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No Origin Story - Sorry J....nice try though ;)
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So you have 95% pass mark J.
Brother, we may have had our disagreements in the past, but right now, we’re focusing on discussing Scripture-not personal opinions, not F2F or Johann. Whether you believe it or not, I’ve mellowed out quite a bit since then.
Because there is no origin story for all the colourful notions people use of angels falling, they are at a loss for proving angels can sin. It's a ridiculous subject J. because the Word of God presents them as not being able to sin, or die.
This subject goes to the centre of God's Holiness and How His Ministering Spirits are His Spirit (behold His Face).
I have Scripture that angels CAN sin brother but I don't want to disrupt our friendship.
Is dancing on the head of a pin a sin? Dancing was considered a sin in the Baptist church I attended as a teen.
They don't need wings!...this is another example of man-made notions. Maybe these are strap on? Who knows we entertain them unawares Heb 13:2.Is dancing on the head of a pin a sin? Dancing was considered a sin in the Baptist church I attended as a teen.
Here's one dancing on the head of a bowling pin.
You won't have that problem with Utley-a Texan Baptist pastor.
Ditto.
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So good of you....
Yes. Sorry I missed this.As you wish……
Catholic doctrine, which finds no scriptural support at all…and kept people in ignorance for some 1500 years…..is as follows….
1) The nature of God…..presenting the Almighty as three separate beings who can talk to one another, pray to one another, have a different will to the others, and who can be in three places at once.
He can be his own servant (Acts 4:27) His own apostle and High Priest, (Heb 3:1) as well as his own mediator. (1 Tim 2:5-6)
The Jews did not know such a God and neither did the first Christian….who were all Jewish.
2) The position of Mary in relation to Jesus….Mary is never said to be “the mother of God”, because as an uncreated being, God cannot have a mother. She was not immaculately conceived, nor was she taken to heaven bodily. She was as sinful as any other person born from Adam.
3) There is no immortal soul ever mentioned in the Bible. “Souls” are living, breathing creatures who depend on external means to continue living. All “souls, both animals and humans, depend on oxygen, food and water, which was supplied in abundance by the Creator, along with the “tree of life” which guaranteed that mortal human life could continue indefinitely, as long as they remained obedient. Once sin entered into their lives, the means to grant them unending life (the tree of life) was denied. (Gen 3:22-24)
4) The instrument used to put Christ to death is not called a cross in the Greek Scriptures…it is called a “stauros” which means an upright stake…it doesn’t not mean a cross piece of timber at any angle.…beside which fact, we are told not to make religious images of “anything”. (Ex 20:4-5)
It is a bizarre thing indeed to make an image of the instrument used to put someone you live to death…and venerate it…..yet that is what we see….on church buildings, as jewelry worn around the neck, or on prayer beads.…something else that was missing in the first century…..repetitious prayers.
The Catholic church took idolatry even further and made statues of their objects of veneration, bowing down to them, in complete contradiction to God’s instructions.
5) Infant baptism…this makes a mockery of what baptism signifies…..it is treated as some kind of lucky charm, sprinkling an infant with water and calling it baptism so that it won’t go to hell if it dies…..Nowhere is it even mentioned in the Bible. Jesus was 30 when he was baptized. One must fully understand the significance of baptism and it has to be chosen as a decision of the heart of individuals who have accepted Christ as their savior, and have made the decision themselves to become baptized as such….there is no proxy arrangement.
6) The condition of the dead, (as believed by Jews) was that humans “slept” in death until the promised resurrection, which was a return to life, not a continuation of it in another form….in another realm. (Eccl 9:5, 10) When Jesus raised his friend Lazarus, where did he say Lazarus was? (John 11:11-14)
Death is the opposite of life…..so who was it that suggested that we don’t really die? Wasn’t that the devil’s first lie? He makes people believe that the dead go to either heaven or hell when they die, the Catholic church added “purgatory” but there is no such place mentioned in the Bible.
Since there is no such thing as an immortal soul, we do not have to invent places for them to go….especially not burning in eternal flames as if God were some kind of fiendish torturer…..another satanic lie!
7) Pagan celebrations dressed up as “Christian” events. We are told not to mix true worship with false worship. When Israel tried to do that God punished them. If you remember the golden calf incident, the Israelites coerced Aaron into fashioning their gold into the same kind of god they saw worshipped in Egypt….they called it “a festival to the Lord”, but it was no such thing…it was plainly idolatry. God put the offenders to death. It’s not what you call it…it’s what or whom the original was in honor of……Christmas, Easter, Valentine’s Day, Halloween,……all of pagan origin but celebrated by the whole of Christendom. (2 Cor 6:14-18) God saw the originals….he hated them then…he hates them still.
8) There were no priests officiating in the Christian congregations of the first century. Those congregations had a body of elders who were shepherds of the flock, a role that was never left to just one man.
There were no fancy vestments or headgear, as Jesus himself demonstrated…..he was dressed like his disciples….the reason why Judas had to identify him with a kiss.
9) There were no titles either, just positions of service.
One title that was never to be given to any man was “Father” in the spiritual sense (Matt 23:9)……how is the pope addressed? How are Catholic priests addressed?
Where will I even find a pope in first century Christianity?
“E·piʹsko·pos”, from which the word “bishop” is derived, simply means an overseer. It wasn’t a title denoting a position of authority, but one of responsibility….in the church, “Bishop” and “Archbishop” came to mean men of authority, wielding power over others.
10) Forgiveness of sins was granted on the basis of repentance and the shed blood of Jesus Christ. No man was ever authorized to forgive sins except Jesus, who had no sin. (Luke 5:20-24)
No sinful human being has any sanction from God to hear a confession and offer absolution on the basis of repetitious words, as if God is pleased with such things. Praying to God must come from the heart, not the hands fingering some beads that prompt a repetitious mental response. Where did the rosary come from? Not Christ. Where did “indulgences” come from? Again not Christ.
That will do for now…..but hopefully, you get the picture of why I reject what came from apostate Christianity.….
No….but I was hoping for some scriptural evidence concerning the claim that Catholic doctrine is based on the Bible or the teachings of Christ and his apostles…you see anything outside of scripture is inadmissible.
Please supply the scriptures that back up this claim or it is empty…again, you are in a debate forum so where is your rebuttal? Evidence is needed to back up what you say. It’s not about your opinions.
Five “popes” you say….? Where will I find them in Scripture? Do tell….did they all carry the pagan Roman title of Pontifex Maximus? According to my research, Julius Caesar held this title more than 40 years before Jesus was born. How strange if it was a “Christian” title…..?
There were no “popes” in original Christianity…..nor were there any earthly priests officiating in the congregations. The priesthood of Christ’s apostles and disciples was to be served in heaven…not on earth. (Rev 20:6)
Well, as I said before, this is a debate forum, so if you are not willing to debate, then why are you here?
Perhaps you also need to do this…..just don’t accept your pagan church’s word for anything….they have never preached the truth in their entire existence. When Jesus comes as judge and says to those who profess to be his disciples….”I NEVER KNEW YOU”…he means it. (Matt 7:21-23)
Thanks, @Johann !
