 or Deuteronomy 32:43 (or Odes 2:43) is the text quoted in Hebrews 1:6, the text refers to the worship of the Lord God. In Psalm 97:7-9 the psalmist is shaming those who worship idols and telling the "gods" to worship the Lord who is exalted far above them. Since both texts in context are speaking of angels as giving worship to the Lord God, the writer of Hebrews, in applying his quotation to Jesus, is affirming that God commanded his angels to worship Jesus.

If angels, who are supernatural beings vastly more powerful than we are, worship Jesus Christ, then certainly we human beings should worship him as well. Indeed, eventually everyone will worship him: "At the name of Jesus every knee should bend, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father" (Phil. 2:10,11). As Paul says, giving Jesus this divine honor in no way detracts from the glory of God. Indeed, to withhold such worship, when God has commanded it, is to disrespect God.

"Nobody can call himself a Christian who does not worship Jesus. To worship him, if he is not God, is idolatry; to withhold worship from him, if he is, is disobedience."

The action of the elders in worshiping God and Christ is representative of all of those assembled and participating in the doxology-which was "every created thing which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all things in them" (v. 13). The passage thus envisions heavenly and earthly creatures, by the myriads (v. 11), bowing down before God and Christ.

The Lamb receives worship along with God, shares his throne, and is sharply distinguished from all of God's creatures as the only one worthy of such adoration. as Peter Carrell notes in his dissertation on Jesus and angels in the book of Revelation, "Jesus is bound with God in such a manner that together they form a single object of worship.... No encouragement is given to those inclined to believe Jesus to be a second god. Rather, there is a strict adherence to monotheism-but a monotheism which allows for Jesus to be included with God as the object of worship and which envisages Jesus sharing the divine throne with God."

Twice toward the end of the book of Revelation, John fell at the feet of the angel who was speaking to him so as to worship him. The angel responded by reproving John: "Do not do that; I am a fellow servant ... worship God" (Rev. 19:10; cf. 22:8-9). These statements by the angel refute the claim that it was acceptable to worship or bow before an angel who was acting as a representative of God.
Do we worship Jesus the way Pagans worship their gods? ie, because we feel it's the right thing to do (obligation) or to gain a favour but with no emotional connection? Do we give lip service then forget as soon as the 'ritual' is over?
Do we debate religion because we want it proved we are right? .....or, is it because he is the lover of our souls; because we find him so attractive we can't refrain from sharing his generosity with those around us?

The subjects we speak of (circle around to regularly) reveal how and where our heart is wired. We are an open book to those who can read.

It is just as easy to make a 'graven' image of Jesus as it is a block of wood; just as easy to fall in love with a car or an ideology or a football team because it suits our subjective tastes.
People will die for an ideology or an Emperor in the right circumstances but does that mean they are locked onto and have hope of LIFE?
 
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"John 20:28
28 And Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!"

Amen Thomas! Jesus is my God too!"
 

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“My” god is not the claim of being THE only true God of the Bible, YHWH, who we relate to as father.
Dare I say, LOL.

Jesus is not my God....my God is my Spirit Father God...not Jesus, he was sent by the Father to do his will and he did it like no other...Praise God for sending his only Son, so that we may have life in the Spirit..

No one can come to The Father except through the name of Jesus Gods Son.
 
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“My” god is not the claim of being THE only true God of the Bible, YHWH, who we relate to as father.
I don't know of any English translation that says "my god". They say "my God". Obviously Thomas was calling Jesus God.
 

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Dare I say, LOL.

Jesus is not my God....my God is my Spirit Father God...not Jesus, he was sent by the Father to do his will and he did it like no other...Praise God for sending his only Son, so that we may have life in the Spirit..

No one can come to The Father except through the name of Jesus Gods Son.
Jesus is my God!

Hebrews 1:6-10
6 But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says: "Let all the angels of God worship Him." ...
8 But to the Son He says: "Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your Kingdom.
9 You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You With the oil of gladness more than Your companions."10 And: "You, LORD, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth, And the heavens are the work of Your hands.
 

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Jesus is my God!

Good for you...Jesus ain’t my God, he is my Brother..

Hebrews 2:11-18The Passion Translation (TPT) Jesus, the Holy One, makes us holy. And as sons and daughters, we now belong to his same Father, so he is not ashamed or embarrassed to introduce us as his brothers and sisters!

My Spirit Father is God....His Name ain’t Jesus...Jesus has been exalted by His Father, His Name is Above all other names....but, he ain’t God.
Hebrews 1:6-10
6 But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says: "Let all the angels of God worship Him." ...
8 But to the Son He says: "Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your Kingdom.
9 You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You With the oil of gladness more than Your companions."10 And: "You, LORD, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth, And the heavens are the work of Your hands.
nowhere in that scripture does it say that a Born Again worships Jesus..

A Born Again worships The Father and only the Father...there is only one God and he resides in heaven...the fullness of God , man cannot see....Jesus sits at the right hand of his Father.

Jesus answered him, “The first of all the commandments is: 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength. ' This is the first commandment

Exodus 20:3-5​

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3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;


My testimony and belief.
 
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Good for you...Jesus ain’t my God, he is my Brother..

Hebrews 1:6-10
6 But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says: "Let all the angels of God worship Him." ...
8 But to the Son He says: "Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your Kingdom.
9 You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You With the oil of gladness more than Your companions."10 And: "You, LORD, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth, And the heavens are the work of Your hands.
 
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