Will you be caught up in the rapture or left-behind??

[The Light]

Noah began the entering in and had 7 days to finish it per God's command to get all in the ark. At the end of 7 days, it was finished and the selfsame day it rained, Noah entered and was shut in. He was not shut in 7 days prior. He was able to freely go in and out as he had 7 days before the wrath came to get all inside.

This is why I wrote my thoughts on it and I showed you multiple other sources on as well. They all confirm he entered on the same day it rained and the flood came.

This is out of the blue letter Bible which give you a new paragraph in Genesis 13. The statement in Genesis 12 is the conclusion of the previous verses. The conclusion is that there is rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights.

Genesis 7
12 And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights.
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Gen 7:13
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In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark;

14 They, and every beast after his kind, and all the cattle after their kind, and every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind, and every fowl after his kind, every bird of every sort.

So you are taking a verse that is a new paragraph and using it in the previous paragraph as the conclusion, which is incorrect.

Secondly, verse 13 and 14 is telling you that Noah, his family, and ALL OF THE ANIMALS entered the ark in the selfsame day. That day is the day that they were instructed to enter the ark, not the day of the flood.

Here we can clearly see that Noah and the animals entered the ark and 7 days later the flood was upon the earth.

Genesis 7
9 There went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded Noah.

10 And it came to pass after seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth.

This is also proven by Christ own words. In Luke 17, Christ says,

26And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. 27They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.

The Word says that they did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

The Word says absolutely nothing whatsoever about the flood coming the day Noah entered the ark. All the Word says is that the flood came, which it did.

However, by reading Genesis 7 we can see that Noah entered the ark 7 days before the flood.

Christ demonstrates that up to the day Noah entered and the flood came and he links it to Lot.

28Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; 29But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. 30Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

Why would Christ link them if they were different? The point is, he tells us the same day Lot went out, it rained destruction and it will be that same thing in the day the son of man is revealed. But you say no, its 7 days before. Christ says it's just like Lot, its the same day. And he linked it to Noah.

Years ago, I would have agreed with you. I would have read the Word the same way. But when we look deeper we can see what is really being said.

The Lord says when He comes it will be like the days of Noah. We know from reading Genesis 7 that Noah is in the ark 7 days before the flood. So the Lord comes 7 days before destruction for the Church, days being years.

Then the Word says, LIKEWISE ALSO.

He also comes the very day He is revealed.................. But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. 30Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

He is coming again at the 6th seal, the day He is revealed. He comes for the second harvest, the fruit harvest. He remains in the clouds and sends His angels to gather the elect from heaven and earth. Then the wrath of God begins. Jesus does not return to the earth until the end of wrath when He comes with the armies of Heaven to Armageddon, which happens before the 7th trumpet.

Now you can disagree with me, but you are also disagreeing with multiple other sources and have to explain why Christ said it was the same day as Lot and you confess it's not the same day but 7 days before for Lot and Noah's account of how destruction happens identically in both analogies.

It does not matter who or how many I am disagreeing with. It only matters who is correct. I think I explained above why Jesus gave the examples of Noah and Lot. He gave them because the fig tree has two harvests. One harvest it will be like the days of Noah where Noah is in the ark 7 days before the flood and one harvest it will be like the days of Lot where the very day Lot left Sodom destruction came. There is a reason there is a grain and a fruit harvest. There is a reason Jacob had two brides.

This kind of comment causes division. There is no point for it but to stir up others to anger as an insult and is arrogant. No point for it in Christian circles.

Looking through all the different topics of this board, pages and pages who do you think is called follower of Satan, those that believe in a pretrib rapture or those that don't believe in a pre trib rapture? Which group is called LIARS the majority of the time. If you have an issue with me saying you should study more, you would not do well as a pretribber. I have enjoyed discussing these things with you, I do apologize if you took offense to my comment brother.

 

[The Light]

Where do you read that after the fullness of the Gentiles come in, blindness in part is removed from Israel? In Ro 9 Paul writes those counted as Israel who shall be saved are not ethnic Jews, but spiritual children of the promise that come through the Seed (Christ) that is of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Not all ethnic Israel, but spiritually Israel of God, which is both Jew of faith and Gentile of faith grafted in to the same good olive tree together.

Romans 11:25-27 (KJV) For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

Romans 9:6-8 (KJV) Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

Galatians 6:15-16 (KJV) For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature. And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.

Paul never indicates the blindness that is in part shall be removed. He tells us that "all Israel that shall be saved" shall be both Jews of faith and Gentiles of faith together with them. How could Paul be speaking of ethnic Israel in this passage and at the same time say the fullness of Israel comes when Gentiles are grafted in with them?

Yes we are all Israel. And yet, there is a timing of events that seems lost by many.

Romans 11
7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.

8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.

9 And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:

10 Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.

11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.

12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?

13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:

14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.

15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?

16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.

17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.

19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.

20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

It will be the Gentiles that will be the 1st harvest. It is the 12 tribes across the earth, the seed of the woman Israel that will be the second harvest. It's all about timing.

 

[07-07-07]

I have told you multiple times. Noah is in the ark 7 days before the flood.

Interesting analogy, a type and shadow.

The Church is in heaven before the seals are ever opened. See Revelation 4 and 5.

Again, interesting analogy, a type and shadow.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Well, yes of course. If the Word says it, why wouldn't I believe it. First off Jesus returns for the Chuch BEFORE the seals are opened. See Revelation 4 and 5. The is the grain harvest. The dead in Christ being the barley harvest and then Lord returning for the alive that remain is the wheat harvest.

If the Word said it I would believe it! but it doesn't so I don't!

YOu have so allegorized the Scriptures as to make them meaningless.

Jesus comes for the Church before the seals are opened. Jesus comes for the seed of the woman, the twelve tribes across the earth at the 6th seal. Only the nation of Israel, those that have fled to the place of protection and unbelievers will be on earth during the wrath of God.

So you have Jesus returning to earth at the sixth seal. which is described in REv. 19 after the 7th seal which introduces the trumpets and the 7th trumpet which introduces the vials! Wow so I guess to you Jesus return in chapter 19 actually takes place in the events told in Chapter 6! How can anyone discuss truth with someone who has so muddied the Word of God?????

 

[No Pre-TB]

So you are taking a verse that is a new paragraph and using it in the previous paragraph as the conclusion, which is incorrect.

Many believers who are theologians disagree. A critical analysis of it proves otherwise. As I showed earlier, Christ even said Lot was removed to safety on the same day destruction happened and he finished it with so will it be when the son of is revealed. He links that to Noah. It is not just people are going about their daily business and not watching when destruction happens, but it is also how it happened.

Let me ask you this, when was Noah shut in? When was the door to the ark secured? 7 days before or the day the flood came?

Looking through all the different topics of this board, pages and pages who do you think is called follower of Satan, those that believe in a pretrib rapture or those that don't believe in a pre trib rapture?

I don't judge self-professed believers. And I cannot see their (people on forum's) fruit in life, only their words. Being Pre-TB doesn't make someone a follower of Satan. I don't know where you get that from.

If you have an issue with me saying you should study more, you would not do well as a pretribber.

There is a difference to being polite than being rude. It is one thing to hear it from a non-believer that is in darkness, another to hear it from someone who says they identify as Christian. Sometimes it's better to hold the tongue.

 

[No Pre-TB]

It will be the Gentiles that will be the 1st harvest. It is the 12 tribes across the earth, the seed of the woman Israel that will be the second harvest. It's all about timing.

Where in Matthew 13 does Christ say there are 2 harvests?

37He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; 38The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; 39The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. 40As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. 41The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; 42And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

 

[rwb]

Yes we are all Israel. And yet, there is a timing of events that seems lost by many.

Romans 11
7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.

8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.

9 And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:

10 Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.

11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.

12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?

13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:

14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.

15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?

16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.

17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.

19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.

20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

It will be the Gentiles that will be the 1st harvest. It is the 12 tribes across the earth, the seed of the woman Israel that will be the second harvest. It's all about timing.

You did not answer my question: "Where do you read that after the fullness of the Gentiles come in, blindness in part is removed from Israel? " This passage from Romans 11 does not support the conclusion you've drawn. There will be only ONE harvest at the end of this age/world when the seventh angel sounds that time shall be no longer. At that time the just will be resurrected to life and the unjust resurrected to condemnation.

 

[The Light]

You did not answer my question: "Where do you read that after the fullness of the Gentiles come in, blindness in part is removed from Israel? " This passage from Romans 11 does not support the conclusion you've drawn.

Romans 11
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

Seems fully supported to me.

There will be only ONE harvest at the end of this age/world when the seventh angel sounds that time shall be no longer. At that time the just will be resurrected to life and the unjust resurrected to condemnation.

There are TWO harvests.
The first harvest is the grain harvest which is made up of barley and wheat. The dead in Christ is the barley harvest. Then Christ will return for the wheat harvest and gather the alive that remained.

Here is the spring barley harvest.

Song of Solomon 2
8 The voice of my beloved! behold, he cometh leaping upon the mountains, skipping upon the hills.

9 My beloved is like a roe or a young hart: behold, he standeth behind our wall, he looketh forth at the windows, shewing himself through the lattice.

10 My beloved spake, and said unto me, Rise up, my love, my fair one, and come away.

11 For, lo, the winter is past, the rain is over and gone;

12 The flowers appear on the earth; the time of the singing of birds is come, and the voice of the turtle is heard in our land;

Here is the summer wheat harvest

Song of Solomon
13 The fig tree putteth forth her green figs, and the vines with the tender grape give a good smell. Arise, my love, my fair one, and come away.

14 O my dove, that art in the clefts of the rock, in the secret places of the stairs, let me see thy countenance, let me hear thy voice; for sweet is thy voice, and thy countenance is comely.

Here is the second harvest, the fruit harvest. It occurs at the 6th seal BEFORE the trumpets of wrath and BEFORE the judgement seen at the 7th trumpet.

Revelation 14
14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.

15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.

16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.

17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.

18 And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.

19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.

We can prove these things happen as we see a great multitude in Revelation 7 and Revelation 19. The multitude is before the throne. It is the time of the marriage supper. We return will the Lord as part of the armies of heaven.

All this happens BEFORE the judgement seen in Revelation 11 at the 7th trumpet.

 

[The Light]

Where in Matthew 13 does Christ say there are 2 harvests?

37He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; 38The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; 39The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. 40As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. 41The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; 42And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

The harvest spoken about in Matthew 13 can be found in Revelation 11. It happens after wrath is over, and God has set up His kingdom on earth. The righteous remain on the earth.

Revelation 11
18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Here is the fall fruit harvest that happens at the 6th seal which is before wrath. Notice that the righteous are gathered FIRST. They are gathered and taken to heaven. The unrighteous remain and are cast into the wrath of God.

Revelation 14
14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.

15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.

16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.

17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.

18 And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.

19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.

 

[No Pre-TB]

The harvest spoken about in Matthew 13 can be found in Revelation 11. It happens after wrath is over, and God has set up His kingdom on earth. The righteous remain on the earth.

Revelation 11
18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Here is the fall fruit harvest that happens at the 6th seal which is before wrath. Notice that the righteous are gathered FIRST. They are gathered and taken to heaven. The unrighteous remain and are cast into the wrath of God.

Revelation 14
14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.

15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.

16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.

17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.

18 And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.

19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.

I asked, Where in Matthew 13 does Christ say there are 2 harvests?
You did not answer that. How many harvests are in Matthew 13?

 

[ewq1938]

God didn't kill her.

Yes, he did kill her.

She refused to be rescued.

No, she was in mid-rescue and did not refuse it. She simply looked back.

 

[rwb]

Romans 11
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

Seems fully supported to me.

It must be written with invisible ink??? Because I don't read Paul saying " after the fullness of the Gentiles come in, blindness in part is removed from Israel". That's what you read into the text to promote erroneous doctrine, because Paul nowhere says that.

There are TWO harvests.
The first harvest is the grain harvest which is made up of barley and wheat. The dead in Christ is the barley harvest. Then Christ will return for the wheat harvest and gather the alive that remained.

You appear to be confusing the harvest of ALL souls at the end of this age with the harvest of crops in due season.

 

[rwb]

I asked, Where in Matthew 13 does Christ say there are 2 harvests?
You did not answer that. How many harvests are in Matthew 13?

It seems these questions may be too difficult for him???

 

[The Light]

I asked, Where in Matthew 13 does Christ say there are 2 harvests?
You did not answer that. How many harvests are in Matthew 13?

I answered by showing you that the harvest in Matthew 13 had the tares gathered first. The harvest in Revelation 14 had the righteous gathered first. You think there is one harvest and I showed you two.

 

[The Light]

It seems these questions may be too difficult for him???

No. Not at all. It seems the answers are two difficult. There seems no ability to draw correct conclusions with the facts presented. This seems a common theme among those that do not understand that Church does not go through the tribulation and that the tribulation is the time of Jacobs trouble.

 

[The Light]

It must be written with invisible ink??? Because I don't read Paul saying " after the fullness of the Gentiles come in, blindness in part is removed from Israel". That's what you read into the text to promote erroneous doctrine, because Paul nowhere says that.

Paul warns us not to be ignorant of the this mystery. Somehow, warning and all and it goes right past you.
Romans 11
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

You appear to be confusing the harvest of ALL souls at the end of this age with the harvest of crops in due season.

You appear to think there is ONE harvest and I have shown you two. It's clearly in the Word of God.

 

[The Light]

If the Word said it I would believe it! but it doesn't so I don't!

YOu have so allegorized the Scriptures as to make them meaningless.

To put it simply, if you don't understand God's feast days, you don't understand scripture. Same thing with the Jewish wedding. If you don't understand the Jewish wedding, you are missing much.

So you have Jesus returning to earth at the sixth seal.

No. Absolutely not. I have Jesus returning to the clouds for a harvest at the 6th seal. It is the coming of Jesus in Matthew 24 where He sends His angels to gather the elect from heaven and earth. It is marked by the signs of the sun, moon and stars. If you can't see that Jesus comes at the 6th seal when the signs of the sun, moon and stars tell you He does.............I can't help it.

I'm not sure why there is a problem realizing that Jesus comes at the 6th seal. This is the second coming where Jesus comes to the clouds. This is not the second advent where Jesus comes to the earth.

Matthew 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Revelation 6
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

which is described in REv. 19 after the 7th seal which introduces the trumpets and the 7th trumpet which introduces the vials! Wow so I guess to you Jesus return in chapter 19 actually takes place in the events told in Chapter 6! How can anyone discuss truth with someone who has so muddied the Word of God?????

I never said Jesus coming at the 6th seal is the coming of Jesus in Revelation 19. That is an incorrect conclusion you are making.
It is hard to discuss scripture with me as my views are quite a bit different than most. I know what you know, but you don't know what I know.

There are two raptures. Few understand this. There is a rapture before the seals opened for the Church and there is a rapture at the sixth seal for the seed of the woman, the twelve tribes across the earth. Then wrath occurs. Only those in the nation of Israel that flee to a place of protection and undbelivers go through the wrath of God.

The fig tree has two harvests, Jacob has two brides, there is a grain harvest and a fruit harvest.

Prove me wrong that Jesus comes at the 6th seal and remains in the clouds. It's marked by the signs of the sun, moon and stars which lines up with Matthew 24. The tribulation is over and then the 7th seal is opened and the wrath of God begins.

 

[The Light]

No, you don't get it. It is YOU that is confused and who does not understand Rev properly. The 6th seal only speaks of things happening during the 7th trump. The events of the seals are not happening at the time of the seals being opened. This is why the wrath of God cannot happen at the 6th seal's opening and the 7th trump's sounding.

The sixth seal is the coming of Jesus to the clouds for a harvest. The tribulation is over, Jesus comes, there is a harvest, then the wrath of God begins. Everything happens just like it says.

 

[ewq1938]

The sixth seal is the coming of Jesus to the clouds for a harvest. The tribulation is over, Jesus comes, there is a harvest, then the wrath of God begins. Everything happens just like it says.

Correction:

The 7th trump is the coming of Jesus to the clouds for a harvest. The tribulation is over, Jesus comes, there is a harvest, then the wrath of God begins. Everything happens just like it says. The 6th seal gives us a prophetic glimpse of that day from the perspective of the unsaved.

 

[n2thelight]

Those in verse 11 are not raptured because they are killed during the Great Tribulation. Are you not expecting people to die during the Great Tribulation?

The Church is already in heaven prior to this event. See Revelation 4 and 5. Those killed during the Great Tribulation are mostly of the twelve tribes, the seed of the woman.

Revelation 12
17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

The Lord is getting ready to open the door. If you are not aware of that, you are not watching as we are instructed.

Matthew 24
42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

Where is a gathering back to Christ in Rev 4 and 5 ?

You quote Matthew 24 , yet you ignore Christ clearly saying He comes after the tribulation